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Word is Mammoth may have to run a 3rd gate of 40 riders in the 2 stroke class next year, They had 2 full gates this year
Or maybe just maybe a 2 stroke day if the numbers go over that,
I will keep you updated Newman, that is one you should not miss.
jb.
It is not going to hurt a 4-6 year old's chances of being the next RC, JS, RD, or AC 10 years down the road if they hone their skills on a $1200 bike. Anybody that ever saw JS ride a pw can attest to that.
Unfortunately those classes seem to be continuing a slow, agonizing death, and it will be a sad day when they are no more.
As far as the two stroke class, I said when they were talking about forming it, and I will say now, that it should be a 125 class for "C" riders.
Instead it is just like the "fourstroke" or collegeboy classes. Just another class that everybody from AC to RC can run as another option in case they have problems at the regional, don't feel that their chances are that good in a strong class, or are placed there by their support team to rack up another championship for OEM ads.
Local riders figured out very quickly who they would have to run against at LL's and never really got behind it.
Sure, it will have a full gate at LL's (what class wouldn't?) and some may try to build some excitment about it, but the potential of the class was missed completely.
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The pool of local riders that fill the LL mini gates has been shrinking for the past 10 or so years. The guys that used to be able to stop in their local dealer, pick up a bike, gear, parts and a few other accesories for about $1000 are history. As well are the numbers that filled those cleass.
Those guys that may have given this sport a shot at that price, will never see a LL starting gate because they can't afford to get into the front gate of their local tracks.
Parents drive KTM (and Cobra) to make the 50 class ridiculously expensive because the only reason Jr isn't winning is because his 50 is not as good as his neighbor's 50, right?
People can't afford to get to LL because it's to costly to race a local race?
LOL Scott I hope i read that wrong or understood it wrong.
For the guy that says fourstrokes are not hurting the sport, well you are correct they already did the damage which will take a long ass time to recover from, if ever. (friend of mine going to go to LL just forgot to put oil in his ride, 1500 later he is hopefully going to have enough money to go to LL). This wasn't 5 years ago this was 2 weeks ago. Same issues different year. if he was married with two kids none of this would be an issue as he wouldn't be able to afford any on it. I have another friend that pulled a 2nd or 3rd at the regional. Once he sat down and seen the costs of going to LL, he simply decided that he and his family couldn't afford it. Event with my motor home and some other help. Just wasn't that big of deal to him, he figured he could race the rest of the year for the cost of racing one event for one week. Not everyone I know anyway worries about the rest of the hoopla.
best value out there is (i hate the word) "Local" racing, and oh by the way it is the FARM TEAM for anyone wanting to go to the "Big races". WIthout local racing LL, redbud, millville, and all the rest out there simply DO NOT Exist. "local" riding parks, and practice tracks make all this happen. Those are places that truely matter in the whole life of riding off road, racing mx etc.
Two stroke class at LL, cool hope it works out. it's not the answer to what this sport needs but a token class in a national championship is a start i guess.
Usually a family will start racing at a local level, riding park or a Friday night track somewhere. It was much easier to do that when you could get into it for a reasonable amount, and be competitive. Now you have to buy a high tech 50, that probably goes faster than it needs to, and families just aren't participating.
Yes there are a couple of classes open to a lesser more reasonable bike, but those aren't attractive to the masses. Not saying it;'s my opinion, but look at the numbers. Not everyone has dreams of going to LL, but they want to be competitive around home.
Everything in our lives has gotten more expensive. The increase to our moto expense has gone up significantly more as well. There will have to come a time where technology, economy and family budgets mix better than they do today.
I don't know too many local level guys that need adjustable types of power, 65 different suspension settings and so on. New ideas are cool, until they price the consumer out of the sport.
what is the point of allowing "A" riders in a two stroke class?
BEAU BALDWIN YAM 11. Two-Stroke CONROE TX
CHRIS CARR KAW 11. Two-Stroke UNIONTOWN OH
JOSHUA CARTWRIGHT YAM 11. Two-Stroke MEMPHIS TN
CORY CATALANI YAM 11. Two-Stroke POPLAR GROVE IL
CODY CHISHOLM YAM 11. Two-Stroke SEMINOLE FL
SETH CICCARELLI YAM 11. Two-Stroke UNCASVILLE CT
DYLAN COX KAW 11. Two-Stroke WHITESVILLE KY
SEAN CUNNINGHAM YAM 11. Two-Stroke KNOXVILLE TN
BRADLEY DE PRENGER YAM 11. Two-Stroke OTLEY IA
GRIFFIN DEXTER HON 11. Two-Stroke TEMECULA CA
JUSTIN EASTON YAM 11. Two-Stroke MURPHYSBORO IL
NICHOLAS FERRELL YAM 11. Two-Stroke TOWNSEND DE
CODY GRAGG YAM 11. Two-Stroke LENOIR NC
MATTHEW HAMMER SUZ 11. Two-Stroke RIDGEFIELD CT
COLIN HICKMAN YAM 11. Two-Stroke DES MOINES IA
BLAKE HUBBARD SUZ 11. Two-Stroke CHANDLER TX
JERRY KOPOIAN YAM 11. Two-Stroke HUDSON FL
CHANDLER LINDSAY KTM 11. Two-Stroke MEBANE NC
JONAH LOCKS KAW 11. Two-Stroke DIXON CA
PATRIC LONGO KTM 11. Two-Stroke SAN ANSELMO CA
LOGAN MATTINGLY YAM 11. Two-Stroke OWENSBORO KY
MICHAEL MCANINCH KTM 11. Two-Stroke EDGEWOOD NM
BRENT MILLER YAM 11. Two-Stroke SILVERWOOD MI
CHRIS MORRIS YAM 11. Two-Stroke TAYLOR TX
MORGAN MOSS YAM 11. Two-Stroke ST FRANCISVILLE LA
MARCUS NIMS SUZ 11. Two-Stroke SACRAMENTO CA
BROC PETERSON HON 11. Two-Stroke LIBERTY CENTER OH
LOGAN RANSDELL YAM 11. Two-Stroke MILNER GA
RJ SCHROYER YAM 11. Two-Stroke OTTAWA LAKE MI
TY SIMINOE KTM 11. Two-Stroke RENO NV
MIKE SLEETER KTM 11. Two-Stroke MURRIETA CA
JOEL SMALTZ YAM 11. Two-Stroke WINDSOR VA
WILL STOCKLAND YAM 11. Two-Stroke MISSOURI CITY TX
MAX TANNEBAUM YAM 11. Two-Stroke LEXINGTON GA
BRYSON TAYLOR KTM 11. Two-Stroke CHULUOTA FL
ZACHARY TAYLOR YAM 11. Two-Stroke HOCKLEY TX
CHRISTIAN TELKER YAM 11. Two-Stroke BROWNSVILLE IN
CODY VANBUSKIRK SUZ 11. Two-Stroke HARVARD IL
AUSTIN WAGNER YAM 11. Two-Stroke NILES MI
AARON ZIELFELDER HON 11. Two-Stroke MADBURY NH
http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/LLs-2012-Roster-is-UP,124…
That and stupidity such as not putting oil in your bike shouldn't be rewarded...
The 450 is not that bad actually, only the head was slightly messed up from the cams spinning dry, and that 1500 (which will be likely less) includes a rebuild that I might have done anyway.
But yeah I agree with you, it was pretty retarded, never happened before, and I bet I don't do it again.
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50's can be done relatively cheap but are the most expensive of the three, 65 isn't too bad and the 85 class is the cheapest to run by far. You can pick up a used 85 (pick your color) for around $1k and be racing by the weekend. A few mods and it will be competitive at pretty much any level.
Amateur racing is only as expensive as you make it. To bitch at promoters about other racers who spend a ton is absolutely ignorant..........
To a point yes i can agree, but I can (and did) buy a pw50 for $500. some boots, helmet and used gear and go racing for under a grand...
It's the "keeping up with the jones' " that makes it too expensive. (Just like everything else in this country)
So for under a grand we could be set up to race 15 times a year at Lee's fair races and have blast, probably spend less than $2,000 (minus the bike) racing all summer.
Then, buy a used kx65 for $1,000. and race for another 3 years. A person doesn't even need to buy those overpowered & overpriced 50's...
And no, i will not be told that any kid needs to race those high power 50's at Lorettas to make a career out of racing dirt bikes...
Lee's Friday night races are good, and as you know quite different from the weekend district functions.
We go much less than we used to, but normally go as a family weekend, camp at the track and just hang out for the weekend.
Between the number of classes, track time on Sunday, and a variety of other things the weekend racing experience has changed over the course of time. B level factory rides, all the national level events, track series championships have all taken their toll on local district races everywhere.
That and the cost of following those events, being equipped for those events, and the cost of being on the road has taken it's toll on some.
http://www.mxsports.com/pages/rules/2013-national-classes
Since the subject is 2 Strokes. This pic is 250 Pro/expert action from Sleepy Hollow last year's 2 Stroke Shootout.
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