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MT MX 5/9/2012 12:58pm
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I don't know much about Mike, but he sounds like a pretty good dude. He sounds kind of like (not trying to sound racist) but either black or white, no in betweeen, especially with the 'I have no money, but I'll give you a bike' part.
I wonder who he was talking about though with the baggage?(seriously)
TripleFive 5/9/2012 1:19pm
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Yeah, who had the baggage? Reedy?
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Yeah, who had the baggage? Reedy?
Dungey, obviously. Reed's team manager was DeCoster.
panic revver 5/9/2012 1:27pm
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I was wondering about that too. What the hell baggage did RD have?

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MT MX 5/9/2012 1:28pm
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Dungey, obviously. Reed's team manager was DeCoster.
DeCoster was still at Suzuki during Dungeys first year on the 450
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kongols 5/9/2012 1:29pm
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panic revver wrote:
I was wondering about that too. What the hell baggage did RD have?
Long time relationship, trust with Decoster.
panic revver 5/9/2012 1:32pm
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panic revver wrote:
I was wondering about that too. What the hell baggage did RD have?
kongols wrote:
Long time relationship, trust with Decoster.
Oh ok. That makes sense.
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jeffro503 5/9/2012 1:39pm
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That was a good interview for sure. Pretty cool that James asked to just race and not worry about the money part. Hope this is a big turn around for him and throws some spark back into his racing program.
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ab5772 5/9/2012 1:42pm
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Yeah. It seemed to be fairly well known that Dungey lost a lot if faith in the Suzuki program when Decoster left. The bike problems throughout the year didn't exactly help that situation either.

I'm a Dungey fan, but I'm excited to see Stewie on a Suzuki. Bring on Hangtown!
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Sandberm 5/9/2012 1:43pm
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That baggage comment sounded douchy. Whats the point of it?

When asked about metcalfs last few races he said Metty had some crashes. Didnt his bike also break once or twice in those last half dozen races?
panic revver 5/9/2012 1:51pm
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That baggage comment sounded douchy. Whats the point of it? When asked about metcalfs last few races he said Metty had some crashes. Didnt his bike...
That baggage comment sounded douchy. Whats the point of it?

When asked about metcalfs last few races he said Metty had some crashes. Didnt his bike also break once or twice in those last half dozen races?
The point was to show that they are starting from ground zero and not where he and Dungey started. Don't read so much into it.
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Sherwood 5/9/2012 1:59pm
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panic revver wrote:
I was wondering about that too. What the hell baggage did RD have?
Rumour actually had Dungey trying to get out of his Suzuki contract when RogerD left. Not a good trust building exercise when it comes to getting a new team manager.
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Sounds like a real good guy, and he had a very tough year last year. But he obviously has the stick-to-it quality that a team manager has to have, even when things don't go well. Fix what broke, make sure it doesn't break again, and get back out there and race. And he sounds like a no-drama guy, and that's what James needs.
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That baggage (Dungey) won Suzuki four (Lites SX, Lite MX, SX, and MX) championships. He is butt hurt. I have never read an interview with him prior to today and one was one too many.
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fader418 5/9/2012 7:36pm
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All I know is there have been alot of DNF's since Rog left.
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stackman17 wrote:
That baggage (Dungey) won Suzuki four (Lites SX, Lite MX, SX, and MX) championships. He is butt hurt. I have never read an interview with him...
That baggage (Dungey) won Suzuki four (Lites SX, Lite MX, SX, and MX) championships. He is butt hurt. I have never read an interview with him prior to today and one was one too many.
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dirtnapper 5/9/2012 7:46pm
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fader418 wrote:
All I know is there have been alot of DNF's since Rog left.
Agreed.
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panic revver wrote:
I was wondering about that too. What the hell baggage did RD have?
kongols wrote:
Long time relationship, trust with Decoster.
bingo...comfort zone with roger too played a big part.

man what do we have to do for these twits atround here kongol...draw some pictures or something? Smile

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panic revver wrote:
I was wondering about that too. What the hell baggage did RD have?
kongols wrote:
Long time relationship, trust with Decoster.
BobbyM wrote:
bingo...comfort zone with roger too played a big part. man what do we have to do for these twits atround here kongol...draw some pictures or something...
bingo...comfort zone with roger too played a big part.

man what do we have to do for these twits atround here kongol...draw some pictures or something? Smile
Bobby your're out here in Az? If so you ever make it out to any local races to hang out?
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kongols wrote:
Long time relationship, trust with Decoster.
BobbyM wrote:
bingo...comfort zone with roger too played a big part. man what do we have to do for these twits atround here kongol...draw some pictures or something...
bingo...comfort zone with roger too played a big part.

man what do we have to do for these twits atround here kongol...draw some pictures or something? Smile
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Bobby your're out here in Az? If so you ever make it out to any local races to hang out?
yes...et sometimes for practice and watch some buddies ride
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rocrac 5/10/2012 10:34am
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stackman17 wrote:
That baggage (Dungey) won Suzuki four (Lites SX, Lite MX, SX, and MX) championships. He is butt hurt. I have never read an interview with him...
That baggage (Dungey) won Suzuki four (Lites SX, Lite MX, SX, and MX) championships. He is butt hurt. I have never read an interview with him prior to today and one was one too many.
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x3 douche move. You didn't hear Dungey whining about losing two championship because of mechanicals no wonder he fled to KTM.
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MT MX 5/10/2012 10:49am
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If all of this is true about Dungey (and I'm not saying it is or isn't) is that really a wise move by Ryan to rely on Roger so much?
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MT MX wrote:
If all of this is true about Dungey (and I'm not saying it is or isn't) is that really a wise move by Ryan to rely...
If all of this is true about Dungey (and I'm not saying it is or isn't) is that really a wise move by Ryan to rely on Roger so much?
What's wrong with relying on the best? More interesting to me is that if I recall Roger's departure from Suzuki had something to do with length of contract (i.e. it would only be for 1 year). Given the change to Yoshimura a year later it seems the Yoshimura deal was probably in concrete or at least stong consideration long before it was ever made known.

As for JS7. kudos to him for racing for free. There isn't a better way to prove your value than to show it up front without the expectation of being compensated.
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MT MX 5/10/2012 1:18pm
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MT MX wrote:
If all of this is true about Dungey (and I'm not saying it is or isn't) is that really a wise move by Ryan to rely...
If all of this is true about Dungey (and I'm not saying it is or isn't) is that really a wise move by Ryan to rely on Roger so much?
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What's wrong with relying on the best? More interesting to me is that if I recall Roger's departure from Suzuki had something to do with length...
What's wrong with relying on the best? More interesting to me is that if I recall Roger's departure from Suzuki had something to do with length of contract (i.e. it would only be for 1 year). Given the change to Yoshimura a year later it seems the Yoshimura deal was probably in concrete or at least stong consideration long before it was ever made known.

As for JS7. kudos to him for racing for free. There isn't a better way to prove your value than to show it up front without the expectation of being compensated.
I knew after I posted that I was going to get crucified by at least one person.
I didn't really mean it to sound the way I probably made it out to be. I guess I just meant, so basically Ryan's racing career is and has always been centered around 1 person or mentor. What happens if Roger says tomorrow "I'm done, I need to step away"? It would just seem as if Ryan would be screwed, because he has put his whole professional career on one person's philosophies. In one way, it's very honorable, but is it a wise choice to not take advantage of other people's wisdom also? Take for instance, if Ryan would've went to Team 22 this year. I know Chad really wanted him and I think he could've given Ryan some things/guidance that Roger couldn't of.
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panic revver wrote:
I was wondering about that too. What the hell baggage did RD have?
Sherwood wrote:
Rumour actually had Dungey trying to get out of his Suzuki contract when RogerD left. Not a good trust building exercise when it comes to getting...
Rumour actually had Dungey trying to get out of his Suzuki contract when RogerD left. Not a good trust building exercise when it comes to getting a new team manager.
Agree, I don't think he is saying that Dungey is baggage, just the observation that Webb stepping into RD's shoes with Dungey dissappointed with Suzuki for not committing to RD and pretty much resolved to leave at the end of the contract is a pretty baggage laden situation. No body disputes that Dungey was not happy with Suzuki going into that relationship with his new team manager.
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stillwelding 5/10/2012 1:52pm
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Mike's a great guy and I'm sure he's accurate in his assessment. He's been around a long time and was the Suzuki Off-Road Team Manager for about 15 years. His brother Tom is the editor of Dirt Bike Magazine (where DeCoster used to work) and I'm sure he knows Roger and Dungey's background situation quite well. Honest opinions are never taken very well by the riding public, who'd carry the riders sack (who they hero worship) around the pits, if they were allowed to.
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dkg 5/10/2012 2:13pm
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MT MX wrote:
I knew after I posted that I was going to get crucified by at least one person. I didn't really mean it to sound the way...
I knew after I posted that I was going to get crucified by at least one person.
I didn't really mean it to sound the way I probably made it out to be. I guess I just meant, so basically Ryan's racing career is and has always been centered around 1 person or mentor. What happens if Roger says tomorrow "I'm done, I need to step away"? It would just seem as if Ryan would be screwed, because he has put his whole professional career on one person's philosophies. In one way, it's very honorable, but is it a wise choice to not take advantage of other people's wisdom also? Take for instance, if Ryan would've went to Team 22 this year. I know Chad really wanted him and I think he could've given Ryan some things/guidance that Roger couldn't of.
My apologies if it came off as crucifixion. That wasn't my intent. I read it basically the way you stated it above. I just posed the question of it really being a problem. Frankly, my impression is that Roger is definitely a mentor, given the similarities between Ryan/Roger in approach to racing, I am not surprised that Ryan would feel more comfortable with Roger than others. I suspect Ryan would and does take advantage of other's wisdom. At present, though it seems that there is a lot of synergy between the two Rs that will probably only need to be delt with as future circumstances dictate.

p.s. How's Montana, I spend a lot of time in the Missoula/Thompson Falls/Wallace Idaho area?
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stillwelding 5/10/2012 3:23pm
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MT MX wrote:
I knew after I posted that I was going to get crucified by at least one person. I didn't really mean it to sound the way...
I knew after I posted that I was going to get crucified by at least one person.
I didn't really mean it to sound the way I probably made it out to be. I guess I just meant, so basically Ryan's racing career is and has always been centered around 1 person or mentor. What happens if Roger says tomorrow "I'm done, I need to step away"? It would just seem as if Ryan would be screwed, because he has put his whole professional career on one person's philosophies. In one way, it's very honorable, but is it a wise choice to not take advantage of other people's wisdom also? Take for instance, if Ryan would've went to Team 22 this year. I know Chad really wanted him and I think he could've given Ryan some things/guidance that Roger couldn't of.
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My apologies if it came off as crucifixion. That wasn't my intent. I read it basically the way you stated it above. I just posed the...
My apologies if it came off as crucifixion. That wasn't my intent. I read it basically the way you stated it above. I just posed the question of it really being a problem. Frankly, my impression is that Roger is definitely a mentor, given the similarities between Ryan/Roger in approach to racing, I am not surprised that Ryan would feel more comfortable with Roger than others. I suspect Ryan would and does take advantage of other's wisdom. At present, though it seems that there is a lot of synergy between the two Rs that will probably only need to be delt with as future circumstances dictate.

p.s. How's Montana, I spend a lot of time in the Missoula/Thompson Falls/Wallace Idaho area?
What a great reply. You're a much nicer person than I.
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burnside 5/10/2012 4:19pm
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stackman17 wrote:
That baggage (Dungey) won Suzuki four (Lites SX, Lite MX, SX, and MX) championships. He is butt hurt. I have never read an interview with him...
That baggage (Dungey) won Suzuki four (Lites SX, Lite MX, SX, and MX) championships. He is butt hurt. I have never read an interview with him prior to today and one was one too many.
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Bloody Dunge-tards. Always so sensitive! Wink
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panic revver wrote:
I was wondering about that too. What the hell baggage did RD have?
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Long time relationship, trust with Decoster.
BobbyM wrote:
bingo...comfort zone with roger too played a big part. man what do we have to do for these twits atround here kongol...draw some pictures or something...
bingo...comfort zone with roger too played a big part.

man what do we have to do for these twits atround here kongol...draw some pictures or something? Smile
Funny.....

Coming from a person who said last year Dungey would never go to KTM because that would put him back in DeCoster's shadow.

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