So who was the moran...

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6/3/2012 2:43pm
500guy wrote:
Very distracting to a racer, this is not the same as race traffic or lappers, it is a major distraction that should never happen.
sec114 wrote:
whomever that was needs to have credentials pulled for all the races in 2012. yes it was a total accident of whomever. I am thinking the...
whomever that was needs to have credentials pulled for all the races in 2012. yes it was a total accident of whomever. I am thinking the person absolutely did not know anyone was coming; due to the hilly, elevation changes of the track. this kind of shit should not be happening in any level of a top tier sport. think about it, I don't care if it is horse racing, downhill skiing, nascar or whatever? if something like this happened, I'm pretty sure heads would be rolling.
cudby wrote:
Yeah like when the track came apart at the IRL race today, or the jet dry explosion at Daytona Nascar this year, or the Daytona track...
Yeah like when the track came apart at the IRL race today, or the jet dry explosion at Daytona Nascar this year, or the Daytona track cracking a few years ago during the 500.
Those examples sound like mechanical issues and or mother nature at work. The dude that ran across the track is a straight up idiot. I dont see how anyone can defend that if it made James crash or not.
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6/3/2012 2:45pm
I say only 4 photographers should be allowed to take pics:
1.guy-b
2.cudby
3.kenny watson





















4.Devin Davis
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6/3/2012 3:42pm
sec114 wrote:
whomever that was needs to have credentials pulled for all the races in 2012. yes it was a total accident of whomever. I am thinking the...
whomever that was needs to have credentials pulled for all the races in 2012. yes it was a total accident of whomever. I am thinking the person absolutely did not know anyone was coming; due to the hilly, elevation changes of the track. this kind of shit should not be happening in any level of a top tier sport. think about it, I don't care if it is horse racing, downhill skiing, nascar or whatever? if something like this happened, I'm pretty sure heads would be rolling.
cudby wrote:
Yeah like when the track came apart at the IRL race today, or the jet dry explosion at Daytona Nascar this year, or the Daytona track...
Yeah like when the track came apart at the IRL race today, or the jet dry explosion at Daytona Nascar this year, or the Daytona track cracking a few years ago during the 500.
Those examples sound like mechanical issues and or mother nature at work. The dude that ran across the track is a straight up idiot. I dont...
Those examples sound like mechanical issues and or mother nature at work. The dude that ran across the track is a straight up idiot. I dont see how anyone can defend that if it made James crash or not.
I disagree. The two track issues were caused by someone somewhere not prepping the surface before the races, and the jet dryer crash was caused by having cars on the track at the same time as a dryer.
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6/3/2012 3:43pm Edited Date/Time 6/3/2012 3:44pm
Admin Sticky this... 4 pages and thread stayed on task except for a posts on the wind... Congrats... One question I have though is, if JS7 was on a lighter 2 stroke, you think he would been able to save it ... ? Evil

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6/3/2012 4:41pm
"Occam's razor" based thinkin' would determine that the Photog running across the track caused the crash...

I'm jus' sayin'...
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6/3/2012 4:47pm
cudby wrote:
Yeah like when the track came apart at the IRL race today, or the jet dry explosion at Daytona Nascar this year, or the Daytona track...
Yeah like when the track came apart at the IRL race today, or the jet dry explosion at Daytona Nascar this year, or the Daytona track cracking a few years ago during the 500.
Those examples sound like mechanical issues and or mother nature at work. The dude that ran across the track is a straight up idiot. I dont...
Those examples sound like mechanical issues and or mother nature at work. The dude that ran across the track is a straight up idiot. I dont see how anyone can defend that if it made James crash or not.
cudby wrote:
I disagree. The two track issues were caused by someone somewhere not prepping the surface before the races, and the jet dryer crash was caused by...
I disagree. The two track issues were caused by someone somewhere not prepping the surface before the races, and the jet dryer crash was caused by having cars on the track at the same time as a dryer.
Agreed, sorry dont pay attention to auto racing.
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6/3/2012 4:59pm Edited Date/Time 6/3/2012 5:01pm
Instead of punishing the individual, you punish everyone? What if they decided 3 photographers for 3 different magazines and GuyB is not one of them. You...
Instead of punishing the individual, you punish everyone? What if they decided 3 photographers for 3 different magazines and GuyB is not one of them. You get cut because of people that do not pay attention or follow the rules. How would you feel?

Now it is likely you wouldn't get cut but you know someone who does photography for a living or works for a mag or website will. It is an attitude that is prevalent because people don't want to punish those who do not follow the rules.
GuyB wrote:
I think you're inserting how you think I feel into this. I just said it's been a discussion. If we got clipped (which I think is...
I think you're inserting how you think I feel into this. I just said it's been a discussion. If we got clipped (which I think is pretty unlikely), it would suck. It would negatively affect our business.

Now, having said that, I do think that there are a lot of people out there who wouldn't be able to say the same. Last year at Hangtown, there was an underage photographer who was there on behalf of another site. It was his first National, after shooting for a handful of months. Do I think he should be out there? No.
I think you think you know what I think your thought are. No, I didn't think you were pushing this. The "you" refers to the AMA or body that decides who gets to take photos and press passes.

So I think we think similarly. I think "they" should manage the photographers better with rules and with consequences.

No you may not like this suggestion, but if you told all photographers they could not cross the track during the race, this would never happen. That would mean you would need more photographers to cover all the areas possibly but not risking the life, financial well being of a rider and his sponsor may be worth it.

Underage photographers are probably not a good idea from any liability standpoint, again this comes down to better management.
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6/3/2012 5:21pm
zippy895 wrote:
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Thanks for the laugh, Zippy
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6/3/2012 5:55pm
HAH!!!
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6/3/2012 6:24pm Edited Date/Time 6/3/2012 6:24pm
cudby wrote:
Yeah like when the track came apart at the IRL race today, or the jet dry explosion at Daytona Nascar this year, or the Daytona track...
Yeah like when the track came apart at the IRL race today, or the jet dry explosion at Daytona Nascar this year, or the Daytona track cracking a few years ago during the 500.
Those examples sound like mechanical issues and or mother nature at work. The dude that ran across the track is a straight up idiot. I dont...
Those examples sound like mechanical issues and or mother nature at work. The dude that ran across the track is a straight up idiot. I dont see how anyone can defend that if it made James crash or not.
cudby wrote:
I disagree. The two track issues were caused by someone somewhere not prepping the surface before the races, and the jet dryer crash was caused by...
I disagree. The two track issues were caused by someone somewhere not prepping the surface before the races, and the jet dryer crash was caused by having cars on the track at the same time as a dryer.
Jet dryers are routinely on the track at nascar events to either blow off debris or simply dry the track if needed. But only under caution.

Montoya reported a vibration in the rear end of the car and pitted, all under caution. The crew checked the car and he was given the go ahead to go back on track. He radioed the spotter to keep an eye on the rear wheels to see if the the back of the car was traveling funny when it suddenly broke loose, timed perfectly to shoot up the track into the jet dryer. Keep in mind this is all under a yellow flag and cars are running well below race speed. Bizarre incident, much like the daytona track breaking up years ago.
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6/3/2012 6:47pm
zippy895 wrote:
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Hey! That's slander!
6/3/2012 6:50pm
GuyB wrote:
Correct. Big James and I had a discussion at the end of the second 250 moto that included him wagging his finger and giving me a...
Correct.

Big James and I had a discussion at the end of the second 250 moto that included him wagging his finger and giving me a, "Y'all photographers..." That was after he'd reported another photographer for crossing the track.

After I suggested that he not lump us all together, and that if I cross the track I want enough visibility and gap between riders that I can do it at a leisurely stroll, he agreed...so that there was extra time in case I stumbled. We both chuckled at that.

When we were done talking? He walked across the track back to the pits...
LOL ...nice one gibby..........can just see big james waddling across the track, do some serious damage to a bike if they hit him.
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6/3/2012 7:35pm
It accurs to me that anyone who takes shelter in a tent during sever weather is a complete moran.
6/3/2012 8:51pm
TerryK wrote:
It accurs to me that anyone who takes shelter in a tent during sever weather is a complete moran.
Thanks, I was dry though!
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You won't be able to cross the track at the gp's or the mxon. rule came in earlier this year
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6/4/2012 4:32am
Is the implication here that the guy crossing caused JS to crash? I find such an implication ridiculous.
6/4/2012 4:52am
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Too funny Laughing
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6/4/2012 6:43am
kongols wrote:
I think GuyB said it was brazilian photographer.
GuyB wrote:
Correct. Big James and I had a discussion at the end of the second 250 moto that included him wagging his finger and giving me a...
Correct.

Big James and I had a discussion at the end of the second 250 moto that included him wagging his finger and giving me a, "Y'all photographers..." That was after he'd reported another photographer for crossing the track.

After I suggested that he not lump us all together, and that if I cross the track I want enough visibility and gap between riders that I can do it at a leisurely stroll, he agreed...so that there was extra time in case I stumbled. We both chuckled at that.

When we were done talking? He walked across the track back to the pits...
Should certain riders dad's be allowed on the infield of the tracks?
6/4/2012 7:05am
I rarely feel the need to post, just lurk, as most topics are over played with ridiculousness but I have a strong opinion on this topic.
If anyone is allowed, or the rules are not enforced when violated, to walk across the track at any point while it's hot then this is not a legitimate sport it's just an exhibition. When you have shit like that going on and like others have said countless people / crews and utv’s roaming alongside the tracks how can anyone take this sport seriously? It’s an embarrassment; and I call total bull shit to anyone who thinks this sport exudes professionalism. Total amateur hour out there.

I’ve been involved in all forms of racing two wheels for over 35years and I have a great deal of respect for DC. I’m just calling it like I see it.
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6/4/2012 7:10am
kongols wrote:
I think GuyB said it was brazilian photographer.
GuyB wrote:
Correct. Big James and I had a discussion at the end of the second 250 moto that included him wagging his finger and giving me a...
Correct.

Big James and I had a discussion at the end of the second 250 moto that included him wagging his finger and giving me a, "Y'all photographers..." That was after he'd reported another photographer for crossing the track.

After I suggested that he not lump us all together, and that if I cross the track I want enough visibility and gap between riders that I can do it at a leisurely stroll, he agreed...so that there was extra time in case I stumbled. We both chuckled at that.

When we were done talking? He walked across the track back to the pits...
c3011 wrote:
Should certain riders dad's be allowed on the infield of the tracks?
I was wondering the same thing. Who is allowed on the infield? I see all sorts of people, but not sure who they are.

Does it make sense that parents are allowed anywhere on the track beyond the mechanics area? It seems that Big James and Tony A are two that get the most TV time wondering the track, but should they be allowed to? Do photogs have free reign on the track to go wherever they want?
I don't know the rules, I'm just asking.
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I rarely feel the need to post, just lurk, as most topics are over played with ridiculousness but I have a strong opinion on this topic...
I rarely feel the need to post, just lurk, as most topics are over played with ridiculousness but I have a strong opinion on this topic.
If anyone is allowed, or the rules are not enforced when violated, to walk across the track at any point while it's hot then this is not a legitimate sport it's just an exhibition. When you have shit like that going on and like others have said countless people / crews and utv’s roaming alongside the tracks how can anyone take this sport seriously? It’s an embarrassment; and I call total bull shit to anyone who thinks this sport exudes professionalism. Total amateur hour out there.

I’ve been involved in all forms of racing two wheels for over 35years and I have a great deal of respect for DC. I’m just calling it like I see it.
Very well said. I couldn't agree with you more. It shouldn't even be a topic of discussion (whether or not it caused him to crash). If you look at this video it becomes pretty obvious that the photographer was very much at fault.
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slipdog wrote:
No good can come of this thread...
JPT wrote:
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Two of the exact same threads were started within minutes of each other first thing Sunday morning demanding a name.

I can't see anyone thinking the guy wasn't stupid for what he did. It was an idiot move, but I don't think we need to know his name, we need to know that MX Sports/ AMA is going to make sure this never happens again.

Posting this guys name on the interweb can only fuel the fire to the point where some crazed Stewart fan from another country like, Oh... lets say Lavita, twists off and hunts him down to stab him in the throat with a James Stewart action figure.Wink

Much to my suprise, this thread didn't meltdown.... carry on Vital!Smile
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slipdog wrote:
Two of the exact same threads were started within minutes of each other first thing Sunday morning demanding a name. I can't see anyone thinking the...
Two of the exact same threads were started within minutes of each other first thing Sunday morning demanding a name.

I can't see anyone thinking the guy wasn't stupid for what he did. It was an idiot move, but I don't think we need to know his name, we need to know that MX Sports/ AMA is going to make sure this never happens again.

Posting this guys name on the interweb can only fuel the fire to the point where some crazed Stewart fan from another country like, Oh... lets say Lavita, twists off and hunts him down to stab him in the throat with a James Stewart action figure.Wink

Much to my suprise, this thread didn't meltdown.... carry on Vital!Smile
WTF? Where have you seen me post in any of these threads. Get of my back, bitches.
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6/4/2012 7:44am Edited Date/Time 6/4/2012 7:45am
I say only 4 photographers should be allowed to take pics: 1.guy-b 2.cudby 3.kenny watson 4.Devin Davis
I say only 4 photographers should be allowed to take pics:
1.guy-b
2.cudby
3.kenny watson





















4.Devin Davis
Just think if that had been DDavis....Do you know how cray this place would have gone?? lol
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6/4/2012 7:54am
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WTF? Where have you seen me post in any of these threads. Get of my back, bitches.
C'mon guy... You've shown excellent restraint in the past 36hrs, need I remind you "sarcasm is not for everyone" ?
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ha ha! so funny, sure the BFRO will be in touch. LOL!
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6/4/2012 8:03am
The more I watch the videos of this guy crossing the track the more I think he needs to be stripped of his credentials.
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6/4/2012 8:06am
GuyB wrote:
Correct. Big James and I had a discussion at the end of the second 250 moto that included him wagging his finger and giving me a...
Correct.

Big James and I had a discussion at the end of the second 250 moto that included him wagging his finger and giving me a, "Y'all photographers..." That was after he'd reported another photographer for crossing the track.

After I suggested that he not lump us all together, and that if I cross the track I want enough visibility and gap between riders that I can do it at a leisurely stroll, he agreed...so that there was extra time in case I stumbled. We both chuckled at that.

When we were done talking? He walked across the track back to the pits...
c3011 wrote:
Should certain riders dad's be allowed on the infield of the tracks?
danman wrote:
I was wondering the same thing. Who is allowed on the infield? I see all sorts of people, but not sure who they are. Does it...
I was wondering the same thing. Who is allowed on the infield? I see all sorts of people, but not sure who they are.

Does it make sense that parents are allowed anywhere on the track beyond the mechanics area? It seems that Big James and Tony A are two that get the most TV time wondering the track, but should they be allowed to? Do photogs have free reign on the track to go wherever they want?
I don't know the rules, I'm just asking.
That's pretty much where I was going with this, I don't remember seeing Jack McGrath all over the place or RC's dad all over the place either. I maybe off base with this but I'm just curious.
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6/4/2012 8:10am
I assure you guys MX Sports is dealing with this. But there is a level of personal responsibility too -- you don't cross the highway at rush hour, whether you are a photographer or not. What happened here was a very unfortunate lapse of judgement by someone who really does know better, but made a mistake that has had huge effect on a lot of other people, including James Stewart, and now other photographers....

I remember at the 1993 Budds Creek 250 GP a local news photographer decided to stand in the first turn and got drilled by Jeff Stanton, who had won something like three straight USGP races to that point. It knocked Jeff down and ruined his day. All of the rest of us photographers, along with the guy who got hit, were told to stay off the track.

All of the photographers were told to stay off the track at Thunder Valley too, and most of then obliged the request. This guy did not, and it had a terrible ripple effect. I am not sure how it's going to turn out -- a motocross track is a tough place to shoot, and unlike football, baseball or basketball, it impossible to just be on the outside the whole time and make good photos. So the personal responsibility thing comes into play, and it was played badly in Colorado....

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