stewart parting ways with jgr?

jndmx wrote:

Appreciate your words, you are someone that usually posts good stuff as well. Here is where we differ; James is a human being that has a...

Appreciate your words, you are someone that usually posts good stuff as well.

Here is where we differ;

James is a human being that has a job racing motorcycles.
The police officers are human beings that have a job enforcing the law.

Yes the cops were wrong to be driving too fast.....but James was also wrong to pull up and flash blue lights at them.
You know what they about two wrongs......

Of course the law is not an absolute but there are some pretty clear lines that you can draw between what is legal and what is illegal.
We aren't talking about some esoteric concept of right and wrong.....we are talking about doing something that is illegal, kinda stupid and then being caught while doing it.
Yes it is "wrong" to break the law, you can try and dress it up with talk of social constructs and conditioning but that is just a lot of BS excuses.

And he is not a kid......I'm not sure why people keep saying that.
James was 26 when he did this the guy with him is in his late 30's.
That is not a couple teenagers pulling a prank, that is two men who did something dumb and got caught.

Now I am not trying to say that he is the only person to do something dumb, not by the longest of long shots.
Hell I have done some pretty stupid things in my life too.....but I don't try to justify them.

Ghost of Jabroni wrote:

I simply just dont put police officers on the same pedestal they would like me to believe they are. Behind that badge, they are human just...

I simply just dont put police officers on the same pedestal they would like me to believe they are. Behind that badge, they are human just like you and me. With and without certain flaws. And are in no real position to judge. Especially when they break the same laws we do.

They were breaking the law by speeding, and obviously there is more to the story. Simply blowing past Bubba wouldnt cause him to chase them down. They were either tailgating or weaving through traffic like they owned the joint. That is speculation on my part, but it is somewhat informed speculation.


Was pulling them over stupid? In hindsight, yes, but only cause they got caught. Which gets us into all sorts of philosophical debate over whether which is worse, the "crime" or getting caught. Often in our society, getting caught is seen as worse.

"Dumb" is very different than "wrong". Rape is wrong. Molestation is wrong. Abuse is wrong. Pulling over some asshole driver to tell them to slow down, isnt wrong. The only thing that made it "wrong" or "dumb" in most peoples eyes is that they ended up being cops.

And it certainly doesnt make Bubba an ASSHOLE or deserving of any of the bullshit he and his family get on these forums. Which is why I interjected myself into this conversation in the first place. We are all mx'ers at heart. Which means we ALL have a wild streak. We've all done stupid things that would be considered taboo or outside the limits of societies standards. None of us should be judging. Bubba started to take shit and look like an asshole the moment he started challenging RC. And from that moment on it was the RC vs Bubba fantard olympics. And most the RC fans are now Dungey or RV fans so its just carried right on over. Im assuming that despite our philosophical differences on right/wrong, we probably both agree with my last few statements here.




And the reason why many will say he is just a kid, is because at age 26, for a pro athlete (pro mxer no less), 26 is still a very young age between the ears. All pro entertainers and athletes that have been in the limelight since they were children will have some form of arrested development. That is just human nature. It comes with the territory. It's why athletes need handlers that keep them out of trouble until they reach "adulthood". And in my experience, with the athletes I know and have worked with, that doesnt come til the late 30s/early 40s in just about 95% of the cases. 26 to you and me is not 26 to a professional. You or I would be no different had we experienced that life. Some of us understand that, and its why there is some compassion for when these kids fuck up. Bubba's buddy in the car let him down. Big James should have better people surrounding Bubba IMO, but that has always been the case.

Ghost of Jabroni wrote:

I simply just dont put police officers on the same pedestal they would like me to believe they are. Behind that badge, they are human just...

I simply just dont put police officers on the same pedestal they would like me to believe they are. Behind that badge, they are human just like you and me. With and without certain flaws. And are in no real position to judge. Especially when they break the same laws we do.

They were breaking the law by speeding, and obviously there is more to the story. Simply blowing past Bubba wouldnt cause him to chase them down. They were either tailgating or weaving through traffic like they owned the joint. That is speculation on my part, but it is somewhat informed speculation.


Was pulling them over stupid? In hindsight, yes, but only cause they got caught. Which gets us into all sorts of philosophical debate over whether which is worse, the "crime" or getting caught. Often in our society, getting caught is seen as worse.

"Dumb" is very different than "wrong". Rape is wrong. Molestation is wrong. Abuse is wrong. Pulling over some asshole driver to tell them to slow down, isnt wrong. The only thing that made it "wrong" or "dumb" in most peoples eyes is that they ended up being cops.

And it certainly doesnt make Bubba an ASSHOLE or deserving of any of the bullshit he and his family get on these forums. Which is why I interjected myself into this conversation in the first place. We are all mx'ers at heart. Which means we ALL have a wild streak. We've all done stupid things that would be considered taboo or outside the limits of societies standards. None of us should be judging. Bubba started to take shit and look like an asshole the moment he started challenging RC. And from that moment on it was the RC vs Bubba fantard olympics. And most the RC fans are now Dungey or RV fans so its just carried right on over. Im assuming that despite our philosophical differences on right/wrong, we probably both agree with my last few statements here.




And the reason why many will say he is just a kid, is because at age 26, for a pro athlete (pro mxer no less), 26 is still a very young age between the ears. All pro entertainers and athletes that have been in the limelight since they were children will have some form of arrested development. That is just human nature. It comes with the territory. It's why athletes need handlers that keep them out of trouble until they reach "adulthood". And in my experience, with the athletes I know and have worked with, that doesnt come til the late 30s/early 40s in just about 95% of the cases. 26 to you and me is not 26 to a professional. You or I would be no different had we experienced that life. Some of us understand that, and its why there is some compassion for when these kids fuck up. Bubba's buddy in the car let him down. Big James should have better people surrounding Bubba IMO, but that has always been the case.

Ghost of Jabroni wrote:

I simply just dont put police officers on the same pedestal they would like me to believe they are. Behind that badge, they are human just...

I simply just dont put police officers on the same pedestal they would like me to believe they are. Behind that badge, they are human just like you and me. With and without certain flaws. And are in no real position to judge. Especially when they break the same laws we do.

They were breaking the law by speeding, and obviously there is more to the story. Simply blowing past Bubba wouldnt cause him to chase them down. They were either tailgating or weaving through traffic like they owned the joint. That is speculation on my part, but it is somewhat informed speculation.


Was pulling them over stupid? In hindsight, yes, but only cause they got caught. Which gets us into all sorts of philosophical debate over whether which is worse, the "crime" or getting caught. Often in our society, getting caught is seen as worse.

"Dumb" is very different than "wrong". Rape is wrong. Molestation is wrong. Abuse is wrong. Pulling over some asshole driver to tell them to slow down, isnt wrong. The only thing that made it "wrong" or "dumb" in most peoples eyes is that they ended up being cops.

And it certainly doesnt make Bubba an ASSHOLE or deserving of any of the bullshit he and his family get on these forums. Which is why I interjected myself into this conversation in the first place. We are all mx'ers at heart. Which means we ALL have a wild streak. We've all done stupid things that would be considered taboo or outside the limits of societies standards. None of us should be judging. Bubba started to take shit and look like an asshole the moment he started challenging RC. And from that moment on it was the RC vs Bubba fantard olympics. And most the RC fans are now Dungey or RV fans so its just carried right on over. Im assuming that despite our philosophical differences on right/wrong, we probably both agree with my last few statements here.




And the reason why many will say he is just a kid, is because at age 26, for a pro athlete (pro mxer no less), 26 is still a very young age between the ears. All pro entertainers and athletes that have been in the limelight since they were children will have some form of arrested development. That is just human nature. It comes with the territory. It's why athletes need handlers that keep them out of trouble until they reach "adulthood". And in my experience, with the athletes I know and have worked with, that doesnt come til the late 30s/early 40s in just about 95% of the cases. 26 to you and me is not 26 to a professional. You or I would be no different had we experienced that life. Some of us understand that, and its why there is some compassion for when these kids fuck up. Bubba's buddy in the car let him down. Big James should have better people surrounding Bubba IMO, but that has always been the case.

JLong wrote:

Easily the most ridiculous thing I've EVER read. Congrats.

BobbyM wrote:

maybe "little" james isn't the "problem" here.....

BobbyM wrote:

maybe "little" james isn't the "problem" here.....

robkinuk wrote:

The opposite of "little" is..............................................."Big!", see where your going brother and you may have something! Whilst the Stewart family is under scrutiny, this SX season has...

The opposite of "little" is..............................................."Big!", see where your going brother and you may have something!

Whilst the Stewart family is under scrutiny, this SX season has shown that Malcolm Stewart is very good practice rider, able to lay down fast lap times, but he isn't a racer!, hasn't yet learned how to read a race, as shown with his poor results in the East coast series.

Dezerted wrote:

Alessi and Stewart both have their dad's very involved in their career and both have seemingly under achieved, maybe Tony and big James should have back...

Alessi and Stewart both have their dad's very involved in their career and both have seemingly under achieved, maybe Tony and big James should have back off and just support and cheer for their children rather then trying to be their team manager and agent.

Dezerted wrote:

Alessi and Stewart both have their dad's very involved in their career and both have seemingly under achieved, maybe Tony and big James should have back...

Alessi and Stewart both have their dad's very involved in their career and both have seemingly under achieved, maybe Tony and big James should have back off and just support and cheer for their children rather then trying to be their team manager and agent.

jakefortyeight wrote:

Both have underachieved? You have got to be kidding. Putting Alessi and Bubba in the same sentence and implying they both share a similarity in underachievements...

Both have underachieved? You have got to be kidding. Putting Alessi and Bubba in the same sentence and implying they both share a similarity in underachievements is a joke. One of the only guys who has a real shot at breaking McGrath's SX win total, the guy who has a 24-0 perfect season and the guy who has the following titles:

2006 FIM World Supercross Grand Prix Champion

2007 FIM World Supercross Grand Prix Champion

2006 Motocross of Nations Champion

2008 Motocross of Nations Champion

2009 FIM World Supercross Champion
Regional finals
2003 AMA 125 West Supercross Champion


2004 AMA 125 East Supercross Champion
National finals
2002 AMA 125 Motocross National Champion

2004 AMA 125 Motocross National Champion

2007 AMA Supercross Champion

2008 AMA Motocross National Champion

2009 AMA Supercross Champion

Is an underachiever? Wow! Do I really need to say anything about Alessi except where and how many titles does he have?

I have no doubt that not only James, but his fans expected more, but to characterize James as an underachiever, let alone make an attempt to characterize that underachievement as even remotely the same as Alessi is so far out there, I really don't know what to say.....

jakefortyeight wrote:

Both have underachieved? You have got to be kidding. Putting Alessi and Bubba in the same sentence and implying they both share a similarity in underachievements...

Both have underachieved? You have got to be kidding. Putting Alessi and Bubba in the same sentence and implying they both share a similarity in underachievements is a joke. One of the only guys who has a real shot at breaking McGrath's SX win total, the guy who has a 24-0 perfect season and the guy who has the following titles:

2006 FIM World Supercross Grand Prix Champion

2007 FIM World Supercross Grand Prix Champion

2006 Motocross of Nations Champion

2008 Motocross of Nations Champion

2009 FIM World Supercross Champion
Regional finals
2003 AMA 125 West Supercross Champion


2004 AMA 125 East Supercross Champion
National finals
2002 AMA 125 Motocross National Champion

2004 AMA 125 Motocross National Champion

2007 AMA Supercross Champion

2008 AMA Motocross National Champion

2009 AMA Supercross Champion

Is an underachiever? Wow! Do I really need to say anything about Alessi except where and how many titles does he have?

I have no doubt that not only James, but his fans expected more, but to characterize James as an underachiever, let alone make an attempt to characterize that underachievement as even remotely the same as Alessi is so far out there, I really don't know what to say.....

pilotdude wrote:

Any time I see anyone quoting "FIM World Supercross" champion, it is an indication they don't know what's up. I race, I know a lot of...

Any time I see anyone quoting "FIM World Supercross" champion, it is an indication they don't know what's up. I race, I know a lot of racers, and I don't know anyone who thinks adding a couple Canadian rounds to the AMA supercross championship and calling it a completely different championship is legitimate.

Apparently, neither did the FIM, which is why the name was changed to "XXXX XXXXX, an FIM World Championship."

jakefortyeight wrote:

Both have underachieved? You have got to be kidding. Putting Alessi and Bubba in the same sentence and implying they both share a similarity in underachievements...

Both have underachieved? You have got to be kidding. Putting Alessi and Bubba in the same sentence and implying they both share a similarity in underachievements is a joke. One of the only guys who has a real shot at breaking McGrath's SX win total, the guy who has a 24-0 perfect season and the guy who has the following titles:

2006 FIM World Supercross Grand Prix Champion

2007 FIM World Supercross Grand Prix Champion

2006 Motocross of Nations Champion

2008 Motocross of Nations Champion

2009 FIM World Supercross Champion
Regional finals
2003 AMA 125 West Supercross Champion


2004 AMA 125 East Supercross Champion
National finals
2002 AMA 125 Motocross National Champion

2004 AMA 125 Motocross National Champion

2007 AMA Supercross Champion

2008 AMA Motocross National Champion

2009 AMA Supercross Champion

Is an underachiever? Wow! Do I really need to say anything about Alessi except where and how many titles does he have?

I have no doubt that not only James, but his fans expected more, but to characterize James as an underachiever, let alone make an attempt to characterize that underachievement as even remotely the same as Alessi is so far out there, I really don't know what to say.....

pilotdude wrote:

Any time I see anyone quoting "FIM World Supercross" champion, it is an indication they don't know what's up. I race, I know a lot of...

Any time I see anyone quoting "FIM World Supercross" champion, it is an indication they don't know what's up. I race, I know a lot of racers, and I don't know anyone who thinks adding a couple Canadian rounds to the AMA supercross championship and calling it a completely different championship is legitimate.

Apparently, neither did the FIM, which is why the name was changed to "XXXX XXXXX, an FIM World Championship."

Ghost of Jabroni wrote:

Um, Graphite, plenty of people thought he was an asshole (without good reason) long before that incident. And for the record, he pulled them over because...

Um, Graphite, plenty of people thought he was an asshole (without good reason) long before that incident.


And for the record, he pulled them over because THE COPS were the ones driving like assholes. He simply told them to slow down. Looking at that incident without socially conditioned lenses and what Bubba ACTUALLY DID is nothing to be considered an asshole for.

jndmx wrote:

[b]And for the record, he pulled them over because THE COPS were the ones driving like assholes. He simply told them to slow down. Looking at...

And for the record, he pulled them over because THE COPS were the ones driving like assholes. He simply told them to slow down. Looking at that incident without socially conditioned lenses and what Bubba ACTUALLY DID is nothing to be considered an asshole for.

I'm sorry but are you suggesting that James was in the right to turn on flashing lights and chase down another car on the highway?
The "socially conditioned lense" you are talking about is called the law......what he did was against the law.

Wow......just wow.

Ghost of Jabroni wrote:

jdmnx, I like you. You are a quality member, but you have totally missed my point. I'll break it down for you. James is a HUMAN...

jdmnx, I like you. You are a quality member, but you have totally missed my point.


I'll break it down for you.

James is a HUMAN BEING. The "police officer" is a HUMAN BEING. It doesnt matter who pulls who over. If YOU think its ok for a police officer to pull over another human being (that is driving like a dick), then it shouldnt really be an issue for James to pull over another human being and simply tell them they are driving like a dick. It's not like Bubba wrote them a ticket and took money from them. He simply told them to "slow down". No harm there. Really, James did nothing "wrong".

Hell, had he just been pulling a prank, I still wouldnt be condemning the kid. Kids pull pranks. Big deal. But this wasnt some case where he was just driving around fucking with people. Not even close.



As for my whole "socially conditioning" part. I dont think you got it. And I probably shouldnt even try to explain it to you. But on a simple level, I'll explain it like this... you refer to "the law" as if it is some sort of absolute right or wrong, when in fact, the law has nothing to do with actual right or wrong. Youre simply lead to believe it is. No rational person would ever equate right and wrong with the law. Really examine the laws in some states or countries and its easy to see that its an entirely subjective scale of judgement that has no basis on logic/reason. And to live by any "legal" definition of right/wrong is not only asinine but would only make sense to a person that has been socially conditioned by "the man" or "the matrix" or "the system" or whatever hippy-as-fuck term one likes to use.

jakefortyeight wrote:

Both have underachieved? You have got to be kidding. Putting Alessi and Bubba in the same sentence and implying they both share a similarity in underachievements...

Both have underachieved? You have got to be kidding. Putting Alessi and Bubba in the same sentence and implying they both share a similarity in underachievements is a joke. One of the only guys who has a real shot at breaking McGrath's SX win total, the guy who has a 24-0 perfect season and the guy who has the following titles:

2006 FIM World Supercross Grand Prix Champion

2007 FIM World Supercross Grand Prix Champion

2006 Motocross of Nations Champion

2008 Motocross of Nations Champion

2009 FIM World Supercross Champion
Regional finals
2003 AMA 125 West Supercross Champion


2004 AMA 125 East Supercross Champion
National finals
2002 AMA 125 Motocross National Champion

2004 AMA 125 Motocross National Champion

2007 AMA Supercross Champion

2008 AMA Motocross National Champion

2009 AMA Supercross Champion

Is an underachiever? Wow! Do I really need to say anything about Alessi except where and how many titles does he have?

I have no doubt that not only James, but his fans expected more, but to characterize James as an underachiever, let alone make an attempt to characterize that underachievement as even remotely the same as Alessi is so far out there, I really don't know what to say.....

Dezerted wrote:

Good kids with successful careers but could of and should of been more IMO. Yes IMO they underachieved.

jakefortyeight wrote:

So let me get this right. The guy who is complaining that an overbearing mini dad may have contributed to Alessi and Bubba's "Underachievement " is...

So let me get this right. The guy who is complaining that an overbearing mini dad may have contributed to Alessi and Bubba's "Underachievement " is not satisfied with how many Championships Bubba has won and therefore Bubba is an underachiever?

Really? No one would believe this if I made it up.

I love the people here!

burn1986 wrote:

Oh yeah, I'm wrong, he should have won. He doesn't need any time. JGR saw this, and they were right. Man, they and James had it...

Oh yeah, I'm wrong, he should have won. He doesn't need any time. JGR saw this, and they were right. Man, they and James had it pinned on this one.

I wonder which forum all these other people who know so much are posting on?

jakefortyeight wrote:

Both have underachieved? You have got to be kidding. Putting Alessi and Bubba in the same sentence and implying they both share a similarity in underachievements...

Both have underachieved? You have got to be kidding. Putting Alessi and Bubba in the same sentence and implying they both share a similarity in underachievements is a joke. One of the only guys who has a real shot at breaking McGrath's SX win total, the guy who has a 24-0 perfect season and the guy who has the following titles:

2006 FIM World Supercross Grand Prix Champion

2007 FIM World Supercross Grand Prix Champion

2006 Motocross of Nations Champion

2008 Motocross of Nations Champion

2009 FIM World Supercross Champion
Regional finals
2003 AMA 125 West Supercross Champion


2004 AMA 125 East Supercross Champion
National finals
2002 AMA 125 Motocross National Champion

2004 AMA 125 Motocross National Champion

2007 AMA Supercross Champion

2008 AMA Motocross National Champion

2009 AMA Supercross Champion

Is an underachiever? Wow! Do I really need to say anything about Alessi except where and how many titles does he have?

I have no doubt that not only James, but his fans expected more, but to characterize James as an underachiever, let alone make an attempt to characterize that underachievement as even remotely the same as Alessi is so far out there, I really don't know what to say.....

Dezerted wrote:

Good kids with successful careers but could of and should of been more IMO. Yes IMO they underachieved.

jakefortyeight wrote:

So let me get this right. The guy who is complaining that an overbearing mini dad may have contributed to Alessi and Bubba's "Underachievement " is...

So let me get this right. The guy who is complaining that an overbearing mini dad may have contributed to Alessi and Bubba's "Underachievement " is not satisfied with how many Championships Bubba has won and therefore Bubba is an underachiever?

Really? No one would believe this if I made it up.

I love the people here!

Lawrence929 wrote:

baha. I love this site. Plus the one I rode was sprung for a 250 pound dude. And I'm 160. Suspension is so overrated tho.. All...

baha. I love this site. Plus the one I rode was sprung for a 250 pound dude. And I'm 160. Suspension is so overrated tho.. All you need is a good pipe and a pro-circuit sticker. And to drink Monster, bro.

DirtyFilter75 wrote:

Your first name wouldn't be Wes would it?

Rooster wrote:

James and JGR are done. All that's left is the announcement to come out.

R-acer wrote:

As a James Stewart fan, I wouldn't mind if this was true. Only because JGR is stuck with yamaha, and I would love to see Stewart...

As a James Stewart fan, I wouldn't mind if this was true. Only because JGR is stuck with yamaha, and I would love to see Stewart OFF Yamaha...... so that means he needs to leave the team.

Lawrence929 wrote:

Yes lol. And the 24 seconds a lap off of Stewart was a knock on myself at how we would have no idea how a bike...

Yes lol. And the 24 seconds a lap off of Stewart was a knock on myself at how we would have no idea how a bike is working at his level...

jakefortyeight wrote:

Both have underachieved? You have got to be kidding. Putting Alessi and Bubba in the same sentence and implying they both share a similarity in underachievements...

Both have underachieved? You have got to be kidding. Putting Alessi and Bubba in the same sentence and implying they both share a similarity in underachievements is a joke. One of the only guys who has a real shot at breaking McGrath's SX win total, the guy who has a 24-0 perfect season and the guy who has the following titles:

2006 FIM World Supercross Grand Prix Champion

2007 FIM World Supercross Grand Prix Champion

2006 Motocross of Nations Champion

2008 Motocross of Nations Champion

2009 FIM World Supercross Champion
Regional finals
2003 AMA 125 West Supercross Champion


2004 AMA 125 East Supercross Champion
National finals
2002 AMA 125 Motocross National Champion

2004 AMA 125 Motocross National Champion

2007 AMA Supercross Champion

2008 AMA Motocross National Champion

2009 AMA Supercross Champion

Is an underachiever? Wow! Do I really need to say anything about Alessi except where and how many titles does he have?

I have no doubt that not only James, but his fans expected more, but to characterize James as an underachiever, let alone make an attempt to characterize that underachievement as even remotely the same as Alessi is so far out there, I really don't know what to say.....

pilotdude wrote:

Any time I see anyone quoting "FIM World Supercross" champion, it is an indication they don't know what's up. I race, I know a lot of...

Any time I see anyone quoting "FIM World Supercross" champion, it is an indication they don't know what's up. I race, I know a lot of racers, and I don't know anyone who thinks adding a couple Canadian rounds to the AMA supercross championship and calling it a completely different championship is legitimate.

Apparently, neither did the FIM, which is why the name was changed to "XXXX XXXXX, an FIM World Championship."