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Edited Date/Time 3/9/2012 2:26pm
I just received an e-mail from the AMA confirming RACER PRODUCTIONS/MX SPORTS (promoter of GNCC) will not be AMA sanctioned in 2012. Whats next?
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Well played, GNCC. Well played...
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What is this AMA you speak of?

There used to be a motorcycle thing called the AMA but I think they went out of business years ago. Huh
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REFEREE wrote:
I just received an e-mail from the AMA confirming RACER PRODUCTIONS/MX SPORTS (promoter of GNCC) will not be AMA sanctioned in 2012. Whats next?
Can you post the full text of the mail? Id be a lot happier if it was the MX side of stuff that MX Sports runs. That would mean no useless $50 a year for AMA membership to go to Lorettas.
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March 7, 2012

Recently, Racer Productions decided that the woods-racing events formerly known as the AMA-sanctioned Grand National Cross Country Series (GNCC) would not be sanctioned with the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) for 2012. As you can imagine, this unexpected news came as a disappointment to us and the racers who look to AMA competition as the gold standard for high-quality racing that is fair and fun to all who love competing on motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles.

We have attempted to work with Racer Productions since late last year, with the goal of keeping their woods-racing events under the AMA umbrella. Ultimately, the two parties could not find common ground, despite a recently signed 5-year agreement for Racer Production's sister company, MX Sports, to continue promoting the AMA Amateur Motocross National Championships.

Racer Productions has cited the recent $10 AMA dues increase for new members, to $49 a year, as the reason for its decision. However, existing AMA members can renew their memberships at the old level of $39 a year -- for up to three years -- through March 31, 2012.

Of course, there is no membership dues increase whatsoever for AMA Life Members, who pay no annual dues to enjoy AMA-sanctioned competition events and receive other benefits of AMA membership.

The membership dues increase was a difficult decision, especially in these challenging economic times. In fact, the AMA held fast to the $39 dues structure for 12 years, during which time the cost for everything associated with racing-not to mention the day-to-day costs of doing business-continued to rise.

We simply could not continue to serve the best interests of AMA members in 2012 while charging 1999 prices. The $10 increase-the price of less than 3 gallons of gas-allows us to deliver on the AMA mission of promoting the motorcycle lifestyle and protecting the future of motorcycling. At the same time, AMA members also will continue to enjoy AMA Roadside Assistance, American Motorcyclist magazine, money-saving benefits that can more than cover the cost of membership, along with access to AMA competition.
Although Racer Productions has dropped AMA event sanctions for its woods-racing series, they have stated they remain committed to the AMA. While the AMA and its members appreciate this verbal backing, the AMA needs more than words to succeed. We need real, concrete support to successfully defend your right to race.

Over the past decade, the threats to motorcycling have increased exponentially, and the AMA has been there fighting for your right to race. Most recently, AMA members helped defeat the so-called "lead law" that would have banned the sale of kids dirtbikes beginning this year.

This was an important victory not only for riders, but also for race promoters because, as you know, young riders represent a significant portion of the field on race day. Working together, AMA members, the motorcycle industry, motorcycle clubs and promoters defeated this ban. While there were many hands in this victory, we can assure you that grassroots-powered, individual member-based organizations hold the greatest sway on Capitol Hill, and the combined effort of individual AMA members was the primary force behind this win.

Without the lead law's defeat, the ability of youth-racing programs to produce the racers and riders of tomorrow would have vanished, and the livelihood of those in the race promotion business (including Racer Productions) would have been crippled.

On behalf of its members, the AMA remains proud of its part in this landmark victory. At the same time, preserving a fair model of amateur competition remains a core mission of the AMA.

As AMA racers, our competitors have a definitive link to nine decades of motorcycle competition heritage -- and the greatest racers this country has ever produced -- all of whom wrote their names in the history books as members of the AMA.

Of course, in addition to supporting the future of the sport, being a member of the AMA comes with significant other benefits, including: The right to compete in AMA-sanctioned series and events, from local hare scrambles to the country's premier off-road racing series, the AMA Rekluse National Enduro Championship and the AMA Kenda National Hare & Hound Championship.

•Only AMA members can win AMA National Championships and the unrivaled status that comes with an AMA National No. 1 plate.
•Access to AMA Roadside Assistance, which provides you with peace of mind when you travel, and covers personal vehicles, trailers and even street motorcycles when you're on the road.
•A subscription to American Motorcyclist magazine, which keeps you connected to the world of motorcycling and informs you of the battles we're fighting regionally and in Washington, D.C., as well as the quarterly AMA Racer supplement that highlights AMA amateur racers from all disciplines.
•Price savings benefits from a long list of partners, including parts suppliers, hotel chains and insurance in the form of the Rider Accident Medical Plan (RAMP).
•Exclusive access to events governed by the AMA Amateur Competition Rulebook, written by AMA Congress, the elected body of representatives from across the country. The AMA Amateur Competition Rulebook is only available to AMA-chartered clubs and promoters running AMA-sanctioned events.
Make no mistake. The forces aligned against motorcycling will act quickly to kill our sport at the first sign of a divided motorcycling community. Even though AMA membership is no longer a part of Racer Productions' non-sanctioned woods-racing events, we trust you will choose to still fight the good fight by remaining an AMA member.

Sincerely,

Rob Dingman
CEO/President
American Motorcyclist Association
13515 Yarmouth Drive
Pickerington, OH 43147

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3/7/2012 3:53pm
I am not renewing my AMA anymore. I will race at places that don't require it, which looks like more and more options by the day.
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3/7/2012 3:56pm
Interesting stuff. Wasn't it just a few years ago that the GNCC went AMA?
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If they publish the Salaries of the AMA employees, I will show exactly where to get that extra $10 from.
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3/7/2012 5:58pm Edited Date/Time 3/7/2012 5:59pm
really? All this over a $10 increase? But let me guess..... there will ba an MX Sports license they need to race?

But its ok that there are now 2 different licenses ... one for SX and one for MX .... at $500 each?
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$10 annual increase too much when most guys add a $700 exhaust system to a bike before they even ride it?
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I really couldn't give a shit. The AMA is irrelevant.
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UM....That is a statement from one side.

You think maybe there is more to it then the point of view of the AMA president that has been in charge during what is probably the biggest competition member loss in the AMA history?
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This is just the start IMO.

Over the next few years we will see more things like this and in the end we will have a bunch of so called National Races / Series competing with each other and turnouts at a all time low. Pretty much like what is going on already in Amatuer MX this spring.

All in all MxSports will try and strong arm who they can and I guess we will see how it turns out.
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How many sanctioning bodies are there in Cali?

dave you are correct the new term is "national"... pretty soon we will have a "national" every weekend. Why do they call it that? Oh yea thats right because AMA NATIONALS are what they are immitating.

what rules are they using oh thats right AMA rules which took years of development to work out.

Advancement, oh thats right thats AMA to.

GNCC will do fine i am sure. I said it before, funny how the people who have Benefitted the MOST off the AMA and it's process's jump ship because of a 10.00 fee? A couple other areas did the same when they pulled out of the districts, and now the AMA. Guess what, you have to be a member............what do you get for that?

It's simple to see who has strong opinions against AMA in here, just look at the state.

It works for us, and well the next time the government starts making up some bullshit law, AMA will be fighting it. When it gets to the point they can't anymore, good luck with the folks pulling out and lining thier pockets with your membership money.

See how much fight they have in them. and see if they matter.
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wardy wrote:
How many sanctioning bodies are there in Cali? dave you are correct the new term is "national"... pretty soon we will have a "national" every weekend...
How many sanctioning bodies are there in Cali?

dave you are correct the new term is "national"... pretty soon we will have a "national" every weekend. Why do they call it that? Oh yea thats right because AMA NATIONALS are what they are immitating.

what rules are they using oh thats right AMA rules which took years of development to work out.

Advancement, oh thats right thats AMA to.

GNCC will do fine i am sure. I said it before, funny how the people who have Benefitted the MOST off the AMA and it's process's jump ship because of a 10.00 fee? A couple other areas did the same when they pulled out of the districts, and now the AMA. Guess what, you have to be a member............what do you get for that?

It's simple to see who has strong opinions against AMA in here, just look at the state.

It works for us, and well the next time the government starts making up some bullshit law, AMA will be fighting it. When it gets to the point they can't anymore, good luck with the folks pulling out and lining thier pockets with your membership money.

See how much fight they have in them. and see if they matter.
Please explain how I, as a racer, have benefited from the AMA? Other than my sweet lapel pin and decal for my forced renewal.

P.S. Why do we pay $50 for an AMA membership and then an extra $10 a class for Lorettas qualifying?

You also may not be aware that in addition to AMA membership the districts also charge their own organizational fee, $45 now for AMA district 34. How do you explain that?
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lumpy790 wrote:
really? All this over a $10 increase? But let me guess..... there will ba an MX Sports license they need to race? But its ok that...
really? All this over a $10 increase? But let me guess..... there will ba an MX Sports license they need to race?

But its ok that there are now 2 different licenses ... one for SX and one for MX .... at $500 each?
If someone wants to race a GNCC and isn't already an AMA member, they are required to purchase an AMA membership. Some people just aren't interested in paying an additional $49 to race a single event that comes near their area once a year.
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wardy wrote:
How many sanctioning bodies are there in Cali? dave you are correct the new term is "national"... pretty soon we will have a "national" every weekend...
How many sanctioning bodies are there in Cali?

dave you are correct the new term is "national"... pretty soon we will have a "national" every weekend. Why do they call it that? Oh yea thats right because AMA NATIONALS are what they are immitating.

what rules are they using oh thats right AMA rules which took years of development to work out.

Advancement, oh thats right thats AMA to.

GNCC will do fine i am sure. I said it before, funny how the people who have Benefitted the MOST off the AMA and it's process's jump ship because of a 10.00 fee? A couple other areas did the same when they pulled out of the districts, and now the AMA. Guess what, you have to be a member............what do you get for that?

It's simple to see who has strong opinions against AMA in here, just look at the state.

It works for us, and well the next time the government starts making up some bullshit law, AMA will be fighting it. When it gets to the point they can't anymore, good luck with the folks pulling out and lining thier pockets with your membership money.

See how much fight they have in them. and see if they matter.
When I was racing in Cali back in the day there was CRC, CMC, SRA, NMA, GFI, Carlsbad had one, Barona had one, Glen Helen had one, ect, ect.
I didn't join the AMA until I moved to the midwest and had no choice.
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wardy wrote:
How many sanctioning bodies are there in Cali? dave you are correct the new term is "national"... pretty soon we will have a "national" every weekend...
How many sanctioning bodies are there in Cali?

dave you are correct the new term is "national"... pretty soon we will have a "national" every weekend. Why do they call it that? Oh yea thats right because AMA NATIONALS are what they are immitating.

what rules are they using oh thats right AMA rules which took years of development to work out.

Advancement, oh thats right thats AMA to.

GNCC will do fine i am sure. I said it before, funny how the people who have Benefitted the MOST off the AMA and it's process's jump ship because of a 10.00 fee? A couple other areas did the same when they pulled out of the districts, and now the AMA. Guess what, you have to be a member............what do you get for that?

It's simple to see who has strong opinions against AMA in here, just look at the state.

It works for us, and well the next time the government starts making up some bullshit law, AMA will be fighting it. When it gets to the point they can't anymore, good luck with the folks pulling out and lining thier pockets with your membership money.

See how much fight they have in them. and see if they matter.
i think this is what everyone is upset about:

•Only AMA members can win AMA National Championships and the unrivaled status that comes with an AMA National No. 1 plate.
•Access to AMA Roadside Assistance, which provides you with peace of mind when you travel, and covers personal vehicles, trailers and even street motorcycles when you're on the road.
•A subscription to American Motorcyclist magazine, which keeps you connected to the world of motorcycling and informs you of the battles we're fighting regionally and in Washington, D.C., as well as the quarterly AMA Racer supplement that highlights AMA amateur racers from all disciplines.
•Price savings benefits from a long list of partners, including parts suppliers, hotel chains and insurance in the form of the Rider Accident Medical Plan (RAMP).
•Exclusive access to events governed by the AMA Amateur Competition Rulebook, written by AMA Congress, the elected body of representatives from across the country. The AMA Amateur Competition Rulebook is only available to AMA-chartered clubs and promoters running AMA-sanctioned events.
Make no mistake. The forces aligned against motorcycling will act quickly to kill our sport at the first sign of a divided motorcycling community. Even though AMA membership is no longer a part of Racer Productions' non-sanctioned woods-racing events, we trust you will choose to still fight the good fight by remaining an AMA member

the only thing that pertains to my 6 yr old son from AMA is the allure of an AMA title he will never get. I have been an AMA member since I was 8, I cant tell you what Ive really gotten out of it.

People may put a $700 exhaust on their bike before they ride it, but its THEIR bike, they werent forced to buy the exhaust to enjoy the bike. If Joe Racer wants to race at the local track, more than likely they'll have to shell out for an AMA membership, district membership, and whatever else. The stuff adds up. Honestly, The AMA is essentially running a union here (pay your dues and we'll permit you to play), and like every other union in America, its a past time commodity.

Personally, Im not a fan of shelling out the extra $ every year, it may JUST be a $10 increase, but its an increase that now totals $50. In a hard time when newcomers will be far and few between due to every little expense costing more than a college education, this a blow to an economy hardened sport. This isnt baseball or football where kids can just do it in the backyard after dinner while mom and dad pay little attention, this sport requires family commitment.
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Didn't DC come on here and deny that this was going to happen not too long ago?
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The AMA doesn't seem concerned with their hand in making the 125cc motocross bike obsolete and virtually extinct with their stupid double displacement rule yet they harp this bullshit of status and history associated with an AMA sanction? Give me a f'n break Dingman, you're cracking my ass up here. Where is the concern of losing 30 plus years of 125cc National Championships? The AMA is directly responsible for kids going from 145 lb. 85cc bikes to 231 lb. tubs of lard 250's. Where's the concern for that?

I used to be proud to say I was an AMA member. But with all of their pissing away of members money on frivolous lawsuits and the rampant theivery amongst the old guard.....well they screwed the pooch. I understand there are a lot of good people out there in the trenches doing good work with all the best intentions but the shit at the top has ruined it for me.
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Tbteam wrote:
I really couldn't give a shit. The AMA is irrelevant.
I'm with this guy. Left the race track years ago and only go back for dealer races and open practice.
3/7/2012 9:27pm
whats the AMA going to do, go create a cross country series? no. And if they try to, yeah, good luck with that, they cant even "run" their own rule book while someone else runs the actual race promoting itself. Yeah, you guys just jump right on trying to do both.

Also, I want to clarify something, and this is what hits DIRECTLY to the core of me personally as a motocross member of the AMA. Dingman cited how the AMA is crucial in fighting for our rights in congress, and in defeating the lead law bill. yeah, they did...... After Davey, and Cobra cycles went to effing washington to try to get something done! After Davey rallied everyone. the AMA, that takes our effing money in return for being the congress watchdog, didnt do a damn thing until Davey went to washington.

Am I an ama member, yes I am. And will be. Why after the above lashing? Because the ama does fight alot for us in washington dc. Land closures, rights, ect. but the ama has literally ZERO, and should have ZERO, involvement as a sanctioning body especially in pro racing. All they are is a parasite in that regard.
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newmann wrote:
The AMA doesn't seem concerned with their hand in making the 125cc motocross bike obsolete and virtually extinct with their stupid double displacement rule yet they...
The AMA doesn't seem concerned with their hand in making the 125cc motocross bike obsolete and virtually extinct with their stupid double displacement rule yet they harp this bullshit of status and history associated with an AMA sanction? Give me a f'n break Dingman, you're cracking my ass up here. Where is the concern of losing 30 plus years of 125cc National Championships? The AMA is directly responsible for kids going from 145 lb. 85cc bikes to 231 lb. tubs of lard 250's. Where's the concern for that?

I used to be proud to say I was an AMA member. But with all of their pissing away of members money on frivolous lawsuits and the rampant theivery amongst the old guard.....well they screwed the pooch. I understand there are a lot of good people out there in the trenches doing good work with all the best intentions but the shit at the top has ruined it for me.
Gotta agree with this. Losing the 125 class was a huge fucking mistake. Huge. Cheap, easy to fix, taught you how to ride mx, and incredibly fun, not to mention accessible for the average joe. All the things that 250F's aren't.
3/7/2012 9:43pm
Tbteam wrote:
I really couldn't give a shit. The AMA is irrelevant.
QUOTE FOR MOTHERFUCKING TRUTH.
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wardy wrote:
How many sanctioning bodies are there in Cali? dave you are correct the new term is "national"... pretty soon we will have a "national" every weekend...
How many sanctioning bodies are there in Cali?

dave you are correct the new term is "national"... pretty soon we will have a "national" every weekend. Why do they call it that? Oh yea thats right because AMA NATIONALS are what they are immitating.

what rules are they using oh thats right AMA rules which took years of development to work out.

Advancement, oh thats right thats AMA to.

GNCC will do fine i am sure. I said it before, funny how the people who have Benefitted the MOST off the AMA and it's process's jump ship because of a 10.00 fee? A couple other areas did the same when they pulled out of the districts, and now the AMA. Guess what, you have to be a member............what do you get for that?

It's simple to see who has strong opinions against AMA in here, just look at the state.

It works for us, and well the next time the government starts making up some bullshit law, AMA will be fighting it. When it gets to the point they can't anymore, good luck with the folks pulling out and lining thier pockets with your membership money.

See how much fight they have in them. and see if they matter.
Did GNCC benefit from the AMA or did the AMA benefit from GNCC?
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Hey, Dingman himself has said he want's the AMA out of racing.

He just want's to suck off racing to keep his high flying ideals afloat.

Has anyone used the free towing Dingman loves and brings up all the time?

Anyone?
3/8/2012 6:08am
wardy wrote:
How many sanctioning bodies are there in Cali? dave you are correct the new term is "national"... pretty soon we will have a "national" every weekend...
How many sanctioning bodies are there in Cali?

dave you are correct the new term is "national"... pretty soon we will have a "national" every weekend. Why do they call it that? Oh yea thats right because AMA NATIONALS are what they are immitating.

what rules are they using oh thats right AMA rules which took years of development to work out.

Advancement, oh thats right thats AMA to.

GNCC will do fine i am sure. I said it before, funny how the people who have Benefitted the MOST off the AMA and it's process's jump ship because of a 10.00 fee? A couple other areas did the same when they pulled out of the districts, and now the AMA. Guess what, you have to be a member............what do you get for that?

It's simple to see who has strong opinions against AMA in here, just look at the state.

It works for us, and well the next time the government starts making up some bullshit law, AMA will be fighting it. When it gets to the point they can't anymore, good luck with the folks pulling out and lining thier pockets with your membership money.

See how much fight they have in them. and see if they matter.
Almost sounds to me like you work for the AMA. Do you?
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nope
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whats the AMA going to do, go create a cross country series? no. And if they try to, yeah, good luck with that, they cant even...
whats the AMA going to do, go create a cross country series? no. And if they try to, yeah, good luck with that, they cant even "run" their own rule book while someone else runs the actual race promoting itself. Yeah, you guys just jump right on trying to do both.

Also, I want to clarify something, and this is what hits DIRECTLY to the core of me personally as a motocross member of the AMA. Dingman cited how the AMA is crucial in fighting for our rights in congress, and in defeating the lead law bill. yeah, they did...... After Davey, and Cobra cycles went to effing washington to try to get something done! After Davey rallied everyone. the AMA, that takes our effing money in return for being the congress watchdog, didnt do a damn thing until Davey went to washington.

Am I an ama member, yes I am. And will be. Why after the above lashing? Because the ama does fight alot for us in washington dc. Land closures, rights, ect. but the ama has literally ZERO, and should have ZERO, involvement as a sanctioning body especially in pro racing. All they are is a parasite in that regard.
+1

The AMA does do important things in Washington and in the states for motorcyclists of all stripes, but I agree they should get out of (pro) racing, and maybe amateur as well. They can then focus their moneys and efforts solely on the political front as an advocate of riders. That way people will have the option to join the AMA, if they so choose, to help in that regard, without being forced to join just to compete in racing events.
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whats the AMA going to do, go create a cross country series? no. And if they try to, yeah, good luck with that, they cant even...
whats the AMA going to do, go create a cross country series? no. And if they try to, yeah, good luck with that, they cant even "run" their own rule book while someone else runs the actual race promoting itself. Yeah, you guys just jump right on trying to do both.

Also, I want to clarify something, and this is what hits DIRECTLY to the core of me personally as a motocross member of the AMA. Dingman cited how the AMA is crucial in fighting for our rights in congress, and in defeating the lead law bill. yeah, they did...... After Davey, and Cobra cycles went to effing washington to try to get something done! After Davey rallied everyone. the AMA, that takes our effing money in return for being the congress watchdog, didnt do a damn thing until Davey went to washington.

Am I an ama member, yes I am. And will be. Why after the above lashing? Because the ama does fight alot for us in washington dc. Land closures, rights, ect. but the ama has literally ZERO, and should have ZERO, involvement as a sanctioning body especially in pro racing. All they are is a parasite in that regard.
Bry745 wrote:
+1 The AMA does do important things in Washington and in the states for motorcyclists of all stripes, but I agree they should get out of...
+1

The AMA does do important things in Washington and in the states for motorcyclists of all stripes, but I agree they should get out of (pro) racing, and maybe amateur as well. They can then focus their moneys and efforts solely on the political front as an advocate of riders. That way people will have the option to join the AMA, if they so choose, to help in that regard, without being forced to join just to compete in racing events.
That's bull.

He can't make it without racing.
Racing has given them creditability since the 30's.
He has taken a century of motorcycling and now want's to turn it into a towing service.

American Motorcycling isn't just about the street.
Why should we, the racing segment, be cast aside and still contribute?

He doesn't want to, or doesn't have the ability to handle all aspects of the pastime we know as motorcycling,
well, he should just leave.

Get a guy that knows,and is willing, to run it all in house, the way it should be.
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Is Dingman still the CEO/President" of the AMA?

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