Disaster in mexico?

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5/13/2012 8:40am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 8:42am
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I hear Michael went out and did the sight lap, and while it was dusty, he considered it rideable...I was told it was like a normal day at a track in So. Cal., but with sandy corners.

The riders who didn't ride yesterday got a fine, and start behind the riders who did qualify.

Latest news is that the some of the GP regulars are messing with Leib in practice...looking back and roosting, trying to park him in corners, etc.
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5/13/2012 8:43am
just Lieb or both him & Anstie & the mexicans ???
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GuyB wrote:
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I...
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I hear Michael went out and did the sight lap, and while it was dusty, he considered it rideable...I was told it was like a normal day at a track in So. Cal., but with sandy corners.

The riders who didn't ride yesterday got a fine, and start behind the riders who did qualify.

Latest news is that the some of the GP regulars are messing with Leib in practice...looking back and roosting, trying to park him in corners, etc.
true stories..... sucks every which way you look at it!
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If the teams were that concerned about there own safety surely they would have not gone, or at least voiced there concerns publicly.

As dodgy and as questionable it may be to hold a GP in Mexico , it sounds as though its simply about riders taking issue with the track conditions and nothing more. Of course if you're militantly against Guiseppe Luongo the 'safety' aspect lends itself to the usual criticism, whether the track prep is the responsibility of the Promoter or not.

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GuyB wrote:
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I...
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I hear Michael went out and did the sight lap, and while it was dusty, he considered it rideable...I was told it was like a normal day at a track in So. Cal., but with sandy corners.

The riders who didn't ride yesterday got a fine, and start behind the riders who did qualify.

Latest news is that the some of the GP regulars are messing with Leib in practice...looking back and roosting, trying to park him in corners, etc.
DL wrote:
true stories..... sucks every which way you look at it!
Searle doesnt seem to have a problem with him from their friendly banter on Twitter.
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5/13/2012 8:54am
ok so Herlings & Searl line up around 13th / 14th gate pic with their works bikes they SHOULD BE 3th / 4th into 1st corner so in the end not too bad Silly
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5/13/2012 8:56am
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Thirty-seven dismembered bodies dumped on Mexico highway: report
Thirty-seven dismembered bodies dumped on Mexico highway: report
I think that number has been bumped up to 49.
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5/13/2012 8:56am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 8:58am
GuyB wrote:
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I...
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I hear Michael went out and did the sight lap, and while it was dusty, he considered it rideable...I was told it was like a normal day at a track in So. Cal., but with sandy corners.

The riders who didn't ride yesterday got a fine, and start behind the riders who did qualify.

Latest news is that the some of the GP regulars are messing with Leib in practice...looking back and roosting, trying to park him in corners, etc.
Sad. What's this world coming to? Dirt bike riders that won't ride in dust. Scabs in motocross and Countries striking cause they spent all their money.
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5/13/2012 9:03am
jamma10 wrote:
If the teams were that concerned about there own safety surely they would have not gone, or at least voiced there concerns publicly. As dodgy and...
If the teams were that concerned about there own safety surely they would have not gone, or at least voiced there concerns publicly.

As dodgy and as questionable it may be to hold a GP in Mexico , it sounds as though its simply about riders taking issue with the track conditions and nothing more. Of course if you're militantly against Guiseppe Luongo the 'safety' aspect lends itself to the usual criticism, whether the track prep is the responsibility of the Promoter or not.
I'm militantly against Luongo because his only concern is his own financial fortune and he's perfectly willing to throw the riders, the teams, the sponsors and the reputation of the sport into any environment that'll advance that fortune. IMO, he's a cancer on the sport and I would never go to any race that he is running, including the specific nationals that he is apparently co-managing with DC.
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5/13/2012 9:07am
Quote from Tortelli after yesterday, via Youthstream PR...

“The riders took a decision not to race as a group, so it was their choice. I think the track was not as bad as they were saying. We are all professionals and I think that was not an entire professional choice, we’ve been working really hard to organize this GP and it is one of the best tracks in Mexico in these days. In the end it’s a question of communication, if they don’t want to race I can understand, but we need to find a solution, but the solution that happened today I don’t think it was the best one. We’ll do our best for tomorrow, as we have more material coming in to make it better. I’m also surprised because yesterday everybody when they saw the track they liked it, and then they came to me today saying that the lay out was not good, so that’s a big change in only one day.”
5/13/2012 9:10am
mac3-d wrote:
ok so Herlings & Searl line up around 13th / 14th gate pic with their works bikes they SHOULD BE 3th / 4th into 1st corner...
ok so Herlings & Searl line up around 13th / 14th gate pic with their works bikes they SHOULD BE 3th / 4th into 1st corner so in the end not too bad Silly
I don't think the terrain favours either desperately so it'll probably come down to start and mistakes. With that said it's likely to be soft initially since they've had to heavily water the track, so that might give Jeffrey the edge.

I reckon

1. Herlings
2. Searle
3. Leib
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5/13/2012 9:10am
Sounds as cartel activity, which is a real issue is some parts of Mexico, has little to nothing to do with this. The riders don't like the track or the conditions. http://www.mx-pure.com/archive/news-20090318095845-20120513032344.htm

So the rest of it is your imagination that the cartel violence has something to do with the event's problems yesterday.
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You guys are all cracking me up. You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South...
You guys are all cracking me up.

You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South Central right? Where dead bodies turn up all the time and genocide has been an ongoing problem for about oh say 50 years?



It's so funny how we choose to perceive things. You are no more likely to get robbed in Mexico than you are in a lot of places in America or any other country if you're going to the wrong places.

Im sorry that one racer got robbed but I have a good assumption how it may have went down. Racers tend to be pretty naive and often like to have "fun" while out on the road, opening the door for negative shit like getting robbed to go down. Ive seen it happen already twice this year and both times the riders were places they shouldnt have been.
You, sir, are an idiot. Genocide in LA? Do you even know what genocide is?? Jesus christ, I didn't realize it was possible to be that stupid. Yeah, LA is no safer than Mexico, sheesh.

How many times have 10, 20, 30 dismembered bodies been dumped in the streets in LA?? Surely that would be national news...

That literally was the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted anywhere on the internet. Good job.
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5/13/2012 9:13am
GuyB wrote:
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I...
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I hear Michael went out and did the sight lap, and while it was dusty, he considered it rideable...I was told it was like a normal day at a track in So. Cal., but with sandy corners.

The riders who didn't ride yesterday got a fine, and start behind the riders who did qualify.

Latest news is that the some of the GP regulars are messing with Leib in practice...looking back and roosting, trying to park him in corners, etc.
maybe they could get some of the local thugs to...umm..maybe not.
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5/13/2012 9:16am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 9:18am
GuyB wrote:
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I...
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I hear Michael went out and did the sight lap, and while it was dusty, he considered it rideable...I was told it was like a normal day at a track in So. Cal., but with sandy corners.

The riders who didn't ride yesterday got a fine, and start behind the riders who did qualify.

Latest news is that the some of the GP regulars are messing with Leib in practice...looking back and roosting, trying to park him in corners, etc.
Not giving any judgment here (I guess you have to be there and see for yourself, in the next hour we'll see on TV) but using facts to put what happened yesterday in perspective...

What we seem to have here is a combination of two specific situations :

- Steve Dixon is the only team owner who happens to also have been/be a GP promoter;

- Michael Lieb is originally a one-time fill-in rider who's surprising performance in Italy got him more GP's with Steve Dixon's team.

So Steve Dixon is more inclined to support the promoter/federation's position than any other team owner - and put pressure on his rider(s).

And Michael Lieb is more inclined to follow strictly his team's orders because he just got in and given a potentially decisive career opportunity.

Other riders may, and obviously do, have a different view of this.

Hopefully conditions will be better (I see all riders went out for warm up, in both classes) and they may have some good and safe racing there...
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5/13/2012 9:18am
You guys are all cracking me up. You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South...
You guys are all cracking me up.

You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South Central right? Where dead bodies turn up all the time and genocide has been an ongoing problem for about oh say 50 years?



It's so funny how we choose to perceive things. You are no more likely to get robbed in Mexico than you are in a lot of places in America or any other country if you're going to the wrong places.

Im sorry that one racer got robbed but I have a good assumption how it may have went down. Racers tend to be pretty naive and often like to have "fun" while out on the road, opening the door for negative shit like getting robbed to go down. Ive seen it happen already twice this year and both times the riders were places they shouldnt have been.
Here is the definition of a Jabroni :Jabroni A loser, poser, lame-ass.

One who talks the talk, but could never walk the walk.

One who talks shit and doesn't back it up, but rather ends up eating their shit in return.
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jamma10 wrote:
If the teams were that concerned about there own safety surely they would have not gone, or at least voiced there concerns publicly. As dodgy and...
If the teams were that concerned about there own safety surely they would have not gone, or at least voiced there concerns publicly.

As dodgy and as questionable it may be to hold a GP in Mexico , it sounds as though its simply about riders taking issue with the track conditions and nothing more. Of course if you're militantly against Guiseppe Luongo the 'safety' aspect lends itself to the usual criticism, whether the track prep is the responsibility of the Promoter or not.
WhKnuckle wrote:
I'm militantly against Luongo because his only concern is his own financial fortune and he's perfectly willing to throw the riders, the teams, the sponsors and...
I'm militantly against Luongo because his only concern is his own financial fortune and he's perfectly willing to throw the riders, the teams, the sponsors and the reputation of the sport into any environment that'll advance that fortune. IMO, he's a cancer on the sport and I would never go to any race that he is running, including the specific nationals that he is apparently co-managing with DC.
loungo does what loungo wants to do if you stand up to him its at your own peril.he has feathered his nest nicely.
i signed up to his live tv package on mx life for this year after watching the qualiying races at a mates last year.Then he just drops them so i have paid for something i am not getting , i have motors tv so watch the races on that.i have emailed them expressing my displeasure and guess what NO REPLY he is a robbing fat git and when we go to the british GP if i see him it may end with me being ejected from the track
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5/13/2012 9:25am
More news straight from the GP : there was indeed a killing and a dead body dumped on the road just by the track. Some Suzuki mechanics even saw the killing live !
The ambulance thing looks untrue.
There is a lot of heavy security in town.
Narco-gangs activities are present and brutal but the local population seems relatively untouched by the whole circus.
Apparently, Wolfgang Srb (FIM) and Giuseppe Luongo (Youthstream) are not present on the site (which gives more drama to the whole situation).
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You guys are all cracking me up. You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South...
You guys are all cracking me up.

You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South Central right? Where dead bodies turn up all the time and genocide has been an ongoing problem for about oh say 50 years?



It's so funny how we choose to perceive things. You are no more likely to get robbed in Mexico than you are in a lot of places in America or any other country if you're going to the wrong places.

Im sorry that one racer got robbed but I have a good assumption how it may have went down. Racers tend to be pretty naive and often like to have "fun" while out on the road, opening the door for negative shit like getting robbed to go down. Ive seen it happen already twice this year and both times the riders were places they shouldnt have been.
slumpstone wrote:
Here is the definition of a Jabroni :Jabroni A loser, poser, lame-ass. One who talks the talk, but could never walk the walk. One who talks...
Here is the definition of a Jabroni :Jabroni A loser, poser, lame-ass.

One who talks the talk, but could never walk the walk.

One who talks shit and doesn't back it up, but rather ends up eating their shit in return.
????

What are you on about?
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GuyB wrote:
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I...
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I hear Michael went out and did the sight lap, and while it was dusty, he considered it rideable...I was told it was like a normal day at a track in So. Cal., but with sandy corners.

The riders who didn't ride yesterday got a fine, and start behind the riders who did qualify.

Latest news is that the some of the GP regulars are messing with Leib in practice...looking back and roosting, trying to park him in corners, etc.
dkg wrote:
Sad. What's this world coming to? Dirt bike riders that won't ride in dust. Scabs in motocross and Countries striking cause they spent all their money.
I'm not sure I'd be so thrilled to ride in Mexico without an ambulance on site, but I won't even ride at a local track without an ambulance.
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5/13/2012 9:28am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 9:29am
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loungo does what loungo wants to do if you stand up to him its at your own peril.he has feathered his nest nicely. i signed up...
loungo does what loungo wants to do if you stand up to him its at your own peril.he has feathered his nest nicely.
i signed up to his live tv package on mx life for this year after watching the qualiying races at a mates last year.Then he just drops them so i have paid for something i am not getting , i have motors tv so watch the races on that.i have emailed them expressing my displeasure and guess what NO REPLY he is a robbing fat git and when we go to the british GP if i see him it may end with me being ejected from the track
The only way you'll see him at the british GP is if you give away your lifes saving to get into the pits.

And dont even THINK about taking your own alcohol near the track, he has squads of Gestapo walking around vanquishing all those who have spent hundreds to watch the GP and don't want to pay stupid money for drink that tastes like piss.

I wish the youthstream mafia would piss off and let someone who cares in charge of the GPs.
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Central America
... not so much.
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Xavier wrote:
Not giving any judgment here (I guess you have to be there and see for yourself, in the next hour we'll see on TV) but using...
Not giving any judgment here (I guess you have to be there and see for yourself, in the next hour we'll see on TV) but using facts to put what happened yesterday in perspective...

What we seem to have here is a combination of two specific situations :

- Steve Dixon is the only team owner who happens to also have been/be a GP promoter;

- Michael Lieb is originally a one-time fill-in rider who's surprising performance in Italy got him more GP's with Steve Dixon's team.

So Steve Dixon is more inclined to support the promoter/federation's position than any other team owner - and put pressure on his rider(s).

And Michael Lieb is more inclined to follow strictly his team's orders because he just got in and given a potentially decisive career opportunity.

Other riders may, and obviously do, have a different view of this.

Hopefully conditions will be better (I see all riders went out for warm up, in both classes) and they may have some good and safe racing there...
I get all that. I know Michael's trying to make a good impression, and he is paid to do a job. But if the conditions were truly horrible, I don't expect that he'd have gone out.
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5/13/2012 9:31am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 9:35am
GuyB wrote:
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I...
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I hear Michael went out and did the sight lap, and while it was dusty, he considered it rideable...I was told it was like a normal day at a track in So. Cal., but with sandy corners.

The riders who didn't ride yesterday got a fine, and start behind the riders who did qualify.

Latest news is that the some of the GP regulars are messing with Leib in practice...looking back and roosting, trying to park him in corners, etc.
Xavier wrote:
Not giving any judgment here (I guess you have to be there and see for yourself, in the next hour we'll see on TV) but using...
Not giving any judgment here (I guess you have to be there and see for yourself, in the next hour we'll see on TV) but using facts to put what happened yesterday in perspective...

What we seem to have here is a combination of two specific situations :

- Steve Dixon is the only team owner who happens to also have been/be a GP promoter;

- Michael Lieb is originally a one-time fill-in rider who's surprising performance in Italy got him more GP's with Steve Dixon's team.

So Steve Dixon is more inclined to support the promoter/federation's position than any other team owner - and put pressure on his rider(s).

And Michael Lieb is more inclined to follow strictly his team's orders because he just got in and given a potentially decisive career opportunity.

Other riders may, and obviously do, have a different view of this.

Hopefully conditions will be better (I see all riders went out for warm up, in both classes) and they may have some good and safe racing there...
Xavier you been around a long time surely you cant compare this

Yesterday





to this wich was more or less commonplace back in the day




Sureley it cant have been just about the dust? Was there something more to it?
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5/13/2012 9:33am
You guys are all cracking me up. You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South...
You guys are all cracking me up.

You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South Central right? Where dead bodies turn up all the time and genocide has been an ongoing problem for about oh say 50 years?



It's so funny how we choose to perceive things. You are no more likely to get robbed in Mexico than you are in a lot of places in America or any other country if you're going to the wrong places.

Im sorry that one racer got robbed but I have a good assumption how it may have went down. Racers tend to be pretty naive and often like to have "fun" while out on the road, opening the door for negative shit like getting robbed to go down. Ive seen it happen already twice this year and both times the riders were places they shouldnt have been.
LoL! What a crock!

You mention that racers are "naive"... look in the mirror!
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5/13/2012 9:34am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2012 9:37am
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What about all the times that bikes got stolen at US Nationals? Langston's entire transporter got stolen a week ago!!!! I say we cut the entire...
What about all the times that bikes got stolen at US Nationals? Langston's entire transporter got stolen a week ago!!!!

I say we cut the entire country of Mexico some slack. They have their problems but I don't think we completely understand what is going on at the GP at this point.
So in America they find 11 to 15 bodies decapitated and mutilated near the place people are racing, a body near the track entrance, no ambulance, shit conditions etc at the nationals?

I live in El Paso on the border and feel safe but you can't compare what's happening in Mexico to what happens here.

I pray none of those guys go to the local hospitals.
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loungo does what loungo wants to do if you stand up to him its at your own peril.he has feathered his nest nicely. i signed up...
loungo does what loungo wants to do if you stand up to him its at your own peril.he has feathered his nest nicely.
i signed up to his live tv package on mx life for this year after watching the qualiying races at a mates last year.Then he just drops them so i have paid for something i am not getting , i have motors tv so watch the races on that.i have emailed them expressing my displeasure and guess what NO REPLY he is a robbing fat git and when we go to the british GP if i see him it may end with me being ejected from the track
When you went to sign up, did you not check the scheduling to see what you were getting for your money?

In the UK if you park your car where you shouldn't you could be fined £60, you pay around £3.60 for a pint, handlebar grips cost about £10, a film at the cinema costs £7.50, popcorn another £4, a 90 minute Championship football game (not even the premiership) costs around £28!!

And yet Motocross fans continue to complain about being charged £4 to watch four races of GP Motocross streamed live from the other side of the world.
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5/13/2012 9:35am
GuyB wrote:
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I...
I hear from someone at the track that the European riders are mad because Michael Leib went out for the qualifying race yesterday. From what I hear Michael went out and did the sight lap, and while it was dusty, he considered it rideable...I was told it was like a normal day at a track in So. Cal., but with sandy corners.

The riders who didn't ride yesterday got a fine, and start behind the riders who did qualify.

Latest news is that the some of the GP regulars are messing with Leib in practice...looking back and roosting, trying to park him in corners, etc.
Xavier wrote:
Not giving any judgment here (I guess you have to be there and see for yourself, in the next hour we'll see on TV) but using...
Not giving any judgment here (I guess you have to be there and see for yourself, in the next hour we'll see on TV) but using facts to put what happened yesterday in perspective...

What we seem to have here is a combination of two specific situations :

- Steve Dixon is the only team owner who happens to also have been/be a GP promoter;

- Michael Lieb is originally a one-time fill-in rider who's surprising performance in Italy got him more GP's with Steve Dixon's team.

So Steve Dixon is more inclined to support the promoter/federation's position than any other team owner - and put pressure on his rider(s).

And Michael Lieb is more inclined to follow strictly his team's orders because he just got in and given a potentially decisive career opportunity.

Other riders may, and obviously do, have a different view of this.

Hopefully conditions will be better (I see all riders went out for warm up, in both classes) and they may have some good and safe racing there...
Xavier, Michael made the decision to ride the qualy race 100% on his own. Steve would have supported him either way. FYI Simpson did not ride MX1.
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5/13/2012 9:37am
And Dixons not the only manager promoter for what its worth
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5/13/2012 9:38am
You guys are all cracking me up. You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South...
You guys are all cracking me up.

You do know that the X-Games is held in downtown Los Angeles right? Literally about 2 minutes from South Central right? Where dead bodies turn up all the time and genocide has been an ongoing problem for about oh say 50 years?



It's so funny how we choose to perceive things. You are no more likely to get robbed in Mexico than you are in a lot of places in America or any other country if you're going to the wrong places.

Im sorry that one racer got robbed but I have a good assumption how it may have went down. Racers tend to be pretty naive and often like to have "fun" while out on the road, opening the door for negative shit like getting robbed to go down. Ive seen it happen already twice this year and both times the riders were places they shouldnt have been.
slumpstone wrote:
Here is the definition of a Jabroni :Jabroni A loser, poser, lame-ass. One who talks the talk, but could never walk the walk. One who talks...
Here is the definition of a Jabroni :Jabroni A loser, poser, lame-ass.

One who talks the talk, but could never walk the walk.

One who talks shit and doesn't back it up, but rather ends up eating their shit in return.
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