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3/3/2012 12:35pm Edited Date/Time 3/3/2012 12:41pm
machine wrote:
I've never seen a 4th place rider talked about so much in my life. We have a rider leading the series who is also lsst years...
I've never seen a 4th place rider talked about so much in my life. We have a rider leading the series who is also lsst years CHAMPION and no one talks about him. I guess when your not a drama queen, nobody cares, unfreakinbelievable.
RV chooses it that way. In the game of professional motorsports, the results are less than half the battle. Trophies look nice on the wall, but...
RV chooses it that way.

In the game of professional motorsports, the results are less than half the battle. Trophies look nice on the wall, but for the true professional (as in, gets paid!) big 'ol checks look better.

RV has no interest in marketing himself and maximizing his earning potential. That is why his Q-factor rating is so low in this sport. He doesnt care for the distractions and drama it brings. And it works for him. He's doing what he wants to do and accomplishing HIS goals.


Like I said, this is PROFESSIONAL motorsports. RV may have the hardware at the end of the year. But Bubba gets paid more. You tell me who is beating who in this sport? One could easily make the argument that Bubba is winning game that matters to a professional... money.
machine wrote:
I agree with a lot of this except the money part. Not everyone is in it purely for the money to buy more Lambos, some actually...
I agree with a lot of this except the money part. Not everyone is in it purely for the money to buy more Lambos, some actually care about being a professional and breaking records, which RV will if he stays healthy.
RV doesnt care about the records or championships either. He cares about getting paid just like the next guy. It's just that RV does not enjoy the marketing side of the sport. Its not his thing. He doesnt have the personality for it. So he chooses not to do it.


As for you comment about Lambo's and what not, that isnt a fair statement to make. It comes off as being a hater. Not saying you are, just saying how it reads. Lets keep things above the belt.

Bubba has the opportunity to set himself and his family up for the rest of there lives. Private jets, the cars they want, the lifestyle they enjoy, everything for the rest of there lives. You cant blame him for making that the priority. We'd all do the same in his shoes. He's 2.5 years away from being set for life as his own trust fund baby and taking care of his family in the same fashion.

Cant fault him for that.

Yamaha offered more money to JGR. JGR was in return, able to offer more money to Bubba. Suzuki took too long to meet the Stewarts requests in what was already a overly long and drawn out process. Everyone needs to get off of Stewarts back. Even his non-fans. Once Bubba signed to JGR, the bike he was going to ride was not up to him. He preferred the Suzuki. Suzuki didnt make it happen in time. If anyone was simply going for the money and not the chance at a title, it was JGR. But can you blame them? Once again, the argument comes full circle. They are a business. If Yamaha offers more money, then you go with Yamaha. Suzuki dropped the ball. End of story. Especially when you consider that the money wasnt the problem with Suzuki, it was their lack of commitment.
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3/3/2012 12:56pm
James will not end his career on a Yamaha. He will ride another brand before he retires, he's not gonna go out without another title.
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3/3/2012 1:06pm
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JS7 is not racing the outdoors, that's a done deal! He is staying home to work on his show and promoting Toyota, that's why he signed...
JS7 is not racing the outdoors, that's a done deal! He is staying home to work on his show and promoting Toyota, that's why he signed with JGR for the extra 2mil a year.

They also added a new theme song to the show

Bump...

OK, so I totally made up everything in my first post.... I just REALLY like the Super Chicken song!
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3/3/2012 1:28pm
This rumor is pretty far out there but considering that James to TwoTwo actually almost happened pre season doesn't make this all that impossible. Contract not withstanding. I wish it could have came together when Chad tried the first time. Would have been great to see them together on the team. Being that JGR also almost switched brands, I don't blame them. They are working their hearts out to make the bike as good as they can.

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3/3/2012 2:45pm
One can for sure discuss the injustice in Stewie might get more attenion than RV, but maybe a bit like Pastrana, James adds his different and obviously appreciated flavor to the sport? Don't know if it's possible, but if RV became a bit less robotic and a bit more personal in interviews (and on podium), maybe the injustice would be reduced?

Shouldn't matter, but seems it does...
3/3/2012 3:06pm Edited Date/Time 3/3/2012 3:11pm
DrSweden wrote:
One can for sure discuss the injustice in Stewie might get more attenion than RV, but maybe a bit like Pastrana, James adds his different and...
One can for sure discuss the injustice in Stewie might get more attenion than RV, but maybe a bit like Pastrana, James adds his different and obviously appreciated flavor to the sport? Don't know if it's possible, but if RV became a bit less robotic and a bit more personal in interviews (and on podium), maybe the injustice would be reduced?

Shouldn't matter, but seems it does...
Read my posts on the matter.

Youre right a lil bit. RV is robotic, and somewhat cold. But that is just his personality. And he has no interest in changing it to appease his marketability.

RV has no interest in doing anything but winning races, collecting his checks, and then retiring off somewhere where he can hunt and fish for the rest of his life.




The crazy thing about this is that RX usually isnt in the rumor business. What do they get for posting this sort of information in Racerhead? And in the same article, saying that they dont think it will happen. The Stewarts are already hard enough for this sports media to gain access too and so with that, I wonder what the angle is that is being played here? Surely, RX doesnt want to piss off the Stewarts....I guess the question I would ask is, does revealing this rumor help the Stewarts in any way? I just dont know. All I know, is that DC mentions talking to Bubba and I'd assume he'd love to be able to continue talking to him. Any time a media member can say "after speaking with James" about a certain matter, it makes their story that much more appealing.
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3/3/2012 4:47pm Edited Date/Time 3/3/2012 4:52pm
Everyone tries to narrow down this argument to one thing or the other, when it is a complex issue. "It's James" - "It's the bike" - "It's the competition," etc... Chances are it is a combination of all of these. I read arguments from people who are pointing the finger in all different directions, and they all have valid points (well most, anyways).

However, If anybody thinks Stewart and his current Yamaha are a better setup than this right here, you have to be out of your mind. The Yamaha may be a great bike, but it obviously isn't working with him, the same way the KXF450 didn't work well with Reed. Different riders have different styles and preferences.

Just a reminder...
https://youtu.be/pCP8-GoTIHk

https://youtu.be/QxvwRb6zWgY
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Hank, thats for those reminder videos........... Dam man, I miss Stewart on the KawasakiSad
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3/3/2012 5:26pm
Seems like a "when hell freezes over" scenario but damn I would love to see Bubba ride outdoors on team two two. Woohoo
As far as RV not getting talked about, seems like he is doing everything right without any drama i.e. he's the man right now. if he were to start riding a tub of shit and struggling every week we would probably see a lot more talk.
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3/3/2012 5:28pm Edited Date/Time 3/3/2012 11:03pm
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3.a false belief or opinion: delusions of grandeur.
4.Psychiatry . a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact: a paranoid delusion.
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3/3/2012 5:51pm
Sherwood wrote:
When was Canard's last fulls season? All you people bashing on Stewart for not being happy when he's not winning remember how upset RC was when...
When was Canard's last fulls season?

All you people bashing on Stewart for not being happy when he's not winning remember how upset RC was when he was getting beat by Reed?

As for the rumor, JGR has always been pretty strict with its contracts on the NASCAR on the side of things so I don't think that would ever happen.
Sherwood wrote: When was Canard's last fulls season?

What the fuck does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
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3/3/2012 6:04pm
I revisited the 2011 Salt Lake SX last night.

So if it's all the bike's fault why was RV's lead over JS7 only in the single digits? Same bike right? The top 4 where all within 10 points. And if wouldn't have been for his error in Dayota, who knows?

I'm no hater of JS7, aside from his reality show, but IMHO a lot of fans need to come to grips with the fact that JS7 did not come totally prepared to race SX this year. Lots of valid reasons for this, but then again no one forced him to sign so late or to sign up to ride that Turd, AGAIN. I for one, sincerely want to see him in the title chase.

The irony to me is all the Reed haters / JS7 fans hated Reed for "whining" about bikes while at Kawi and Yamaha. Now the JS7 fans are beating that drum to death.
3/3/2012 8:45pm
no js fan but its def the bike..................imho of course.
3/3/2012 11:03pm
If im not mistaken, cant James opt out of his JGR deal after a year?
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3/3/2012 11:06pm
funny thing is the top 5 threads on Vital are related to Reed and StewartGrinning
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3/4/2012 12:22am
machine wrote:
I've never seen a 4th place rider talked about so much in my life. We have a rider leading the series who is also lsst years...
I've never seen a 4th place rider talked about so much in my life. We have a rider leading the series who is also lsst years CHAMPION and no one talks about him. I guess when your not a drama queen, nobody cares, unfreakinbelievable.
RV chooses it that way. In the game of professional motorsports, the results are less than half the battle. Trophies look nice on the wall, but...
RV chooses it that way.

In the game of professional motorsports, the results are less than half the battle. Trophies look nice on the wall, but for the true professional (as in, gets paid!) big 'ol checks look better.

RV has no interest in marketing himself and maximizing his earning potential. That is why his Q-factor rating is so low in this sport. He doesnt care for the distractions and drama it brings. And it works for him. He's doing what he wants to do and accomplishing HIS goals.


Like I said, this is PROFESSIONAL motorsports. RV may have the hardware at the end of the year. But Bubba gets paid more. You tell me who is beating who in this sport? One could easily make the argument that Bubba is winning game that matters to a professional... money.
machine wrote:
I agree with a lot of this except the money part. Not everyone is in it purely for the money to buy more Lambos, some actually...
I agree with a lot of this except the money part. Not everyone is in it purely for the money to buy more Lambos, some actually care about being a professional and breaking records, which RV will if he stays healthy.
Machine...Money is the BIGGEST factor. I don't care what you say.

If it wasn't, why did RV race the one off race for a MILLION dollars??? That's right, its about the MONEY.

And RV wont break MC's or RC's records so the whole professional and records thing goes right out the window.

What someone buys with their hard earned cash is their business. Get over it man.
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3/4/2012 12:26am
If im not mistaken, cant James opt out of his JGR deal after a year?
Yup. And he isn't contractually obligated to run the nationals.

So there fore he can switch teams if he chooses to.

I honestly think this new Yamaha is the problem. But I know, Yamaha wont make another new bike until at least 2014. So now is the time to either move or stick it out and fix the problem.
3/4/2012 1:06am
Chad just wants him to come over and represent two two so he can bring Red Bull over to cover the expenses with that major energy drink sponsorship.

problem is everyone and there mother seems to be sponsored by Red Bull including the nationals themselves, dunno if they have that amount of $$$
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he seemed to do fine on the 2009 yz450..watwat

i dont blame him for signing with JGR....he wouldnt be making any $$ riding the suzuki..even if it was a better bike.
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3/4/2012 12:11pm
machine wrote:
I agree with a lot of this except the money part. Not everyone is in it purely for the money to buy more Lambos, some actually...
I agree with a lot of this except the money part. Not everyone is in it purely for the money to buy more Lambos, some actually care about being a professional and breaking records, which RV will if he stays healthy.
C.R.E.A.M. (Cash Rules Everything Around Me....for all you non Wu-Tang fans) being professional and breaking records is good in your fantasy land...but cash pays the bill.
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Read my posts on the matter. Youre right a lil bit. RV is robotic, and somewhat cold. But that is just his personality. And he has...
Read my posts on the matter.

Youre right a lil bit. RV is robotic, and somewhat cold. But that is just his personality. And he has no interest in changing it to appease his marketability.

RV has no interest in doing anything but winning races, collecting his checks, and then retiring off somewhere where he can hunt and fish for the rest of his life.




The crazy thing about this is that RX usually isnt in the rumor business. What do they get for posting this sort of information in Racerhead? And in the same article, saying that they dont think it will happen. The Stewarts are already hard enough for this sports media to gain access too and so with that, I wonder what the angle is that is being played here? Surely, RX doesnt want to piss off the Stewarts....I guess the question I would ask is, does revealing this rumor help the Stewarts in any way? I just dont know. All I know, is that DC mentions talking to Bubba and I'd assume he'd love to be able to continue talking to him. Any time a media member can say "after speaking with James" about a certain matter, it makes their story that much more appealing.
I missed your previous post, and obviously agree with your point. I really dig the RX article, and I was a bit impressed by the lack of sugar coating, nice being fed with some insider info! Smile Dunno the incitement behind that, I would be tempted if I had that power, was involved in a series that struggles for attention, while having the top rider take a piss on it... But that's just me!Grinning
3/4/2012 2:47pm
machine wrote:
I've never seen a 4th place rider talked about so much in my life. We have a rider leading the series who is also lsst years...
I've never seen a 4th place rider talked about so much in my life. We have a rider leading the series who is also lsst years CHAMPION and no one talks about him. I guess when your not a drama queen, nobody cares, unfreakinbelievable.
C'mon now, nobody cares about anyone until they get their own reality show.
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I'm confident James will be riding outdoors.

I can't see Red Bull signing up as a title sponsor and then James not being out there. I think the 2 go hand in hand.
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RV doesnt care about the records or championships either. He cares about getting paid just like the next guy. It's just that RV does not enjoy...
RV doesnt care about the records or championships either. He cares about getting paid just like the next guy. It's just that RV does not enjoy the marketing side of the sport. Its not his thing. He doesnt have the personality for it. So he chooses not to do it.


As for you comment about Lambo's and what not, that isnt a fair statement to make. It comes off as being a hater. Not saying you are, just saying how it reads. Lets keep things above the belt.

Bubba has the opportunity to set himself and his family up for the rest of there lives. Private jets, the cars they want, the lifestyle they enjoy, everything for the rest of there lives. You cant blame him for making that the priority. We'd all do the same in his shoes. He's 2.5 years away from being set for life as his own trust fund baby and taking care of his family in the same fashion.

Cant fault him for that.

Yamaha offered more money to JGR. JGR was in return, able to offer more money to Bubba. Suzuki took too long to meet the Stewarts requests in what was already a overly long and drawn out process. Everyone needs to get off of Stewarts back. Even his non-fans. Once Bubba signed to JGR, the bike he was going to ride was not up to him. He preferred the Suzuki. Suzuki didnt make it happen in time. If anyone was simply going for the money and not the chance at a title, it was JGR. But can you blame them? Once again, the argument comes full circle. They are a business. If Yamaha offers more money, then you go with Yamaha. Suzuki dropped the ball. End of story. Especially when you consider that the money wasnt the problem with Suzuki, it was their lack of commitment.
I think RV sucks on the podium... but in the moto press I really don't see him as this media shy character. When ever he is doing a podcast or interview on Pulp (which is fairly often) he is always very witty and funny.
3/4/2012 5:59pm
Everyone tries to narrow down this argument to one thing or the other, when it is a complex issue. "It's James" - "It's the bike" -...
Everyone tries to narrow down this argument to one thing or the other, when it is a complex issue. "It's James" - "It's the bike" - "It's the competition," etc... Chances are it is a combination of all of these. I read arguments from people who are pointing the finger in all different directions, and they all have valid points (well most, anyways).

However, If anybody thinks Stewart and his current Yamaha are a better setup than this right here, you have to be out of your mind. The Yamaha may be a great bike, but it obviously isn't working with him, the same way the KXF450 didn't work well with Reed. Different riders have different styles and preferences.

Just a reminder...
https://youtu.be/pCP8-GoTIHk

https://youtu.be/QxvwRb6zWgY
Very smart post. Reeds style never meshed with the old Kawi. His style is perfect for the current Honda.

Yes the bike is a problem, but like you said, there's got to be more to it considering his heat race and practice dominance.

And yes, bikes have gotten better. And the field is deeper so coming thru the pack isn't as easy as it used to be.

I believe James would be faster on a private built Kawasaki at the moment. The Kawi is just that good and Alessi has shown was a good private team built bike is capable of if the bike is a good platform to start from.
3/4/2012 6:04pm Edited Date/Time 3/4/2012 6:05pm
RaceFace wrote:
I'm confident James will be riding outdoors. I can't see Red Bull signing up as a title sponsor and then James not being out there. I...
I'm confident James will be riding outdoors.

I can't see Red Bull signing up as a title sponsor and then James not being out there. I think the 2 go hand in hand.
This is another simple but intelligent post. I didn't even think of that angle.
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3/4/2012 7:05pm
If im not mistaken, cant James opt out of his JGR deal after a year?
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Yup. And he isn't contractually obligated to run the nationals. So there fore he can switch teams if he chooses to. I honestly think this new...
Yup. And he isn't contractually obligated to run the nationals.

So there fore he can switch teams if he chooses to.

I honestly think this new Yamaha is the problem. But I know, Yamaha wont make another new bike until at least 2014. So now is the time to either move or stick it out and fix the problem.
Question: If stewarts problem is the bike,why does he win 99% of all his heat races? Its the same bike,right?

If the yamaha is soooooo bad why doesn't millsaps crash out every main?

Bet your ass the bike stewart rides is like a factory bike compared to the production
bike his teammate rides.

I've listened to the BS for years that bubba ( F.M.O.T.P. ) could lap the field on a 125,or a tricycle with a briggs engine
yet he can't do it with the best yamaha JGR can build?

I'm sorry I can't buy the "it's the bike" BS.
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3/4/2012 7:44pm
I truly hope that James gets this deal done if it truly exists. The reason being that there will be no more excuses available from him or anyone else. If he gets on what many are calling the best bike out there, the Honda, what can anyone say then? I will feel bad for JGR because they are gonna get the shaft but they went after Stewart full throttle and in my opinion are already on the short end of the stick with his less than stelllar results. I believe it doesnt matter what JS is on when the outdooor series starts, he's gonna get smoked and maybe not by just RV and RD. Remember people RV and RD are better outdoor riders so it's only going to get more difficult.

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