Has anyone ever opened a dealership?

Denn700
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Edited Date/Time 5/16/2012 5:23am
My city has about 500,000 people. There is two Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha dealerships , one Honda and zero KTM dealerships. I am seriously thinking about opening some kind of dealership but don't know where to start or what I can do. Any suggestions?
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5/13/2012 4:41pm
Denn700 wrote:
My city has about 500,000 people. There is two Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha dealerships , one Honda and zero KTM dealerships. I am seriously thinking about opening...
My city has about 500,000 people. There is two Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha dealerships , one Honda and zero KTM dealerships. I am seriously thinking about opening some kind of dealership but don't know where to start or what I can do. Any suggestions?
Go in with low over head and Do KTM and Husky, or KTM and Honda. Again do not get a lot of over head.
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5/13/2012 4:45pm
Just guessing here but you might find franchise info on google for the basics. Then there are probably minimum standards the franchisers want like money and experience. With the economy the way it is it would be tough and its always a good way to kill your love for the sport.
5/13/2012 4:48pm
KTM and polaris is decent combo too. I think there is more money in quads and side by sides than MX bikes, as much as I hate to say it. Racers tend to want handouts more often.
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5/13/2012 5:01pm Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 5:14pm
Starting sutch a business in these times is like doing bungeejumping with an overused rope. It's a big risk.
I work at a Suzuki marine shop and the sales are quite terrible, altough motocrossers/enduro riders are very passionate about their sport compared to people doing watersports. They are still willing to spend money on their passion.
It's not only bikes tough. There are things like gear, aftermarket stuff, maintenance products and the workshop income from repairs 'n stuff.

It's a gamble...

And i don't think KTM is very 'easy going' on dealerships. They have quotas to make and since they are investing allot in the US market atm i think those quotas are not something to laugh with.

If Dungey takes the outdoors you are golden tough, allot of ignorrant people believe a brand is the best because it made championships.


http://www.ktm.com/us/dealer-service/become-a-ktm-dealer.html

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5/13/2012 5:03pm
Your're gonna need at the minimum a 250k LOC. This amount will be driven by the inventory required to get the dealership. Plus start up cash for infrastructure. Then daily operating cash. Hard work and dedication 24/7. Do not forget location-location and location
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5/13/2012 5:37pm
before even considering this i'd recommend working in one of your local dealerships for a year at least.

if you're investing 250k +, a 1 year trade off for in world experience in the functions would be totally worthwhile.

seems like a very tough time to open one to me. it's driven by play money spending. play money is something most people do not have in abundance right now.
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5/13/2012 5:47pm
willie838 wrote:
before even considering this i'd recommend working in one of your local dealerships for a year at least. if you're investing 250k +, a 1 year...
before even considering this i'd recommend working in one of your local dealerships for a year at least.

if you're investing 250k +, a 1 year trade off for in world experience in the functions would be totally worthwhile.

seems like a very tough time to open one to me. it's driven by play money spending. play money is something most people do not have in abundance right now.
This ^ then you will learn a solo ktm dealer isnt a good investment. There are multiple reasons why, but too top it off their product line is limited. There is a reason powerhouse (solo line) dealers are on the out. Van Wilders dad said it best: "sometimes in life you have to realize a poor investment, and simply cut your losses"

On top of that, i guarantee the other existing dealers have contemplated adding ktm, and they havent in your area for a reason
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5/13/2012 5:55pm
How do you make a million $bucks in the bike business? Start with two! The retail motorcycle business is very, very tough, and floorlines and overhead can make it near impossible, unless you have very cheap rent.
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5/13/2012 6:34pm
mxnick wrote:
How do you make a million $bucks in the bike business? Start with two! The retail motorcycle business is very, very tough, and floorlines and overhead...
How do you make a million $bucks in the bike business? Start with two! The retail motorcycle business is very, very tough, and floorlines and overhead can make it near impossible, unless you have very cheap rent.
Been there, done that. Wouldn't do it again
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5/13/2012 6:45pm
Are you rural or urban? Urban you'll make your money in street bikes and cruisers.

Rural you'll make your money in atv's and side by sides. Polaris would be a great addition for a rural dealer. Take care of your farmers and they'll keep your pockets lined.

I've worked at 3 different dealerships, 2 successful one not so much, and I made more money selling Polaris than anything else.

There's no money in dirt bikes. Everyone wants the newest bikes and a "deal." That's a whole 'bother thread though.

Most of all... You'll need a lot of luck, a little skill, and a never give up attitude to make it.

Best of luck to you though!
5/13/2012 6:55pm
Used to deal weed to the preppy types in my high school. Made some good coin for a while till I got busted! Grinning
Seriously, in this economy a dealership doesn't sound like a good investment at all!
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5/13/2012 6:58pm Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 7:07pm
I know a local multi line dealer that picked up a ktm dealership 3-5 years ago.. He said when they sold what was on the floor he was done selling ktm @ wasn't planning on ordering anymore.. Don't quote me exact but he said as of last year ktm had forced them to order packages of (12-15???) bikes at a time..

What Ride154 said is a good idea.. Farmers need to write off equipment on taxes and are willing to spend the cash.. John Deere would be good to give a thought if farmers are plentiful.
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WeiserGuy wrote:
I know a local multi line dealer that picked up a ktm dealership 3-5 years ago.. He said when they sold what was on the floor...
I know a local multi line dealer that picked up a ktm dealership 3-5 years ago.. He said when they sold what was on the floor he was done selling ktm @ wasn't planning on ordering anymore.. Don't quote me exact but he said as of last year ktm had forced them to order packages of (12-15???) bikes at a time..

What Ride154 said is a good idea.. Farmers need to write off equipment on taxes and are willing to spend the cash.. John Deere would be good to give a thought if farmers are plentiful.
I wouldn't be suprised with those 'forced packages'.
My boss spit out Yamaha marine because they wanted a big showroom and x-ammount of units in it, and he had to let go of Suzuki. Yamaha marine did not tolerate another brand in their showroom. All of that had to be financed by him....

He spit out Yamaha and went Suzuki only. Grinning

Big showrooms don't help sell units. Good and payable service wil. Financing a big showroom and all those units forces
us to ask more for repairs and maintenance. Basicly the costumer always pays for the big and shiny showroom, most of the time at a cost of good service.
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5/13/2012 7:28pm
WeiserGuy wrote:
I know a local multi line dealer that picked up a ktm dealership 3-5 years ago.. He said when they sold what was on the floor...
I know a local multi line dealer that picked up a ktm dealership 3-5 years ago.. He said when they sold what was on the floor he was done selling ktm @ wasn't planning on ordering anymore.. Don't quote me exact but he said as of last year ktm had forced them to order packages of (12-15???) bikes at a time..

What Ride154 said is a good idea.. Farmers need to write off equipment on taxes and are willing to spend the cash.. John Deere would be good to give a thought if farmers are plentiful.
We have a hard time getting enough KTM's to sell; don't know whether it's location or what but we sell the full line of street and dirt.
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5/13/2012 8:42pm
Denn700 wrote:
My city has about 500,000 people. There is two Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha dealerships , one Honda and zero KTM dealerships. I am seriously thinking about opening...
My city has about 500,000 people. There is two Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha dealerships , one Honda and zero KTM dealerships. I am seriously thinking about opening some kind of dealership but don't know where to start or what I can do. Any suggestions?
Hey Denny, I hear the man who owns Bossier Yamaha is ready to retire. He's been in business 30 + years. He's waiting on a serious offer I hear. Close to the air force base, he gets lots of business. Just to think about.
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I have heard that to Mike. I may look into it. The ktm dealership by your first track went broke but ktm wasn't near as popular as they are today. Since I got hurt I have been playing reflex and alive add Denn827 to your list. I know you play all the time. I still play under Denn700 every now and then too that is the ps3 in my bedroom.
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5/14/2012 6:01am
Denn700 wrote:
I have heard that to Mike. I may look into it. The ktm dealership by your first track went broke but ktm wasn't near as popular...
I have heard that to Mike. I may look into it. The ktm dealership by your first track went broke but ktm wasn't near as popular as they are today. Since I got hurt I have been playing reflex and alive add Denn827 to your list. I know you play all the time. I still play under Denn700 every now and then too that is the ps3 in my bedroom.
Will do
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5/14/2012 6:02am
Denn700 wrote:
My city has about 500,000 people. There is two Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha dealerships , one Honda and zero KTM dealerships. I am seriously thinking about opening...
My city has about 500,000 people. There is two Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha dealerships , one Honda and zero KTM dealerships. I am seriously thinking about opening some kind of dealership but don't know where to start or what I can do. Any suggestions?
CCMX wrote:
Hey Denny, I hear the man who owns Bossier Yamaha is ready to retire. He's been in business 30 + years. He's waiting on a serious...
Hey Denny, I hear the man who owns Bossier Yamaha is ready to retire. He's been in business 30 + years. He's waiting on a serious offer I hear. Close to the air force base, he gets lots of business. Just to think about.
And that can most often times be the best way to go. Everything is in place and money is already coming in the door. Eliminates so many problems associated with a new business.
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5/14/2012 6:10am Edited Date/Time 5/14/2012 6:12am
mxnick wrote:
How do you make a million $bucks in the bike business? Start with two! The retail motorcycle business is very, very tough, and floorlines and overhead...
How do you make a million $bucks in the bike business? Start with two! The retail motorcycle business is very, very tough, and floorlines and overhead can make it near impossible, unless you have very cheap rent.
mom241 wrote:
Been there, done that. Wouldn't do it again
In high school worked at the local Honda dealer.
Later bought/sold used bikes and did repairs, out of my home.
I built a Yamaha-Honda dealership from scratch in a low overhead area.
The local economy took a 5-year dump and I bailed.
Don't miss it at all.
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5/14/2012 2:36pm
mxnick wrote:
How do you make a million $bucks in the bike business? Start with two! The retail motorcycle business is very, very tough, and floorlines and overhead...
How do you make a million $bucks in the bike business? Start with two! The retail motorcycle business is very, very tough, and floorlines and overhead can make it near impossible, unless you have very cheap rent.
mom241 wrote:
Been there, done that. Wouldn't do it again
Highsider wrote:
In high school worked at the local Honda dealer. Later bought/sold used bikes and did repairs, out of my home. I built a Yamaha-Honda dealership from...
In high school worked at the local Honda dealer.
Later bought/sold used bikes and did repairs, out of my home.
I built a Yamaha-Honda dealership from scratch in a low overhead area.
The local economy took a 5-year dump and I bailed.
Don't miss it at all.
Highsider - That's why you were always nice when i saw you at a national !!!

Denn700 - Do you really love MX ? Are you really into dirt bikes ?? Do you have a LOT of extra money ??
If you answered yes to the first 2 questions........stop now.
If you answered yes to the 3rd question.........think long and hard about how you wish to invest it.

I have done it twice. Some on this forum know me from that. If you have an appetite for VERY long hours and a 5 year window it might be worth the effort. Others have thrown around $250k to start.......plan for more....much more and little or no income for 24-36 mos.

When it is rolling there is nothing better but during challenging times like these a stand alone KTM or KTM/Polaris dual won't be easy. If you really want to be in the industry there are other ways in that require less capital and might offer a more rewarding experience.

Maybe you should try being a race promoter....DC says that's a cake walk.
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5/14/2012 3:42pm
Yes, please do open a dealership. So that I can come in and try on helmets and boots and then go order them on line.

Sorry to say, but the concept of a motorcycle dealership as we know it has been dead and dying for some time. Everyone gets their stuff online.
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5/14/2012 5:17pm
mxnick wrote:
How do you make a million $bucks in the bike business? Start with two! The retail motorcycle business is very, very tough, and floorlines and overhead...
How do you make a million $bucks in the bike business? Start with two! The retail motorcycle business is very, very tough, and floorlines and overhead can make it near impossible, unless you have very cheap rent.
mom241 wrote:
Been there, done that. Wouldn't do it again
I second what mom241 says.
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5/14/2012 6:43pm Edited Date/Time 5/14/2012 6:46pm
Denn700 wrote:
My city has about 500,000 people. There is two Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha dealerships , one Honda and zero KTM dealerships. I am seriously thinking about opening...
My city has about 500,000 people. There is two Kawasaki, Suzuki, Yamaha dealerships , one Honda and zero KTM dealerships. I am seriously thinking about opening some kind of dealership but don't know where to start or what I can do. Any suggestions?
Whoever bases their economic future on a bunch of forum junkies(like me) clearly has no idea of what could come.
Now with that said....all the responses ALSO point at you better take on what you really know to do.
This thing is in the shitter.You would make more out of a food truck...no joke.
And 250K is no way close to what you would have to invest in what you are dreaming.
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5/14/2012 6:47pm
I think if someone was "franchise free" they could have more success my doing what they want. If I had the money I would start a used motorcycle shop with a couple of badass mechanics, street and dirt and buy those sweet deals off of craigslist and fix them up and sell them. Have the basics to starts, oils, bars sprockets tires and just build from there.
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5/14/2012 7:08pm
All the mfg's have a "Dealership Development" department...

Call the mfg that you're thinking about...however...

If you want Multi-line shop...forget about Honda unless u buy an existing shop & EVEN THEN... Make sure you have a Full & Complete Understanding of your Dealership Agreement.

Good Luck!
5/14/2012 11:39pm
I have never open a dealership but have have worked at six diffrent Dealers over the years and only one is still around.
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5/15/2012 6:42am
All three of these guys owned dealerships in 2005.

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5/15/2012 7:14am
I am a stock holder in a huge company and I don't really have to work for the rest of my life if I choose so. I just want to do this for fun but at the same time I don't want to lose money either.
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5/15/2012 7:41am
Denn700 wrote:
I am a stock holder in a huge company and I don't really have to work for the rest of my life if I choose so...
I am a stock holder in a huge company and I don't really have to work for the rest of my life if I choose so. I just want to do this for fun but at the same time I don't want to lose money either.
If I was in your situation I'd rather provide a place to ride for people. Then to open a dealership and be sucked into working tons of hours and not being able to ride/ or worry about going bust.
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add to your list that you DO NOT want to make tons of $$ and your on the right track.

People think that there is huge $$ being made in the MC industry. They are 100% wrong. You can make a decent living but not live in a mansion money. All of the shop owners that I know live very modestly.

People who work and own shops do it because they LOVE MOTORCYCLES ..... not for the $$$

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