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gsxrcr28 6/2/2012 8:08pm
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Overdrive wrote:
Stewart was laying on the track on the right hand side, EVERYBODY behind Stewart had to pass him on the left hand side THE same side...
Stewart was laying on the track on the right hand side, EVERYBODY behind Stewart had to pass him on the left hand side THE same side Stewart went down in. ALL those riders were caught off gaurd and had to ride the same section Stewart crashed in with their concentration broken like Stewart and not ONE of them went down like Stewart.

Unfortunate for James.
They had caution flags and not a spectator that they had no idea what he was doing. Also Stewarts crash was much further down the track than right after the jump.
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jathey 6/2/2012 8:11pm
6/2/2012 8:11pm Edited Date/Time 6/2/2012 8:13pm
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Off the jump first thing I see is someone on the track right in front. If you have ever ridden with a GoPro you know this...
Off the jump first thing I see is someone on the track right in front. If you have ever ridden with a GoPro you know this view is twice as close and a hell of a lot faster in rear time. That person crossing the track should be kicked in the nuts every day just to remind him of how stupid he is.
There's a part of me that wishes that idiot would have gotten harpooned by Stewart.

That Go-Pro video was jarring to me the first time through and, if what some are saying is accurate about the perspective of the camera, then that makes it even more intense from the rider's true perspective.

No wonder this happened with all the posers and scenesters everywhere you look at the races. "Look how cool I am with my all access - watch me cross the track like a dumbass." Really started to hate that shit after a while. No professional track etiquette, at all.

If I'm wrong and that was a mechanic or photographer? Well, that's actually worse.
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Overdrive wrote:
Stewart was laying on the track on the right hand side, EVERYBODY behind Stewart had to pass him on the left hand side THE same side...
Stewart was laying on the track on the right hand side, EVERYBODY behind Stewart had to pass him on the left hand side THE same side Stewart went down in. ALL those riders were caught off gaurd and had to ride the same section Stewart crashed in with their concentration broken like Stewart and not ONE of them went down like Stewart.

Unfortunate for James.
A few differences though; He wasn't on the landing and they were waving flags
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If he gets distracted that easily then he is to big of a risk to have out on the track.

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Overdrive 6/2/2012 8:13pm
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We will all have to agree to disagree on the crash part, but we can all agree that it SUCKS he DNF ed the moto. I hope everyone agrees that the racing is much better with him out there! It was shaping up to be a great battle between the two.
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TannerMxer 6/2/2012 8:35pm
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If he gets distracted that easily then he is to big of a risk to have out on the track.
OMFG you are retarded.

I want to see you fly over a jump that's 50ft long, going 30-40mph and see someone in the center of the track. Your asshole would clench so tight that you couldn't fit a sewing needle into it... or you would shit your pants.

Why does everyone like this clown feel the need to dissect and think they know the way things happen at Stewart speed? Here's a little heads up for you and all the people that think they know what it is like, there's only 3-4 people ON THE PLANET that go Stewart-speed, and I bet you (and I) have never gone 30% as fast as James. Hell, I will say it right now, I have never gone 10% as fast as James, so I have no idea what the track looks like going that fast.

I know when I ride the track, even going insanely slow, going outside of a comfortable line, or a known line freaks me out.
neverwasfastenuf 6/2/2012 9:53pm
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-espionage- wrote:
If he gets distracted that easily then he is to big of a risk to have out on the track.
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OMFG you are retarded. I want to see you fly over a jump that's 50ft long, going 30-40mph and see someone in the center of the...
OMFG you are retarded.

I want to see you fly over a jump that's 50ft long, going 30-40mph and see someone in the center of the track. Your asshole would clench so tight that you couldn't fit a sewing needle into it... or you would shit your pants.

Why does everyone like this clown feel the need to dissect and think they know the way things happen at Stewart speed? Here's a little heads up for you and all the people that think they know what it is like, there's only 3-4 people ON THE PLANET that go Stewart-speed, and I bet you (and I) have never gone 30% as fast as James. Hell, I will say it right now, I have never gone 10% as fast as James, so I have no idea what the track looks like going that fast.

I know when I ride the track, even going insanely slow, going outside of a comfortable line, or a known line freaks me out.
50 ft long ... according to motodude in his other post that got deleted when Stewart first saw the guy he was 100 meters from him .... thus making Stewart's jump well over 300 ft Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing and the guy was 3/4ths the way across the track when he first saw him Grinning Grinning Grinning Grinning Grinning Grinning
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cmess77 6/2/2012 10:05pm
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How can a guy walking across the track be more distracting than Ryan Dungey on your rear wheel for 30+2? Let alone the fact James crashed 100+ feet after the jump. Maybe a slight distraction, but it shouldn't have, and I seriously doubt it, caused the crash.
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Matt Wozney 6/2/2012 11:00pm
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As I said earlier, I have a friend who was at the race helping Kevin Rookstool. He happened to be at that exact spot watching and...
As I said earlier, I have a friend who was at the race helping Kevin Rookstool. He happened to be at that exact spot watching and caught the entire thing on video. He said there was no way that caused Stewart to crash and that it looked to him like Stewart just lost his balance and kept it pinned, launching him over the bars.

I'm just the messenger but I trust his judgement. I don't doubt that the guy was a distraction but from the sounds of it, he didn't cause the crash. Either way, JS7 crashed, is hurt, and now the series is the poorer for it. Injuries suck no matter what, so I hope his isn't too serious and he is able to either continue racing or heals up in short order. It was very cool that he had come back to the outdoors and was enjoying himself.
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Was the guy working for Rookstool Matt Wozney by chance or someone else? The footage that was used in the second moto TV broadcast from Wozney...
Was the guy working for Rookstool Matt Wozney by chance or someone else?

The footage that was used in the second moto TV broadcast from Wozney showed the end over end tumbling but not what led up to it.
I do not work/wrench for Kevin. I got the wreck on video. I didn't see the whole photog crossing the track from my angle. I learned a lot thoughout the day about what happened before I got that shot. I'm shocked TV didn't get it. Once I heard that, I had to get it out there. I was actually setting up to shoot another rider through that section. Just a right spot, right time deal. Aka luck.
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U3 6/3/2012 2:30am
6/3/2012 2:30am Edited Date/Time 6/3/2012 2:31am
It's really unbelievable and a shame what some people post on here!
Obviously most guys here never raced their whole life or just stupid!

If you think you're going that fast over a stepdown and a guy right in your landing doesn't distract you, that I just don't know what to say...
But most of those stupids probably didn't even saw where that landing was...
Just a hint, look in the second video in the beginning of that post. Stewarts reaction in his video was right and honest, just told it like it was. Hats off...

It's just embarrassing what most people post here. Thanks a lot that there are still some people with working brains.

And before you think something wrong, I'm definitly not a Stewart fan....
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VRR7 6/3/2012 2:43am
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Oh i am sorry.... I just rewatched the video and I am wrong...................................The guy was completely off the track by the time JS landed. The dude...
Oh i am sorry.... I just rewatched the video and I am wrong...................................The guy was completely off the track by the time JS landed.


The dude got cross-rutted and he crashed. End of story. Could have happened to anyone out there. They have all done it....RC, JS, RV, RD, ect..........
Have you every Braked in the Air ? How much does it slow you down ? Seems to me the guy on the track and the James where facing each other - James did not have many options at first when he was on direct trajectory to the real dumb ass in this situation . Who then saw he better get out of the way - He ran to the right - which left Jame no option but to go the the left. Poor James must have had a "moment" in the air when it was like Oh S.... ! what now - Cos not much he could do if the guy stayed where he was ! After that mental process hey the guys must have been effected.

If distraction does not disturb your game then why can you not throw things at tennis players at a Wimbledon final. See if it has any effect ? I bet everyone that say he was not distracted has had the experience of been distracted in some point in their life which effect the desired outcome !

Sure not every distraction effects the same - This one unfortunately had a big effect . To state that it had no effect on the outcome is not logical - Scientists know that the biggest problem with experiments are that one cannot remove the observer - ie the observer effects the outcome of the experiment !

So I suppose those that view this as not distracting could do this http://youtu.be/zfy5dFhw3ik
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burnside 6/3/2012 2:52am
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WhKnuckle wrote:
You obviously don't do much GoPro stuff, or you'd understand how wide the view on those cameras are - the guy was much closer to him...
You obviously don't do much GoPro stuff, or you'd understand how wide the view on those cameras are - the guy was much closer to him that it appears. Stewart was aiming directly at the guy when he left the ground and the guy wasn't even moving, you can see his front fender aiming right and then he went straight as the guy started to run, and Stewart landed left-center of the track when the racing line was center-right, landed right in the deep mud and ruts. Then Stewart fell when he tried to get set up for the next turn in that chewed up mess.

If the guy wasn't on the track, Stewart wouldn't have crashed. Simple as that. There's no question about it. I can't believe anyone who has racing experience would even argue about it.

My son and I go riding in the woods and he uses a GoPro, and you look 20 yards down the trail and you'd swear there's no way you could fit between the trees, then they go flying by on both sides, and they're a hell of a lot bigger than they looked. That's the way wide-angle camera views are. Stewart got closer to the guy than it looked, and the fact that he was on the blind side of a jump and Stewart was headed directly at him obviously forces him farther left than he wanted to go.

It's the guy's fault who was crossing the track, no question about it. Maybe Stewart COULD have avoided the crash, but I've never picked my bike up off the ground yet and not known how I COULD have avoided the crash.
I agree. When James hit that jump blind, the dude was standing right where he was about to land and good observation with the GoPro barrel distortion and wide angle. Theres no way that wouldn't give you a shock. And some random photographer shouldn't be in the mind of the race leader at all. Unprofessional move by who ever this was.
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FIREfish148 6/3/2012 3:08am
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How about people STAY OFF THE FKING TRACK and none of this shit would even have to be discussed?! And if you are going to cross the track, then find a straight away that has a long viewpoint and cross the corner at the end of it!! Jesus man its not fking rocket science people.

The guy crossing the track was jusAngry walking along like it was a walk in the park on sunday morning too!! WTF?!?!
dirtworldmx 6/3/2012 3:55am
6/3/2012 3:55am
Bad luck for Bubba as he is probably the only rider out there who would lose focus and wad it up over something as minor as that.
smoothwakey 6/3/2012 4:09am
6/3/2012 4:09am Edited Date/Time 6/3/2012 4:10am
You can see in the go pro how blind the take off of that jump is. For people comparing that to a downed rider that is a joke, like other people have mentioned you have caution flags most times in those situations. Also of all the riders in the 450 class James is one that is never just jumping a jump especially when he is in check out mode, he is always soaking, scrubbing, prejumping doing something to go faster, if the footage was played at race speed I think it would be more clear that the guy crossing the track was a factor in the crash. Either way it just sucks that this could put him out for awhile, Dungey is way more fun to watch when he isnt just riding around out front.
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FARANG 6/3/2012 4:10am
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Overdrive wrote:
Stewart was laying on the track on the right hand side, EVERYBODY behind Stewart had to pass him on the left hand side THE same side...
Stewart was laying on the track on the right hand side, EVERYBODY behind Stewart had to pass him on the left hand side THE same side Stewart went down in. ALL those riders were caught off gaurd and had to ride the same section Stewart crashed in with their concentration broken like Stewart and not ONE of them went down like Stewart.

Unfortunate for James.
That's how I saw it, riders have to adjust all the time due to crashes in front of them, other riders, lappers etc. - Stewart crashed about 50 metres after he'd gone past the guy. All the other riders had to adjust and ride around the outside of him and none of them crashed. Just a mistake, hope he's back next week.
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jwhitemx15 6/3/2012 6:14am
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So... does anyone know who this retard out on the track is??? I mean, what's next? Are they (AMA/MX Sports) still gonna let photogs run all over the track during motos? Some of the flaggers that work these events are bad enough as it is, let alone guys running across blind sections of the racetrack.

GuyB even posted a photo a week or so ago of a photog practically standing in the first turn! Just wait until one of them runs across the track and breaks an ankle in a rut.

I can take photo's with the best of them and would give anything to be out there shooting for just one day... and if it's that easy to get credentials, then maybe I'll give it a shot.
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Bad luck for Bubba as he is probably the only rider out there who would lose focus and wad it up over something as minor as...
Bad luck for Bubba as he is probably the only rider out there who would lose focus and wad it up over something as minor as that.
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mx317 6/3/2012 6:40am
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U3 wrote:
It's really unbelievable and a shame what some people post on here! Obviously most guys here never raced their whole life or just stupid! If you...
It's really unbelievable and a shame what some people post on here!
Obviously most guys here never raced their whole life or just stupid!

If you think you're going that fast over a stepdown and a guy right in your landing doesn't distract you, that I just don't know what to say...
But most of those stupids probably didn't even saw where that landing was...
Just a hint, look in the second video in the beginning of that post. Stewarts reaction in his video was right and honest, just told it like it was. Hats off...

It's just embarrassing what most people post here. Thanks a lot that there are still some people with working brains.

And before you think something wrong, I'm definitly not a Stewart fan....
"But most of those stupids probably didn't even saw where that landing was..."

The irony
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jleews6 6/3/2012 6:51am
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Shit, I give up. A rider has to dodge an idiot crossing the racetrack, gets off into a bunch of mud and ruts at speed and...
Shit, I give up. A rider has to dodge an idiot crossing the racetrack, gets off into a bunch of mud and ruts at speed and crashes, and it's an "unforced error" to some people.

I guess you just can't fix stupidity. You watch the video, and he's jumping directly at this guy, has to go left into the deep ruts and falls down trying to get into the next turn. But it's an "unforced error". I guess it's only a "forced error" if he'd actually hit the guy - but then people would rag him saying "The track is 30 feet wide and the guy is only 2 feet wide, why didn't you miss him?"
Don't forget that most people watching the go pro couldn't go as fast as James on his sight lap so they have no clue as to how fast stuff happens at his speed.
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DoctorJD 6/3/2012 7:03am
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U3 wrote:
It's really unbelievable and a shame what some people post on here! Obviously most guys here never raced their whole life or just stupid! If you...
It's really unbelievable and a shame what some people post on here!
Obviously most guys here never raced their whole life or just stupid!

If you think you're going that fast over a stepdown and a guy right in your landing doesn't distract you, that I just don't know what to say...
But most of those stupids probably didn't even saw where that landing was...
Just a hint, look in the second video in the beginning of that post. Stewarts reaction in his video was right and honest, just told it like it was. Hats off...

It's just embarrassing what most people post here. Thanks a lot that there are still some people with working brains.

And before you think something wrong, I'm definitly not a Stewart fan....
mx317 wrote:
"But most of those stupids probably didn't even saw where that landing was..."

The irony
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Bad luck for Bubba as he is probably the only rider out there who would lose focus and wad it up over something as minor as...
Bad luck for Bubba as he is probably the only rider out there who would lose focus and wad it up over something as minor as that.
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rpoint116 6/3/2012 8:09am
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Motodude wrote:
..so, what if it was a tuff block in the middle of the track?? James has cat like reflexes... he didnt have to crash.
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The guy didn't cause him to crash but it was a distraction. How hard is that to understand? Like to see you hit a jump going...
The guy didn't cause him to crash but it was a distraction. How hard is that to understand?

Like to see you hit a jump going that fast and have some dude in the middle of the track. Might make you freeze up for a split second.

Ultimately, he took another line that he normally wouldn't have, had the guy not be walking across the track.

Did the guy make him crash, no. But did him walking across the track break James' concentration, I think so.
I totally see both sides.

I mean how often to riders race around, onto, into off of, high speed areas & thier is a downed rider in their way. It happens & they have to negotiate thier line. So do riders always fall after passing a downed rider?

It seems James was well past the photog when he missed his line, cross rutted or whatever. However, the go pro footage slows thing down & he was haulin.

If it was so scetchy or hazardous maybe he should have backed down a half-notch. This seems to have always been his problem. Even the commentators compare "the OLD James to the NEW James".

7 looks AWESOME on that Suzuki.

Get well soon.
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yzmatt 6/3/2012 8:56am
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I totally see both sides. I mean how often to riders race around, onto, into off of, high speed areas & thier is a downed rider...
I totally see both sides.

I mean how often to riders race around, onto, into off of, high speed areas & thier is a downed rider in their way. It happens & they have to negotiate thier line. So do riders always fall after passing a downed rider?

It seems James was well past the photog when he missed his line, cross rutted or whatever. However, the go pro footage slows thing down & he was haulin.

If it was so scetchy or hazardous maybe he should have backed down a half-notch. This seems to have always been his problem. Even the commentators compare "the OLD James to the NEW James".

7 looks AWESOME on that Suzuki.

Get well soon.
This.

All the people that just absolutely KNOW for sure one way or the other are hysterical. Wall to wall know-it-alls up in here.....

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