Bummer for the WMX racers

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CRF107 1/12/2012 5:40pm
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We are adding a pair of LCQs for the 250 and 450 classes and there is just not enough time in the day for two full...
We are adding a pair of LCQs for the 250 and 450 classes and there is just not enough time in the day for two full WMX motos. This will also help the WMX get some TV coverage. And the last moto of the day was also in an almost-empty park, and the tracks were brutal by that time of day...

If it doesn't work out like this, back to the drawing board, but I hope is helps get the girls more attention and sponsors by getting back on TV.

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It's hard enough for alot of the girls to make it to the races, but now cutting them down to 15 minutes of racing will kill it for most. And since they are being seeded into their moto, I assume you are cutting one of their practices as well, which will only hurt the field more. More teams stepping up and helping the girls will help grow the field and make it more competitive, but hard to justify for 15 minutes on the track.

I guess by driving the girls away, MX Sports doesn't look like the bad guys who gave up on WMX.
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ODB 1/12/2012 5:45pm
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its a business and the woman don't fil the gates the big boys do
sbarrington314 1/12/2012 5:53pm
1/12/2012 5:53pm
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how did the nationals get ran with 2 lcqs a couple years ago and still have 2 wmx motos? further more reason to go back to...
how did the nationals get ran with 2 lcqs a couple years ago and still have 2 wmx motos?

further more reason to go back to 2 day events. its dumb that you try to squeeze everything into 1 day and have to start screwing the women out of racing.
oacjr wrote:
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motocross nationals use to be held on saturday and sundays. saturday was qualifying races and sunday were the mains.
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mcopsey 1/12/2012 5:58pm
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ODB wrote:
its a business and the woman don't fil the gates the big boys do
Exactly...has anyone, besides family, shown up to watch the WMX?

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DirtyFilter75 1/12/2012 5:58pm
1/12/2012 5:58pm
One foot out the door now if we can just follow that with he other foot!
Kartwheel84c 1/12/2012 6:01pm
1/12/2012 6:01pm
I like the WMX, but in the cold light of reality, a 125 2T Pro/Am steppingstone class would probably be better for the industry as a whole.
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burrito913 1/12/2012 6:29pm
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you guys need to give up on the 125 class ... geez . how many mfg still make 125 's ? might as well have a " legend's class " and bring out the 500's .. These girls don't make squat . Many have to pay to have their bikes transported and pay for their rides . After talking with my rider we are just going to focus on the 2 races in California ( since that is where she is based out of ) . No need to drive cross country and spends $$ on gas for a 15min moto . In 2008 the WMX had their own TV time and a strong webcast and after that it's gone backwards . You guys can bag on them all you want and I am sure after this year many will not even bother racing the WMX and will start doing the WORCS races or something else then they will be gone and then some of you can bitch about something else
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FIREfish148 1/12/2012 6:34pm
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DC wrote:
We are adding a pair of LCQs for the 250 and 450 classes and there is just not enough time in the day for two full...
We are adding a pair of LCQs for the 250 and 450 classes and there is just not enough time in the day for two full WMX motos. This will also help the WMX get some TV coverage. And the last moto of the day was also in an almost-empty park, and the tracks were brutal by that time of day...

If it doesn't work out like this, back to the drawing board, but I hope is helps get the girls more attention and sponsors by getting back on TV.

DC
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Soooo lcq's mean no more timed qualifying right?? Please?
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newmann 1/12/2012 6:38pm
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WMA class should be left as is, 2 motos. What should be changed was to make it only six rounds. The other six rounds should be reserved for a real 125cc Outdoor National Championship.
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redalert144 1/12/2012 6:44pm
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sbarrington314 wrote:
how did the nationals get ran with 2 lcqs a couple years ago and still have 2 wmx motos? further more reason to go back to...
how did the nationals get ran with 2 lcqs a couple years ago and still have 2 wmx motos?

further more reason to go back to 2 day events. its dumb that you try to squeeze everything into 1 day and have to start screwing the women out of racing.
Sherwood wrote:
Having to be at the two day events with a racer, I can tell you the one day events are way better.
Everybody is already there Friday, what's the difference?
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machine 1/12/2012 6:54pm
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what's WMX? Never seen or heard of it.....
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sbarrington314 wrote:
how did the nationals get ran with 2 lcqs a couple years ago and still have 2 wmx motos? further more reason to go back to...
how did the nationals get ran with 2 lcqs a couple years ago and still have 2 wmx motos?

further more reason to go back to 2 day events. its dumb that you try to squeeze everything into 1 day and have to start screwing the women out of racing.
oacjr wrote:
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sbarrington314 wrote:
motocross nationals use to be held on saturday and sundays. saturday was qualifying races and sunday were the mains.
O I know...Wink I questioned the idea of going back to a two day event.........
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easy_e 1/12/2012 6:59pm
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sbarrington314 wrote:
how did the nationals get ran with 2 lcqs a couple years ago and still have 2 wmx motos? further more reason to go back to...
how did the nationals get ran with 2 lcqs a couple years ago and still have 2 wmx motos?

further more reason to go back to 2 day events. its dumb that you try to squeeze everything into 1 day and have to start screwing the women out of racing.
Sherwood wrote:
Having to be at the two day events with a racer, I can tell you the one day events are way better.
redalert144 wrote:
Everybody is already there Friday, what's the difference?
They are able to leave on Saturday night which the gives the riders another day of time to test, practice, recover or travel. If it was still a two day event they might have a harder time attracting talent to the outdoor series.
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KAWboy14 1/12/2012 7:01pm
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the women should have to qualify with the men. why not just have a fat old guys 15 minute race also? because they would have to qualify with the men if they wanted to be on the track.

a four wheeler race or the kids would be more entertaining than the women!
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HuskyEd 1/12/2012 7:03pm
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DC wrote:
We are adding a pair of LCQs for the 250 and 450 classes and there is just not enough time in the day for two full...
We are adding a pair of LCQs for the 250 and 450 classes and there is just not enough time in the day for two full WMX motos. This will also help the WMX get some TV coverage. And the last moto of the day was also in an almost-empty park, and the tracks were brutal by that time of day...

If it doesn't work out like this, back to the drawing board, but I hope is helps get the girls more attention and sponsors by getting back on TV.

DC
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FIREfish148 wrote:
Soooo lcq's mean no more timed qualifying right?? Please?
Timed qualifying for the fastest 38 with an LCQ for the final 2 spots.
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zippy895 1/12/2012 7:07pm
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1st moto on friday and 2nd moto ...1st race of the day sat!
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redalert144 1/12/2012 7:12pm
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Sherwood wrote:
Having to be at the two day events with a racer, I can tell you the one day events are way better.
redalert144 wrote:
Everybody is already there Friday, what's the difference?
easy_e wrote:
They are able to leave on Saturday night which the gives the riders another day of time to test, practice, recover or travel. If it was...
They are able to leave on Saturday night which the gives the riders another day of time to test, practice, recover or travel. If it was still a two day event they might have a harder time attracting talent to the outdoor series.
That's why I was saying run all the main practices and LCQs Friday. Then have a quick warm up Saturday morning Race the WMX 1st and then in between moto 1 and 2
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zippy895 1/12/2012 7:16pm
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1st moto on friday and 2nd moto ...1st race of the day sat!
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Track and Trail 1/12/2012 7:19pm
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I'm just happy they're still going to be racing at the nationals.
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jsmx97 1/12/2012 7:58pm
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In my opinion the current qualifying system doesnt put the best RACERS into the motos, it puts the best guys at being able to learn a track in 5 minutes then immediately put down one fast lap. While this isnt easy by any means, it does not make for good racing from the 15th-40th place guys, and is keeping certain riders who could otherwise perform better from even having a shot.

Riders who are half a second off the pace of the 20th place qualifier are the guys who aren't qualifying in most cases. Thats how close the field is. Where the difference lies is how certain guys perform in the 20-30 minute range, which timed qualifying proves none of that.

Timed qualifying is more geared toward deep pockets and fast engines...

Better racing would come with better RACERS, not one lap fast guys.

Go back to two days, qualify by RACING not times, and let the girls have two motos. Simple right?
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CRF107 1/12/2012 8:15pm
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The writing was on the wall for the WMX when DC's own magazine RacerX barely covered them last year.
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4mxonly 1/12/2012 8:47pm
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jsmx97 wrote:
In my opinion the current qualifying system doesnt put the best RACERS into the motos, it puts the best guys at being able to learn a...
In my opinion the current qualifying system doesnt put the best RACERS into the motos, it puts the best guys at being able to learn a track in 5 minutes then immediately put down one fast lap. While this isnt easy by any means, it does not make for good racing from the 15th-40th place guys, and is keeping certain riders who could otherwise perform better from even having a shot.

Riders who are half a second off the pace of the 20th place qualifier are the guys who aren't qualifying in most cases. Thats how close the field is. Where the difference lies is how certain guys perform in the 20-30 minute range, which timed qualifying proves none of that.

Timed qualifying is more geared toward deep pockets and fast engines...

Better racing would come with better RACERS, not one lap fast guys.

Go back to two days, qualify by RACING not times, and let the girls have two motos. Simple right?
Pretty much summed it up right there. I don't get why all the couch racers on Vital are so against running LCQs, I think it's a great idea and happy to see it. I think people will come around once they see the outcome.
DirtyFilter75 1/12/2012 8:53pm
1/12/2012 8:53pm
if the women can run a fast enough lap to earn a gate put them in the big show. Otherwise get them out of the program. No special treatment just because you have a vag!
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dboivin 1/12/2012 8:56pm
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LCQ also offers more track time, more bang for the buck for that guy trying to qualify...also gives him a little experience that he can build on instead running a muddy practice and going home.

think of southwick last year...if you didn't get to cut first lap of practice to get yer fastest time in you got screwed. specially guys that had the 3rd practice. this is somewhat a step in right directions but i'm not a huge fan of timed practices due to this very example (southwick).
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bullpen58 1/12/2012 8:56pm
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At least the women have the luxury, at the end of the day, of choosing whether or not they are gonna get laid. Us guys are always at their mercy....unless you're a rapist like Ben Rothlesdoublebaconcheeseburger.
lostboy819 1/12/2012 9:14pm
1/12/2012 9:14pm
DC wrote:
We are adding a pair of LCQs for the 250 and 450 classes and there is just not enough time in the day for two full...
We are adding a pair of LCQs for the 250 and 450 classes and there is just not enough time in the day for two full WMX motos. This will also help the WMX get some TV coverage. And the last moto of the day was also in an almost-empty park, and the tracks were brutal by that time of day...

If it doesn't work out like this, back to the drawing board, but I hope is helps get the girls more attention and sponsors by getting back on TV.

DC
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I agree DC with adding the LCQs and mabe next year you can add a dash for cash or minibike race and we can be done with the WMX completely Woohoo
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loftyair 1/12/2012 9:26pm
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KAWboy14 wrote:
the women should have to qualify with the men. why not just have a fat old guys 15 minute race also? because they would have to...
the women should have to qualify with the men. why not just have a fat old guys 15 minute race also? because they would have to qualify with the men if they wanted to be on the track.

a four wheeler race or the kids would be more entertaining than the women!
Support class, Amatuer stars, supermini's. THat's all great, but please, don't ever use the words 'four-wheel' in this forum again. Have you ever ridden a track AFTER those piles have been on it? It's ruined.
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kevin204 1/12/2012 9:38pm
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Run a quad moto at the end of the day. I think that would be cool, those guys can rip. Sure, it ruins the track, but after the bikes are done, who cares?

Also, forget the 125s, those things sound like a nasty pack of mosquitoes. Let's have a 500 class.
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TJ 755 1/12/2012 9:47pm
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LCQ's with timed qualifying??? Lame. Will still be the 40th slow guy. LCQ's are for a different format. To give the guys that have chance... another chance...like after a crash or a bad start. Come on man! DC you know better.
DirtyFilter75 1/12/2012 9:53pm
1/12/2012 9:53pm
kevin204 wrote:
Run a quad moto at the end of the day. I think that would be cool, those guys can rip. Sure, it ruins the track, but...
Run a quad moto at the end of the day. I think that would be cool, those guys can rip. Sure, it ruins the track, but after the bikes are done, who cares?

Also, forget the 125s, those things sound like a nasty pack of mosquitoes. Let's have a 500 class.
Yep we can't wait to see a bunch of couch riding morons!

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