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MXMattii 12/3/2011 9:41am
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Jake Weimer (@jakeweimer32) his answer part I:

There seems to be some confusion about the "moto inside the outdoors" episode I was in. While the last year was difficult for me I can say today my passion and desire to do well is at an all time high and I am very motivated for 2012. My back injury in 2010 was very scary for me and then shortly after overcoming that breaking my arm. I missed a lot of time in what I feel was a very important time for me to be "making up" lost time and it was tough for me to get back on top of it. I love motorcycle racing more than anything and thank god everyday for everything he has blessed me with. I will be back in form come jan 7th

Jake Weimer (@jakeweimer32) his answer part II:

Also want to say THANK you to everyone who's had my back and believes in me. Aldon being one, my dad, everybody at kawi, my right hand man Rowell and my fans. You guys all mean a lot to me and give me motivation to keep pushing. I am having a lot of fun training and preparing right now and I am beyond excited for 2012. I hope to see all of you at A1
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MXMattii 12/3/2011 9:52am
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I was bummed after seeing the "Inside the Outdoors - Washougal". That guy speaks about motocross like the passion is gone! A bit like a guy...
I was bummed after seeing the "Inside the Outdoors - Washougal". That guy speaks about motocross like the passion is gone! A bit like a guy who is wrestling with a burnout! Damn! Is that the better chose of Mike Fisher?? Was that the guy that got chosen above CP377?? DAMN!

We could see in the season that the Jake was struggling but now we also see that he didn't show any power, any passion, any ... you name it!! Does it come due the program he follows?? Not everyone is capable of running high intensity training programs! I mean he wouldn't be the first one who couldn't work with Aldon Baker because it was to heavy!!
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I that it was a joke that some people thought he could produce the same results as CP. CP is def a level ahead of Jake...
I that it was a joke that some people thought he could produce the same results as CP. CP is def a level ahead of Jake IMO but unlike most in the USA I love Pourcel.
bvm111 wrote:
wait he was a level ahead when? when he was pulling off of the track and running away back to france and doing the same there...
wait he was a level ahead when? when he was pulling off of the track and running away back to france and doing the same there. i think it is disengenious to say something like that... Jake is a pretty talented guy and maybe he wears his heart on his sleeve a bit and shows that he wasnt having fun out there on the bike, but to make the leap that he was a poor choice over CP is a big stretch my friend.
It isn't a CP377 topic but for the record:

2009 East - West Shoot Out
Christophe Pourcel - 1st
Jake Weimer - 4th

2009 Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross - 250 Motocross
Christophe Pourcel - 492 Points
Jake Weimer - 353 Points

2010 East - West Shoot Out
Jake Weimer - 1st
Christophe Pourcel 3th

2010 Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross - 250 Motocross
Christophe Pourcel - 443 Points
Jake Weimer - 195 Points

And if you look at there records: Christophe Pourcel won 3 championships & Jake Weimer won 1 championship
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Hank_Thrill 12/3/2011 10:02am
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Great post up there @Hank_Thrill. The 450 class seems to engulf riders like quicksand. As a lites winner, if your not in those top battles your...
Great post up there @Hank_Thrill.

The 450 class seems to engulf riders like quicksand. As a lites winner, if your not in those top battles your not in the spot light and your probably feeling shit about your career. When it was Reed + Stewart (or RC) beating the field by 30 secs, 3rd spot was still open on the podium. Now breaking the top 4 'usually' means beating Reed, Dungey, Stewart or RV - and how many riders in the 2012 class can do that? Canard?

I think the 450 class (in its current form) must be especially brutal for guys like Tedesco, Weimer, Milsaps, Tickle.. guys on that tier. All past winners and champions, but realistically they now have little chance of winning / beating James Stewart & co. Where does that leave your ego & confidence?

One guy I'm curious to see through the whole season is Josh Hansen.
Thanks, you're right, it has to be extremely mentally tough. I would like to make clear my first post about confidence was about the sport in general, not Jake's specific situation. I think his tweets explained the context of his of his situation at the time of the filming. The fact that Jake was bummed is a great sign, though. That shows he is hungry, cares, and really wants and expects to bang bars with Canard, RV, Reed, Stewart, and Dungey. The guys who don't care anymore are the guys who have given up!

On a side note: one thing that comes to mind discussing all of this is how much confidence Mike Alessi had going into the Monster Energy Supercross (among many other outdoor seasons). He was positive in interviews, and felt confident the possibility of winning was there (having an outdoor section probably helped). Even people on here were talking about how he could win the thing. He started out the night great, leading in his heat, then hanging close to the leaders. But as the night wore on, Dungey, RV, and others guys seemed to shatter him mentally (he rode a lot different at the beginning of the night than at the end). That night just seemed like a good example of what kind of mental wars these guys go through while battling each other on their bikes.
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ODB 12/3/2011 10:37am
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REALITY CHECK .............Weimer has got to stop focusing on results and realize who is actually beatin him ...........hes a 5-10th place guy and Reed,Dungey,Villipoto,Canard ,Alessi and a few others will beat him on any given day .When Wilson and Barcia and a few others step up ,he might want to settle in as a top ten guy and hope for a podium per season .....................because thats all he is ........................so much talent out there ,you really gotta ride outside your comfort zone 100% of the race to podium

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Tumblin 12/3/2011 10:47am
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You do know they're trying to build a story line in these shows right? a little drama goes a long ways and certainly drama is a big part at the top of our sport. Hell it keeps us glued to these stupid boards!
Anyway, it's my opinion Jake was hired for development, results and to be a strong team mate...he's a good freind to RV, they train well together and he's phenomenal on a SX track. His outdoor speed is developing and he represents his sponsors well. I always look forward to hearing his insight...even though he doesn't look into the camera lense.
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CRF505 12/3/2011 11:09am
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I like Weimer and I think he will definitely be better in 2012 than he was in 2011. I just think his expectations for himself may have been a bit high for his rookie year. SX is definitely his specialty and after missing basically the whole season, I thought top 10's and knocking on the door of the top 5 is where he should be. Is he better than RV? No. Dungey? No. Reed? No. I don't see where you could expect many podiums against those 3. I think he'd be in the top of that next group following those 3 in SX, but outdoors? Nah. I was actually surprised he seemed so down on himself during that episode because I thought he was having a solid rookie season.

2011 450MX 24 motos - 2 Top 5's, 17 Top 10's, 2 DNF's
2010 250MX 16 motos - 5 Top 5's, 10 Top 10's, 2 DNF's, missed 8 motos due to injury

He really only fell off a little bit from his 2010 250 finishes against all the big boys. That's a solid season to me.
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machine 12/3/2011 11:12am
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ODB wrote:
REALITY CHECK .............Weimer has got to stop focusing on results and realize who is actually beatin him ...........hes a 5-10th place guy and Reed,Dungey,Villipoto,Canard ,Alessi and...
REALITY CHECK .............Weimer has got to stop focusing on results and realize who is actually beatin him ...........hes a 5-10th place guy and Reed,Dungey,Villipoto,Canard ,Alessi and a few others will beat him on any given day .When Wilson and Barcia and a few others step up ,he might want to settle in as a top ten guy and hope for a podium per season .....................because thats all he is ........................so much talent out there ,you really gotta ride outside your comfort zone 100% of the race to podium
I have to agree with this.
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bvm111 12/3/2011 11:18am
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chrisbuehler wrote:
I that it was a joke that some people thought he could produce the same results as CP. CP is def a level ahead of Jake...
I that it was a joke that some people thought he could produce the same results as CP. CP is def a level ahead of Jake IMO but unlike most in the USA I love Pourcel.
bvm111 wrote:
wait he was a level ahead when? when he was pulling off of the track and running away back to france and doing the same there...
wait he was a level ahead when? when he was pulling off of the track and running away back to france and doing the same there. i think it is disengenious to say something like that... Jake is a pretty talented guy and maybe he wears his heart on his sleeve a bit and shows that he wasnt having fun out there on the bike, but to make the leap that he was a poor choice over CP is a big stretch my friend.
cason402 wrote:
the decision Kawi made on Jake had little to do with probability of best results, and anyone who follows this stuff should know it. Kawi had...
the decision Kawi made on Jake had little to do with probability of best results, and anyone who follows this stuff should know it.

Kawi had a #1 rider, they were looking for a backup rider. CP with his past results had the confidence to believe himself to be worth #1 rider money. He was principled enough to hold out for it. JW had a few national wins and a 250 SX championship, a rookie who wanted a 450 ride and would accept the salary of a rider stepping up. That was Kawi's legit business decision.

CP is a badass, has handed RD and TC big cans of whoopass for a solid two seasons. I respect the guy for his decisions, the guy certainly knows the incredible price that can be paid at those speeds.
I never said that he wasnt a fast rider.... CP is very fast... and I am a fan. The point was that Kawasaki made a poor choice in re-signing Jake and that CP was a level ahead of of him at the time they signed him. I think the results when CP finally took to the outdoor track and pulled off and headed to the GPs and continued to pull off there as well counter that point and make their and your arguments null... you are only as good as your last race my friend... and thats the bottom line!
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RaceFace 12/3/2011 11:27am
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JB 19 wrote:
I thought the salary that Pourcel was demanding was what got him passed over...........
jamma10 wrote:
Page 42: [url=http://ontrackoffroad.com/magazine/otor-october-11th-15/?numpage=36]Pourcel Interview[/url] [url=http://www.vitalmx.com/news/press-release/Injury-Update-and-Statement-Regarding-Christophe-Pourcels-2011-Contract,8320]Previous Statement[/url] “I’ve read and heard many of the things that have been said about me and my pursuit of a ride...
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Previous Statement
“I’ve read and heard many of the things that have been said about me and my pursuit of a ride for 2011 and nothing I’ve seen has accurately portrayed the situation. I prefer to conduct my business dealings in private but feel this situation needs to be addressed publicly to combat the misinformation that is out there. The only thing that I have asked for or have sought, has been something that would provide me with a program that is comparable to the way that that my competitive set of riders are being compensated and supported. I am not “holding out” for a specific amount of compensation as has been stated by a certain corporate spokesperson, but I have sought and continue to work toward a deal that allows me to have the resources I need to be competitive and to plan for my future after racing. I understand that times are hard for everyone and economic realities apply to me too, but I have to have access to the same type of resources that my competition have in order to be competitive with them. I’ve invested the results of my success so far in the United States back into the United States and hope to be able to continue to race there and enjoy the way of life there, in what I consider my second home country.'
Yeah, EVERY team passed on Pourcel and it had nothing to do with his asking price. That doesn't seem just a tad odd to you? Maybe his "comparable compensation" was using Bubba as the marker?
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Gukamonster 12/3/2011 11:33am
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It's great that Weimer managed to get a 2 year deal. I thought he did alright considering his back injury in 2010, plus the plated arm before the supercross season. Still, when a factory riders results are like his were outdoors, it's not going to be good enough to continue getting that kind of support.

2012 is a critical year for his career, at minimum he needs a podium if he wants to earn a decent salary and actually make money at this sport for next year and the years ahead.
zapadamnist 12/3/2011 11:43am
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chrisbuehler wrote:
I that it was a joke that some people thought he could produce the same results as CP. CP is def a level ahead of Jake...
I that it was a joke that some people thought he could produce the same results as CP. CP is def a level ahead of Jake IMO but unlike most in the USA I love Pourcel.
bvm111 wrote:
wait he was a level ahead when? when he was pulling off of the track and running away back to france and doing the same there...
wait he was a level ahead when? when he was pulling off of the track and running away back to france and doing the same there. i think it is disengenious to say something like that... Jake is a pretty talented guy and maybe he wears his heart on his sleeve a bit and shows that he wasnt having fun out there on the bike, but to make the leap that he was a poor choice over CP is a big stretch my friend.
MXMattii wrote:
It isn't a CP377 topic but for the record: [b]2009 East - West Shoot Out[/b] Christophe Pourcel - 1st Jake Weimer - 4th [b]2009 Lucas Oil...
It isn't a CP377 topic but for the record:

2009 East - West Shoot Out
Christophe Pourcel - 1st
Jake Weimer - 4th

2009 Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross - 250 Motocross
Christophe Pourcel - 492 Points
Jake Weimer - 353 Points

2010 East - West Shoot Out
Jake Weimer - 1st
Christophe Pourcel 3th

2010 Lucas Oil AMA Pro Motocross - 250 Motocross
Christophe Pourcel - 443 Points
Jake Weimer - 195 Points

And if you look at there records: Christophe Pourcel won 3 championships & Jake Weimer won 1 championship
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BESTY #72 12/3/2011 12:07pm
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Weimers good, but you have to understand the frustration-depression. Coming back from the injury and working your ass off to finish where he was. He didnt get picked over CP. CP never spoke to anyone, other than Motoconcepts when it was too late..(LOL!)

I think the realisation that the 450 class is amazingly hard has hit him. He went on about the same training programme as the champ, right? And was puzzled why it was working for him.. It's purely speed. RV owned outdoors every year he rode it. Where was Weimer? You dont just train with the champ, jump on the same bike and go out and win. And i think thats what he's gotta think. Can't wait to see how he fairs this year in SX. Healthy, commited on a new 'proven' bike. He has the style, pace and even speed in doors. Easily a top 5 guy, along with peeps like Tickle, JB, Metty, Shorty, Hanny, Hill etc..
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Cook441 12/3/2011 1:06pm
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I lost a lot of respect for Weimer when he bashed on RC on twitter for being a bit over zealous when announcing Dungey. A guy like weimer could learn a lot from someone like RC and or even Ryan Dungey- (I'd be asking myself and even them what did they do to smooth the trasnsition, whats worth it whats not etc-)

Time will tell but it's looking like Weimer is gonna be another PC star that can't make the transition and dominate like they did in small bike class (I know we are only one season in, but the struggles continued at monstwer cup from what I saw)-

on a side note-Isn't it ironic how many times we see this and strange how many ex PC stars can't make the move-why is that? Are those bikes sooo badass they give them the confidence they need?
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Adam43 12/3/2011 1:24pm
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Jake looked like he was riding hurt all last year. Rode much stiffer than he did in the past, which makes sense if he fucked his back. He can get it done though, look at the videos of him riding before the season last year. He was almost as fast as RV.

Not everyone can win right off and its probably naive of Weimer to think he should beat all those guys right away. He just needs to keep grinding it out.
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Hank_Thrill 12/3/2011 1:25pm
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ODB wrote:
REALITY CHECK .............Weimer has got to stop focusing on results and realize who is actually beatin him ...........hes a 5-10th place guy and Reed,Dungey,Villipoto,Canard ,Alessi and...
REALITY CHECK .............Weimer has got to stop focusing on results and realize who is actually beatin him ...........hes a 5-10th place guy and Reed,Dungey,Villipoto,Canard ,Alessi and a few others will beat him on any given day .When Wilson and Barcia and a few others step up ,he might want to settle in as a top ten guy and hope for a podium per season .....................because thats all he is ........................so much talent out there ,you really gotta ride outside your comfort zone 100% of the race to podium
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I have to agree with this.
Umm.... But what if he progresses? You're talking like it is impossible to improve as a racer. RC wasn't very hot his first supercross season, but he wanted to get better, worked hard, and never settled. Like previously mentioned, Jake was right there with Canard in their last supercross season on the lites bikes. I think Jake has the best chance out of anyone else in the 450 class to become a top tier guy.

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