Contract Rumors.

mom241 wrote:

So you guys are absolutely sure Wharton refused a pay cut because some guy on Vital said he did? I really don't know where some of...

So you guys are absolutely sure Wharton refused a pay cut because some guy on Vital said he did? I really don't know where some of you get your information that you're so sure of. Same guy said that Trey is staying at Honda for a big pay cut a couple of days ago.

As far as Mitch, back in 2006 his offer to Trey was the same as Geico's. I don't know why so many people believe that he doesn't pay good salaries. There are other things to consider when making these decisions.

mom241 wrote:

Thanks. Now I gotta go find some Ray Charles singing "America" and love the 4th. Happy Independence Day everyone!

motokiwi wrote:

I would take a pay cut if its going to make my holistic goals more achievable... Now now haydos comparing a rockstar bike and a pc...

I would take a pay cut if its going to make my holistic goals more achievable... Now now haydos comparing a rockstar bike and a pc bike is like comparing apples to oranges

haydos25 wrote:

Does it actually make a championship closer or does it just seem that way in the minds of people on the internet who think PC is...

Does it actually make a championship closer or does it just seem that way in the minds of people on the internet who think PC is the magic bullet for every rider who's not on one and not winning?

Come on, i highly doubt theres a big difference between one factory bike and another, PC is amazing and i'd be on one in a sec if i got the call from mitch, but you got teams like eleven 10 running up there with PC now. PC wins because of the riders first and foremost. They have the fastest riders 90 percent of the time. They get those riders because there is the impression that the bike is so much better due to the fastest riders winning on them in the past. Its a vicious circle for everyone else. Geico and to a lesser extent KTM are proving otherwise this year. Tomac or Barcia on a Rockstar bike would turn public opinion around quick smart.

In my opinion ofcourse

Bulldog Racing wrote:

The other part of the equation you are leaving out is how the team is managed. Mitch Payton is a very passionate and tough guy to...

The other part of the equation you are leaving out is how the team is managed. Mitch Payton is a very passionate and tough guy to work for. In McGraths book he talked about how Mitch made him a better rider, and while he hated the disciple it was exactly what he needed at that point in his young career.

The bikes do make a big difference as well, Alex Martin has stayed with Eleven10 mods even though he has had offers from bigger teams. Chad Sanner builds a better bike than some of the bigger teams that spend all their money on 18 wheelers and payroll. PC just happens to have the entire package and also supports these kids when they are coming up so the loyalty factor is a big part as well.

mom241 wrote:

So you guys are absolutely sure Wharton refused a pay cut because some guy on Vital said he did? I really don't know where some of...

So you guys are absolutely sure Wharton refused a pay cut because some guy on Vital said he did? I really don't know where some of you get your information that you're so sure of. Same guy said that Trey is staying at Honda for a big pay cut a couple of days ago.

As far as Mitch, back in 2006 his offer to Trey was the same as Geico's. I don't know why so many people believe that he doesn't pay good salaries. There are other things to consider when making these decisions.

Langhammx wrote:

Milsaps will be on the Hart & Carmichael Suzuki team, NOT the Rockstar Suzuki team ! The deal has not yet been inked, but the offer...

Milsaps will be on the Hart & Carmichael Suzuki team, NOT the Rockstar Suzuki team ! The deal has not yet been inked, but the offer has been made....

sam111 wrote:

"Inked" - Was that a pun? Haha. Pingree made it very clear in the podcast that Millsaps deal is for the Rockstar Suzuki team, not H&H...

"Inked" - Was that a pun? Haha.

Pingree made it very clear in the podcast that Millsaps deal is for the Rockstar Suzuki team, not H&H, not Yosh, and not BTO. He said he had heard it from two different but reliable sources.

Langhammx wrote:

Well... I know that Millsaps has an offer from Cary, not sure if he has others or not. I don't see Rockstar Suzuki stepping up with...

Well... I know that Millsaps has an offer from Cary, not sure if he has others or not. I don't see Rockstar Suzuki stepping up with a 450 rider(s), but I know nothing about their plans. I guess we will all know soon enough...

flarider wrote:

This thread is full of fail

flarider wrote:

This thread is full of fail

flarider wrote:

This thread is full of fail

Dsigner wrote:

Full of fact as well.

mom241 wrote:

So you guys are absolutely sure Wharton refused a pay cut because some guy on Vital said he did? I really don't know where some of...

So you guys are absolutely sure Wharton refused a pay cut because some guy on Vital said he did? I really don't know where some of you get your information that you're so sure of. Same guy said that Trey is staying at Honda for a big pay cut a couple of days ago.

As far as Mitch, back in 2006 his offer to Trey was the same as Geico's. I don't know why so many people believe that he doesn't pay good salaries. There are other things to consider when making these decisions.

mom241 wrote:

Trey is really good. Counting down the days!

mom241 wrote:

Trey is really good. Counting down the days!

UpTiTe wrote:

I think its funny the way most people on the internet think that PC has some magic possion brewing in their shop that turns subpar riders...

I think its funny the way most people on the internet think that PC has some magic possion brewing in their shop that turns subpar riders into a national champ. I beg one person to name me one guy who has left another FACTORY team and won a title for Mitch who couldn't have won a title on another bike. Only five riders have won national titles for PC, and one was on a factory bike fitted with PC graphics. All five of those guys could have won on any other brand.

The only rider that has ever done it is Weimer, and he won on a Honda too and could have won a title with a Honda if he applied himself. PC didn't make Weimer better, it was Weimer new program that made him better.

As far as riders getting paid pennys compared to other teams? Another myth. Guys that move up from Team Green to PC make the same money they would make on any other team, guys that Mitch takes a chance on that come to him for a ride, don't. Pourcel made 400k a year riding for PC, he wouldn't have made any more anywhere else.

mom241 wrote:

So you guys are absolutely sure Wharton refused a pay cut because some guy on Vital said he did? I really don't know where some of...

So you guys are absolutely sure Wharton refused a pay cut because some guy on Vital said he did? I really don't know where some of you get your information that you're so sure of. Same guy said that Trey is staying at Honda for a big pay cut a couple of days ago.

As far as Mitch, back in 2006 his offer to Trey was the same as Geico's. I don't know why so many people believe that he doesn't pay good salaries. There are other things to consider when making these decisions.

englishman wrote:

Respectfully - the crash of 2008 changed things on a financial level for everyone. Comparing any form of monetary contract: property conveyancing, salaries, retirements, sporting contracts...

Respectfully - the crash of 2008 changed things on a financial level for everyone.

Comparing any form of monetary contract: property conveyancing, salaries, retirements, sporting contracts etc, etc between 2006 & 2012 isn't reasonable.

Wharton didn't refuse a pay cut he was offered "X" and agreed to that number then "X" became "Y" and he decided he'd rather get paid a different amount at a different team.

I was told the Trey story from two long term Kawasaki employees and one at Honda. Presumed it to be somewhat reliable and threw it up here - causing offense is never my primary motivator so if I have please excuse me.

Let's not forget the title to this thread is "RUMOURS" not "FACTS" and as Mark twain once said "Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story "

Happy 4th one and all

UpTiTe wrote:

I think its funny the way most people on the internet think that PC has some magic possion brewing in their shop that turns subpar riders...

I think its funny the way most people on the internet think that PC has some magic possion brewing in their shop that turns subpar riders into a national champ. I beg one person to name me one guy who has left another FACTORY team and won a title for Mitch who couldn't have won a title on another bike. Only five riders have won national titles for PC, and one was on a factory bike fitted with PC graphics. All five of those guys could have won on any other brand.

The only rider that has ever done it is Weimer, and he won on a Honda too and could have won a title with a Honda if he applied himself. PC didn't make Weimer better, it was Weimer new program that made him better.

As far as riders getting paid pennys compared to other teams? Another myth. Guys that move up from Team Green to PC make the same money they would make on any other team, guys that Mitch takes a chance on that come to him for a ride, don't. Pourcel made 400k a year riding for PC, he wouldn't have made any more anywhere else.

scott_nz wrote:

ill play this game, Ivan Tedesco, from memory he had never even won an outdoor national on his previous teams, yet won teh outdoors in 05...

ill play this game, Ivan Tedesco, from memory he had never even won an outdoor national on his previous teams, yet won teh outdoors in 05

what do i win?

UpTiTe wrote:

I think its funny the way most people on the internet think that PC has some magic possion brewing in their shop that turns subpar riders...

I think its funny the way most people on the internet think that PC has some magic possion brewing in their shop that turns subpar riders into a national champ. I beg one person to name me one guy who has left another FACTORY team and won a title for Mitch who couldn't have won a title on another bike. Only five riders have won national titles for PC, and one was on a factory bike fitted with PC graphics. All five of those guys could have won on any other brand.

The only rider that has ever done it is Weimer, and he won on a Honda too and could have won a title with a Honda if he applied himself. PC didn't make Weimer better, it was Weimer new program that made him better.

As far as riders getting paid pennys compared to other teams? Another myth. Guys that move up from Team Green to PC make the same money they would make on any other team, guys that Mitch takes a chance on that come to him for a ride, don't. Pourcel made 400k a year riding for PC, he wouldn't have made any more anywhere else.

peelout wrote:

i bet you have a sexy little tribal tatt on your lower back

Dias374 wrote:

Not the same team. Rockstar Suzuki is currently the lites team and Metty is on the Yosh/Suzuki team. Rockstar looks to be expanding efforts and bringing...

Not the same team. Rockstar Suzuki is currently the lites team and Metty is on the Yosh/Suzuki team. Rockstar looks to be expanding efforts and bringing on a 450 guy with the 250 guys for next year. This is great news because it adds another ride. Hopefully more teams follow suit and some of the less known guys will get a shot with some decent equipment.

UpTiTe wrote:

I think its funny the way most people on the internet think that PC has some magic possion brewing in their shop that turns subpar riders...

I think its funny the way most people on the internet think that PC has some magic possion brewing in their shop that turns subpar riders into a national champ. I beg one person to name me one guy who has left another FACTORY team and won a title for Mitch who couldn't have won a title on another bike. Only five riders have won national titles for PC, and one was on a factory bike fitted with PC graphics. All five of those guys could have won on any other brand.

The only rider that has ever done it is Weimer, and he won on a Honda too and could have won a title with a Honda if he applied himself. PC didn't make Weimer better, it was Weimer new program that made him better.

As far as riders getting paid pennys compared to other teams? Another myth. Guys that move up from Team Green to PC make the same money they would make on any other team, guys that Mitch takes a chance on that come to him for a ride, don't. Pourcel made 400k a year riding for PC, he wouldn't have made any more anywhere else.

scott_nz wrote:

ill play this game, Ivan Tedesco, from memory he had never even won an outdoor national on his previous teams, yet won teh outdoors in 05...

ill play this game, Ivan Tedesco, from memory he had never even won an outdoor national on his previous teams, yet won teh outdoors in 05

what do i win?

UpTiTe wrote:

Read the whole post, any rider who came from another factory team. PC was Ivans first factory ride.

sprocket123 wrote:

Take it to the bank..... Rockstar Suzuki will have a 250 and 450 program and have a amateur rider (program) Wharton is a done deal (lites)...

Take it to the bank..... Rockstar Suzuki will have a 250 and 450 program and have a amateur rider (program)
Wharton is a done deal (lites)
Anderson is a done deal (lites)
Millsaps is a done deeal (450)
Izzi done deal (SX lites / outdoor 450)
Owens done deal and will move up for outdoors 2013 (lites)
All from a "very good" source!!