What next for JGR?

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Edited Date/Time 4/16/2012 3:56pm
If the rumours about James leaving are all true what does it mean for JGR?

They have spent a few years building the Team up to a point where they can hire a title contender. They get arguably the biggest name, but certain contender, yet it all goes pear shaped. Moving forward and short term all the other contenders are in contracts or probably dont want a piece of the blue turd.

Do they get demoralised and say fuck it, i aint wasting any more of my money on this shit, or do they stick around until the next wave of fast kids arrive and try to bag one of them?

I hope they stick around, a team of their calibre does not come around often.
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4/14/2012 4:12pm
Whitey wrote:
If the rumours about James leaving are all true what does it mean for JGR? They have spent a few years building the Team up to...
If the rumours about James leaving are all true what does it mean for JGR?

They have spent a few years building the Team up to a point where they can hire a title contender. They get arguably the biggest name, but certain contender, yet it all goes pear shaped. Moving forward and short term all the other contenders are in contracts or probably dont want a piece of the blue turd.

Do they get demoralised and say fuck it, i aint wasting any more of my money on this shit, or do they stick around until the next wave of fast kids arrive and try to bag one of them?

I hope they stick around, a team of their calibre does not come around often.
I hope they stick around , quite a few young hungry new riders coming up! IMO.
4/14/2012 4:24pm Edited Date/Time 4/14/2012 4:26pm
They got good money from Yamaha. One can only assume the team is profitable at this moment in time. No need to close up shop. Ride it out as long as the checks are clearing.

And once Yamaha dumps the current bike, JGR should have no trouble attracting another ELITE level guy and make another run at a title.
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4/14/2012 4:37pm
There reputation has gotten pretty bad because of James performance this year as well as the Yamaha's reputation. Not what they were expecting when signing him on I'm sure and forking over that much money.
4/14/2012 4:40pm
they should get in on the 250 class. pick up some top rookies from LL. and use that as a feeder into their 450 program.

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4/14/2012 4:49pm
With as much money as they sunk into that 450 Yamaha they would make a perfect 250F team. After all, the up and coming regional class is the perfect place for $200,000.00 bikes. Where is that sarcasm emoticon when you need it??
4/14/2012 4:51pm
newmann wrote:
With as much money as they sunk into that 450 Yamaha they would make a perfect 250F team. After all, the up and coming regional class...
With as much money as they sunk into that 450 Yamaha they would make a perfect 250F team. After all, the up and coming regional class is the perfect place for $200,000.00 bikes. Where is that sarcasm emoticon when you need it??
mitch is doing just fine.
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they should get in on the 250 class. pick up some top rookies from LL. and use that as a feeder into their 450 program.
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JGR will be the next pro circuit!
4/14/2012 7:11pm
they should get in on the 250 class. pick up some top rookies from LL. and use that as a feeder into their 450 program.
that would make alot of sense.....i feel for that team at present but Davi seems to be riding the blue well..........
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4/14/2012 9:02pm
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JGR will be the next pro circuit!
X2 probably right.
Nobody's probably more puzzled than Coy and Coach Gibbs.
But being the exNFL guy the elder Gibbs is, I'm sure he inserted an out
for the team and Stewart.

Something's up with James. Not sure I can put my finger on any one thing.
I mean, here you have a guy that'll pull off moves on a track that no one else will,
and give himself an immed 2 sec advantage and then pull a boner like something
I'd do and crash himself out of the race. He's had his share of get offs like everyone else,
but not to this degree. Something's going on with James Stewart, outside of the fact the
comp has gotten faster and stronger.
Maybe it's time to follow Reed in his own team ownership??
Because from what I've witnessed this season....I'd be very hesitant
to sign Stewart to a ride. Is his star falling?
Shame....his skills & talent, James should have half a dozen titles by now.
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4/14/2012 9:06pm
Hard to say but most likely they do what all the money guy's do, they don't tolerate losing money, races and being disrespected and they move on.
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4/15/2012 5:42am
hore next contender and move on ..... water under the bridge.
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4/15/2012 6:08am Edited Date/Time 4/15/2012 6:10am
i doubt they will be the next pro circuit , they have a long way to go to get that many #1 plates , how many are they up to now anyways?
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4/15/2012 6:14am
Right or wrong the riders are generally and genuinely scared of that bike....

signing that 3 year deal might be a big issue moving forward... but then again the toyota thing might make it hard to go anywhere but kawi and they seem pretty happy where they are...
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4/15/2012 6:29am
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There reputation has gotten pretty bad because of James performance this year as well as the Yamaha's reputation. Not what they were expecting when signing him...
There reputation has gotten pretty bad because of James performance this year as well as the Yamaha's reputation. Not what they were expecting when signing him on I'm sure and forking over that much money.
While I respect and understand your opinin I personally feel the exact opposite.
Yes, I'm a huge JS7 fan...I always have been.

As I watched the season unfold last year I jumped on the POS Yamaha theory and shouted from the highest mountain with everybody else that it was the bikes fault. At A1 this year I felt somewhat vindicated by JGR's struggles with the bike...it had to be the bike!

Then a strange thing happened...the bike improved at the second round, and the third round and by the 4th round they were on the top of the box. The team and the bike looked tremendously better after only 4 weeks into the series.

In my opinion to have that obvious of a turn around in how well the motorcycle performs is a huge testement to the success and of a team in their behind-the-scenes work and progress. I'm not sure I've seen or heard of a team making that much progress within the couse of a season. Kaw had a similar result last summer in the outdoors but, that was a result of changing models years of bikes.

Despite their main rider not reaching the expectations they had at the beginning of the year the work of JGR has been no less than exceptional. James will be back when he's ready. They will put a run together and all the rumors and discontent will evaporate. The end result will be what we all ask for...success based not only on talent but also diligent effort and hard work. The team effort.
4/15/2012 7:06am
The bike (assuming it is the bike) didn't improve after the first rd - James looked horrible in LA. His results may have been better but ultimately it won't (and didn't) last unless the rider is comfortable. He looked much better and subsequently won rd 4 imo because the dirt was much softer, more tacky, than anything previously. If you're suffering with a lack of front end grip then obviously hard pack terrain is only going to exacerbate the issue.
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The bike (assuming it is the bike) didn't improve after the first rd - James looked horrible in LA. His results may have been better but...
The bike (assuming it is the bike) didn't improve after the first rd - James looked horrible in LA. His results may have been better but ultimately it won't (and didn't) last unless the rider is comfortable. He looked much better and subsequently won rd 4 imo because the dirt was much softer, more tacky, than anything previously. If you're suffering with a lack of front end grip then obviously hard pack terrain is only going to exacerbate the issue.
Frossard is riding the bike just fine. Maybe James should ride for Rinaldi yamaha in GPs.
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new bike?
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mccread wrote:
Frossard is riding the bike just fine. Maybe James should ride for Rinaldi yamaha in GPs.
Frossard got out of shape half a dozen times in round one. Didn`t look that good and that`s not even tight sx track.
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Rumors of Coy on "Dancing with the Stars".

4/15/2012 8:33am
The bike (assuming it is the bike) didn't improve after the first rd - James looked horrible in LA. His results may have been better but...
The bike (assuming it is the bike) didn't improve after the first rd - James looked horrible in LA. His results may have been better but ultimately it won't (and didn't) last unless the rider is comfortable. He looked much better and subsequently won rd 4 imo because the dirt was much softer, more tacky, than anything previously. If you're suffering with a lack of front end grip then obviously hard pack terrain is only going to exacerbate the issue.
mccread wrote:
Frossard is riding the bike just fine. Maybe James should ride for Rinaldi yamaha in GPs.
The factory YAMs on the GP circuit probably differ significantly to what is possibly on the AMA scene with the production rule. But even if that isn't the case and has nothing to do with it the fact remains that sometimes, for whatever reasons, bike and rider just fail to fully gel e.g Chad Reed and Kawasaki. Regardless of what's true I think it increasingly unlikely at this point that JS can turn it around now. Even if the bike is utterly blameless - unless his season dramatically improves, mentally..... James and JGR will be toast by Vegas.
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4/15/2012 8:48am Edited Date/Time 4/15/2012 8:51am
mccread wrote:
Frossard is riding the bike just fine. Maybe James should ride for Rinaldi yamaha in GPs.
kongols wrote:
Frossard got out of shape half a dozen times in round one. Didn`t look that good and that`s not even tight sx track.
Frossard looked as though he was suffering from arm pump to me.....not bike issues.It could have been a little bit of both....nerves setting in because of the first race of the season. Also.....I believe setting up a bike for the track at Valkensward ( spelling? ) would be a lot harder than setting up a bike for indoor SX.
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Frossard looked as though he was suffering from arm pump to me.....not bike issues.It could have been a little bit of both....nerves setting in because of...
Frossard looked as though he was suffering from arm pump to me.....not bike issues.It could have been a little bit of both....nerves setting in because of the first race of the season. Also.....I believe setting up a bike for the track at Valkensward ( spelling? ) would be a lot harder than setting up a bike for indoor SX.
Any of those mistakes Frossard made would have ended with him on a ground if it was Sx track. He couldn`t keep that thing straight.
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4/15/2012 9:08am
My personal experience with the past Yamaha's is that it's not a bad bike, but it's a little different and it's not for everyone. With that said, James has been on a Yamaha for many years, and if his bike isn't working for him, his input on setting up the bike makes him part of the failure.

I honestly think that James is at a troubled time in his career and he doesn't have the confidence in himself. It's mentality tough to go from easily besting the field, to fighting for a top five position. In fact, it's demoralizing, and he's looking for something that can fix that.

I hope he finds what he's looking for, but I don't believe the biggest problem is his choice of bikes.
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The bike (assuming it is the bike) didn't improve after the first rd - James looked horrible in LA. His results may have been better but...
The bike (assuming it is the bike) didn't improve after the first rd - James looked horrible in LA. His results may have been better but ultimately it won't (and didn't) last unless the rider is comfortable. He looked much better and subsequently won rd 4 imo because the dirt was much softer, more tacky, than anything previously. If you're suffering with a lack of front end grip then obviously hard pack terrain is only going to exacerbate the issue.
mccread wrote:
Frossard is riding the bike just fine. Maybe James should ride for Rinaldi yamaha in GPs.
Is Frossard riding it in SX?
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4/15/2012 9:19am
It might be in JGR's best interest to part ways. They would save a ton of money doing so. Of course, if that's what James wants to do then they should probably accept it.
I remember watching an interview the Coy Gibbs and he said they had to pony up quite a bit for James and it was a stressful contract negotiation.
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It might be in JGR's best interest to part ways. They would save a ton of money doing so. Of course, if that's what James wants...
It might be in JGR's best interest to part ways. They would save a ton of money doing so. Of course, if that's what James wants to do then they should probably accept it.
I remember watching an interview the Coy Gibbs and he said they had to pony up quite a bit for James and it was a stressful contract negotiation.
Coy said it was stressful because they wanted him very bad, and coach Gibbs would call Stewart very often telling him they wanted him.

On Pulpmx Jbone said to his surprise it was never about $ with James and he never tried to negotiate for more.

Stewart wanted a three year deal and thought JGR could get the bike to work better for him.

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