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RaceFace 2/12/2012 2:13am
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Actually, the JGR bike might not be setup as well as the San Manuel bike. Apparently Yamaha isn't giving JGR the kind of help that you...
Actually, the JGR bike might not be setup as well as the San Manuel bike. Apparently Yamaha isn't giving JGR the kind of help that you are thinking.

In 2009 did James win 11 in a row??? No so those races where he crashed were't back-to-back like they have been this year. I also can't remember him falling multiple times and coming back to get second. That's just from my memory. You'd have to prove that one.


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Obviously it matters not what I say, so how do I prove anything? I recall him falling while leading, catching back up to Reed and falling...
Obviously it matters not what I say, so how do I prove anything? I recall him falling while leading, catching back up to Reed and falling again. I have no way of proving it.

He won 7 in a row, not sure what the point is there. He then fell down in Daytona and got a 7th place. The point is he crashed in 6 races in a title winning year on a bike that was not considered an issue.
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Sure you can prove it. This is the internet. You point doesn't relate to this season. Crashing in 6 races isn't the same as crashing in...
Sure you can prove it. This is the internet.

You point doesn't relate to this season. Crashing in 6 races isn't the same as crashing in 6 races in a row. I also don't think that he actually crashed at 6 races. At Vegas he didn't win and he didn't crash. I can only think of 3 races that he crashed in that year. A1, Daytona, and St. Louis I believe.


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Well, if it has to be in a row before it means anything to you so be it. Has he crashed in 6 races in a row this year? No. You come up with some very odd points. He just won 2 races ago.

Anyway, I think it is sad that now JGR is getting thrown to the curb like this after being hyped to the moon as the savior for James. Whatever gets you through the day. If the bike is that bad I hope James doesn't race outside because he is going to get seriously hurt if that is the case.
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RaceFace wrote:
Obviously it matters not what I say, so how do I prove anything? I recall him falling while leading, catching back up to Reed and falling...
Obviously it matters not what I say, so how do I prove anything? I recall him falling while leading, catching back up to Reed and falling again. I have no way of proving it.

He won 7 in a row, not sure what the point is there. He then fell down in Daytona and got a 7th place. The point is he crashed in 6 races in a title winning year on a bike that was not considered an issue.
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Sure you can prove it. This is the internet. You point doesn't relate to this season. Crashing in 6 races isn't the same as crashing in...
Sure you can prove it. This is the internet.

You point doesn't relate to this season. Crashing in 6 races isn't the same as crashing in 6 races in a row. I also don't think that he actually crashed at 6 races. At Vegas he didn't win and he didn't crash. I can only think of 3 races that he crashed in that year. A1, Daytona, and St. Louis I believe.


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Well, if it has to be in a row before it means anything to you so be it. Has he crashed in 6 races in a...
Well, if it has to be in a row before it means anything to you so be it. Has he crashed in 6 races in a row this year? No. You come up with some very odd points. He just won 2 races ago.

Anyway, I think it is sad that now JGR is getting thrown to the curb like this after being hyped to the moon as the savior for James. Whatever gets you through the day. If the bike is that bad I hope James doesn't race outside because he is going to get seriously hurt if that is the case.
Did James even crash in two races in a row in 2009???

BTW, James only crashed in four races in 2009 (races that he didn't win).


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AUS_Twisted 2/12/2012 2:28am
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People need to listen to James saying how much better the JGR bike was to last years before the season started in interviews, going on about beating McGrath's 72 race wins. So James is lying in those interviews saying how good the JGR Yamaha was?
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Derpin' DJ 2/12/2012 2:44am
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I blame not racing the outdoors and being slack in that time off. In 2009, he just came off the 24-0 mx championship. Since then, he has gotten progressively worse.

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RaceFace 2/12/2012 3:02am
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Sure you can prove it. This is the internet. You point doesn't relate to this season. Crashing in 6 races isn't the same as crashing in...
Sure you can prove it. This is the internet.

You point doesn't relate to this season. Crashing in 6 races isn't the same as crashing in 6 races in a row. I also don't think that he actually crashed at 6 races. At Vegas he didn't win and he didn't crash. I can only think of 3 races that he crashed in that year. A1, Daytona, and St. Louis I believe.


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Well, if it has to be in a row before it means anything to you so be it. Has he crashed in 6 races in a...
Well, if it has to be in a row before it means anything to you so be it. Has he crashed in 6 races in a row this year? No. You come up with some very odd points. He just won 2 races ago.

Anyway, I think it is sad that now JGR is getting thrown to the curb like this after being hyped to the moon as the savior for James. Whatever gets you through the day. If the bike is that bad I hope James doesn't race outside because he is going to get seriously hurt if that is the case.
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Did James even crash in two races in a row in 2009??? BTW, James only crashed in four races in 2009 (races that he didn't win)...
Did James even crash in two races in a row in 2009???

BTW, James only crashed in four races in 2009 (races that he didn't win).


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Here is a cool video of crashes...both RC and James. I don't think we're questioning Ricky's bikes though. His crashes were all his fault.

Rick_Melon_123 2/12/2012 3:06am
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Right on Danny, do you know if it is a B or G?
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not trying to threadjack, but it's a boy. Anthony. Named after my Grandpop.
Congratulations Smile and on to the other topic,,,i agree, stewart fucked up big tyme leaving san manuel. if it isnt broken, why fucking fix it James?! ta hell with it, im a Kawasaki fan anyway, so its all good in my book Wink
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WhKnuckle 2/12/2012 3:39am
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It looked to me like his team has been trying everything they can to get traction in the front and now he's losing it in the rear. And there's a lot more force on the rear wheel that can affect traction, like a 60hp engine. If he was an amateur, I'd say he needs a heavier crank or flywheel weight, but I imagine JGR has thought of that already.
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Motodude 2/12/2012 3:55am
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James is drifting back to the 2005 KX250 'chopper' stiffy front end setup..

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mxr300ex 2/12/2012 5:30am
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All the cry baby bitches on here making excuses why Stewarts not winning are the same ones that call Reed a cry baby and says he makes excuses.
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Mspicer 2/12/2012 6:35am
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Maybe, the bike performs well when the track is freshly built, but after the track begins to breakdown, the bike isn't responding the way james wants it. The argument is that why does he set fast lap times and all of the sudden the bike responds negatively during the race. I think he needs Villopoto's bike. Yeah, he will still crash, but at least it won't have anythng to do with the bike. Ask Steve Matthes.
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DavidR 2/12/2012 6:46am
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All the cry baby bitches on here making excuses why Stewarts not winning are the same ones that call Reed a cry baby and says he...
All the cry baby bitches on here making excuses why Stewarts not winning are the same ones that call Reed a cry baby and says he makes excuses.
^^this
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Drfletcher 2/12/2012 6:55am
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WHy is it when James crashes its the bikes fault but when everyone else crashes its not the bikes fault?
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WhKnuckle 2/12/2012 6:56am
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Mspicer wrote:
Maybe, the bike performs well when the track is freshly built, but after the track begins to breakdown, the bike isn't responding the way james wants...
Maybe, the bike performs well when the track is freshly built, but after the track begins to breakdown, the bike isn't responding the way james wants it. The argument is that why does he set fast lap times and all of the sudden the bike responds negatively during the race. I think he needs Villopoto's bike. Yeah, he will still crash, but at least it won't have anythng to do with the bike. Ask Steve Matthes.
DV summed it up very well - he uses a real snappy engine and real stiff susension and that doesn't work very well on hard, slick Cali dirt. Pretty simple. And I might add - so he crashes in the west coast rounds and by the time they get to good east coast dirt he's way behind in the series and desperate so he crashes some more.

Stiff suspension + snappy engine = no traction. I think that's one of Newton's laws.

When he gets back east, he should just forget about the series and try to win some races. Then he'll...uh...win some races and maybe the series will come back into focus.

BTW, none of this is insightful - JGR and Stewart both know all that stuff better than anyone. But Stewart likes what he likes, JGR can't change the bike if he doesn't want it changed, and that's that.
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I still think that the many crashes of James all these years, and all those helmet-to-dirt contacts, have him unfortunately not as sharp as he used to be. His CPU is not processing like it used to - repeated head hits can have very bad effects. I just hope one of these crashes doesn't do something really bad to him.
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mccread 2/12/2012 7:13am
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It is multi causal I believe, and not just down to one thing.

I think James struggles to set up a bike, also Kawi is known to be very stable at high speed, maybe that suited James better. And, it was his choice to go with yamaha again instead of suzuki ( which he was reportedly more comfortable on)

Also, James has always crashed when someone has been the same speed as him, when he has a challenge he crashes. Now he has three guys on that level or even ahead of him so he is pushing outside his comfort zone more and more. He was 13 points back behind RV and was running third last night with RV leading- that would have put him 19 back, James had to push hard to catch those guys and it bit him... and that's the problem, when he pushes too hard he crashes more than the rest, but it has always been that way.


Stewart has never completed a full season of SX and MX since he was in the 450s regardless of what bike he was on. He has always crashed. Now he is 30+ points back and he is in a must win situation now, so he will be even more desperate.
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roughneck 2/12/2012 7:35am
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It was ugly..The bike was swapping and kicking..once Reed got his bike dialed for the long woops..I would have like to see Stewart just ride it for a few laps to see what a dialed bike feels like...he would of fired he wrench..
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nickm 2/12/2012 7:41am
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The bike should't be blue, Yamaha needs to go back to white and pink, or maybe white and red....no actually yellow and black would be best.

The others guys aren't fast, the Yamacrap is holding Stewart back...Reed sucks, RV sucks, Dungey's KTM is crap, those guys just keep getting lucky and finishing up front. Millsaps - he's just lucky, he's got some gyroscoping flywheel that's keeping him on 2 wheels on that Yamajunk. they should put that in stewarDs bike instead of the heavy aluminum tank that is holding him back.

All these new jackasses like Weimer on that piece of crap Kawie, he just keeps getting lucky to get up front, then someone takes him out, yeah he's just unlucky sometimes. Windham is old and slow, the blue bike is so junky it can't even keep up with him

They maybe need to go back to yellow and black plastic and probably fix the throttle too, no way anyone should be able to pass Stewart. unless they are lucky.

I can't believe all these slow guys getting lucky and winning..its a crap season to watch.
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WhKnuckle 2/12/2012 7:42am
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mccread wrote:
It is multi causal I believe, and not just down to one thing. I think James struggles to set up a bike, also Kawi is known...
It is multi causal I believe, and not just down to one thing.

I think James struggles to set up a bike, also Kawi is known to be very stable at high speed, maybe that suited James better. And, it was his choice to go with yamaha again instead of suzuki ( which he was reportedly more comfortable on)

Also, James has always crashed when someone has been the same speed as him, when he has a challenge he crashes. Now he has three guys on that level or even ahead of him so he is pushing outside his comfort zone more and more. He was 13 points back behind RV and was running third last night with RV leading- that would have put him 19 back, James had to push hard to catch those guys and it bit him... and that's the problem, when he pushes too hard he crashes more than the rest, but it has always been that way.


Stewart has never completed a full season of SX and MX since he was in the 450s regardless of what bike he was on. He has always crashed. Now he is 30+ points back and he is in a must win situation now, so he will be even more desperate.
He won '07 and '09 on 450s...he crashed out of races, but obviously completed the series.

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Mstock 2/12/2012 7:45am
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JGR is only locked into racing Yamaha's for another 3 years. That's the good news. The bad news is this bike is better for SX than it is for Outdoors.
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JOHN CHOATE 2/12/2012 7:53am
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Some people seem to forget how James literally blew past Dungey on one lap and Metcalfe on another through the whoops. His bike was practically arrow straight on those laps. RV and CR would swap on occasion through those whoops too and that is what eventually brought down KW.

Even DV12 stated that it isn't the bike itself, it's his setup. It seemed to me most of the top guys struggled through those whoops at least several times during the main event.
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Xracer 2/12/2012 7:54am
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I've kept my mouth shut for 2 years now, because I'm a Yamaha guy and have been since my first YZ80 in 81'. But James might as well be riding a steel I-beam on wheels with a stock-car engine bolted to the top. I'm literally holding my breath every time the camera is on him. The fact that he can easily set the fast lap when the track isn't beat up tells me that he's the same old James, but the bike becomes unridable as the track breaks down. Wheelspinning out of every other turn like he's on a 2-stroke 500, casing half the jumps, swapping ends in the whoops every week...really? This is James Freakin' Stewart! Yes, he's always crashed a lot, but it's usually because he's doing impossible things 99% of the time and that 1% would reach up and bite him. He's not historically a "basic" crasher like he is now. Maybe it's not the bike itself...I've never ridden the current-gen bike (I'll keep my 09', thanks), but if it's not the bike, it's definitely a setup issue. I'm not a big Stewart fan...he sorta lost me with all the reality TV stuff...but I still think, on the right equipment, he's the best stadium rider out there. I'd bet if you ask the top 5 guys who they fear most in the rear-view, 4 of them will say James (Reed won't admit it), and not just because it's likely he'll crash and take them out too! The good part of all this is that the last 2 seasons have been exciting to watch, because James on an RMZ would mean boring 20-second wins, a 25-point series lead and empty stadiums.
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WhKnuckle 2/12/2012 7:55am
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JOHN CHOATE wrote:
Some people seem to forget how James literally blew past Dungey on one lap and Metcalfe on another through the whoops. His bike was practically arrow...
Some people seem to forget how James literally blew past Dungey on one lap and Metcalfe on another through the whoops. His bike was practically arrow straight on those laps. RV and CR would swap on occasion through those whoops too and that is what eventually brought down KW.

Even DV12 stated that it isn't the bike itself, it's his setup. It seemed to me most of the top guys struggled through those whoops at least several times during the main event.
He was also going right up against the tuffblocks on the left - if anything went wrong, he was going off the track. And something went wrong, he went off the track, and that was that. It was a calculated decision that didn't work out.

DV knows the deal - it's his setup. Snappy engine plus stiff suspension equals poor traction on hard, slick dirt.
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JOHN CHOATE 2/12/2012 8:02am
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Those whoops were brutal. Mad props to all those who braved through them.
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MDMCG 2/12/2012 8:21am
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DV is a tool. He's never been as fast as JS, RV, RD, or CR. Has that guy even ridden a 450 in a race?

He sure didn't make his Yamaha's look very good.
ClassCClairVoyant 2/12/2012 8:28am
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It's almost sad watching what is going on with Stewart. He always has been and apparently always will be his own worst enemy as a racer. To me there has never been anyone with more raw speed, talent, and courage on a track than Stewart. It's like watching a boxer past his prime going into the ring and getting the tar beat out of him, over and over.

As a dumb fan I feel cheated that I don't get to see him ride anywhere close to his ability. Let's hope JGR figures that bike out (i.e. Stewart doesn't know how to set up a bike?) and they can get the train back on the track before he gets seriously injured or injures someone else.

And, say what? DV was plenty fast and is right on with his assessment...
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I blame not racing the outdoors and being slack in that time off. In 2009, he just came off the 24-0 mx championship. Since then, he...
I blame not racing the outdoors and being slack in that time off. In 2009, he just came off the 24-0 mx championship. Since then, he has gotten progressively worse.
This. And everyone else has gotten better. He would know the bike a lot better if he actually raced it for more than 4 months a year. Being a part timer has caught up with him. it was inevitable.
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DoctorJD 2/12/2012 8:41am
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DV is a tool. He's never been as fast as JS, RV, RD, or CR. Has that guy even ridden a 450 in a race? He...
DV is a tool. He's never been as fast as JS, RV, RD, or CR. Has that guy even ridden a 450 in a race?

He sure didn't make his Yamaha's look very good.
What was wrong with DV's assessment? I thought it made plenty of sense. Where, specifically, was he wrong?
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FroDiddy 2/12/2012 9:03am
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MDMCG wrote:
DV is a tool. He's never been as fast as JS, RV, RD, or CR. Has that guy even ridden a 450 in a race? He...
DV is a tool. He's never been as fast as JS, RV, RD, or CR. Has that guy even ridden a 450 in a race?

He sure didn't make his Yamaha's look very good.
How old are you?
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kongols 2/12/2012 9:12am
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With championship pressure off of his shoulders I hope he uses reminder of the season to dial that bike in to decent shape.

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