Can JGR manage Stewart?

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Edited Date/Time 1/26/2012 6:03pm
In my opinion, The only problem with James' bike last year was his set up. The interview of Sergio said it all. They set the bike up for speed and big jumps and sacraficed the most important thing, turning. If he was willing to ride the bike within it's limits he would have won. He wanted to jump things no one else could and blitz the whoops faster than everone else and that is what his bike was set up for. Hopefully someone at JGR will tell him, No James, you do not need to jump that quad-quad to win. What you need is to set the bike up for the whole track and not depend only on your ability to jump big shit and blitz the whoops.


So, can JGR Manage Stewart and get him to do what is needed to win the Championship or will they let him dictate set up and stratagy?
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montana262 10/25/2011 12:00pm
10/25/2011 12:00pm
Racerxonline: Stewart says with this team he gets to just focus on racing. With old team "It always seemed like something was going on."
montana262 10/25/2011 12:00pm
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One of the most telling things of the Stewart PC: he commented on the constant behind-the-scenes drama from his previous team..
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peelout 10/25/2011 12:02pm
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montana262 wrote:
One of the most telling things of the Stewart PC: he commented on the constant behind-the-scenes drama from his previous team..
funny, Reed commented on the same thing

Wink
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ga_pike 10/25/2011 12:05pm
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MotoChief wrote:
In my opinion, The only problem with James' bike last year was his set up. The interview of Sergio said it all. They set the bike...
In my opinion, The only problem with James' bike last year was his set up. The interview of Sergio said it all. They set the bike up for speed and big jumps and sacraficed the most important thing, turning. If he was willing to ride the bike within it's limits he would have won. He wanted to jump things no one else could and blitz the whoops faster than everone else and that is what his bike was set up for. Hopefully someone at JGR will tell him, No James, you do not need to jump that quad-quad to win. What you need is to set the bike up for the whole track and not depend only on your ability to jump big shit and blitz the whoops.


So, can JGR Manage Stewart and get him to do what is needed to win the Championship or will they let him dictate set up and stratagy?
What if they set the bike up to jump the quad-quad AND turn? I think JGR is going to be able to do just that. James said himself the resources at JGR will allow them to do things other teams couldn't or wern't willing to do. I'd say JGR is closer to old school factory bikes than the factory teams of today are, simply for their ability and access to the resources necessary to build one-off parts. The NASCAR effect is bigger than many think. I have a feeling you will see something special from JS7 and JGR this season.

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NP301 10/25/2011 12:08pm
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ga_pike wrote:
What if they set the bike up to jump the quad-quad AND turn? I think JGR is going to be able to do just that. James...
What if they set the bike up to jump the quad-quad AND turn? I think JGR is going to be able to do just that. James said himself the resources at JGR will allow them to do things other teams couldn't or wern't willing to do. I'd say JGR is closer to old school factory bikes than the factory teams of today are, simply for their ability and access to the resources necessary to build one-off parts. The NASCAR effect is bigger than many think. I have a feeling you will see something special from JS7 and JGR this season.
JGR Makes better bikes then the factory's. IF they were off Yamaha Wink
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ga_pike 10/25/2011 12:10pm
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ga_pike wrote:
What if they set the bike up to jump the quad-quad AND turn? I think JGR is going to be able to do just that. James...
What if they set the bike up to jump the quad-quad AND turn? I think JGR is going to be able to do just that. James said himself the resources at JGR will allow them to do things other teams couldn't or wern't willing to do. I'd say JGR is closer to old school factory bikes than the factory teams of today are, simply for their ability and access to the resources necessary to build one-off parts. The NASCAR effect is bigger than many think. I have a feeling you will see something special from JS7 and JGR this season.
NP301 wrote:
JGR Makes better bikes then the factory's. IF they were off Yamaha Wink
Well, I think if the Yamahas were that bad, JGR wouldn't be using them. With as many resources as they have, they could make a Vespa competitive. Smile

I've never been a Yamaha fan, but if anybody can make them work, I'd put my $$$ on JGR.
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mxman 10/25/2011 12:36pm
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With his ole mechanic running the team..... Stewart should have very little issues with bike setup.
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Jumping big jumps and blitzing the whoops is what ALL of the top five guys do. If you "ain't" you ain't winning.


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montana262 wrote:
One of the most telling things of the Stewart PC: he commented on the constant behind-the-scenes drama from his previous team..
Like..............his TV show?? That had/has to be a huge distraction overall to his racing effort.
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TeamGreen 10/25/2011 1:47pm
10/25/2011 1:47pm Edited Date/Time 10/25/2011 1:48pm
The YZF takes a lil' bit of Chassis-Magic that goes beyond just suspension settings & the usual "Triple-Clamp" & "Wheelbase" games that everyone loves to play. It requires attention to the "weighting" of the bike...front to rear...and the positioning of things that don't often get "repositioned"...unless you're factory Honda and it's 2004, that is (The point: This situation ain't new...it's just rare).

This is something that J-Bone and company seem to have under control...and others don't/didn't.

JGR, also, has had the means to get waaaaaaaaaaay too much POWER out of that bike; so, the dividend is that they can build ANY-KIND of Power-Characteristic that the riders wants or needs. In this case: Torque. Early and forever...

James is already dialing the "Complete-Pkg" in well beyond ANY of his previous bikes..."if" you believe the hype.

I do.

So, it's not "Can JGR manage Stewart?".

It's "Can the Competition manage a CONTENT JS7?"

I'm jus' sayin'...
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CRF107 10/25/2011 1:49pm
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Hey, if they can manage that prick Kyle Busch, they can handle anyone!
bobbygrin22 10/25/2011 1:52pm
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Will he be doing Bubba's world from NC as well? Smile
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txmxer 10/25/2011 2:00pm
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His bike wasn't set up for the whoops...it may have supposed to have been set up for the whoops, but the whoops put him on the ground more than once.
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bultokid 10/25/2011 2:02pm
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You got to love the 'net, where else can us keyboard warriors know more about set-up and tell one of the fastest riders in the world how he should set his bike up.....funny stuff.
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MotoChief 10/25/2011 2:39pm
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bultokid wrote:
You got to love the 'net, where else can us keyboard warriors know more about set-up and tell one of the fastest riders in the world...
You got to love the 'net, where else can us keyboard warriors know more about set-up and tell one of the fastest riders in the world how he should set his bike up.....funny stuff.
Did you read the Sergio interview where he went into detail about the struggles last year?
rustytrombone 10/25/2011 3:08pm
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bultokid wrote:
You got to love the 'net, where else can us keyboard warriors know more about set-up and tell one of the fastest riders in the world...
You got to love the 'net, where else can us keyboard warriors know more about set-up and tell one of the fastest riders in the world how he should set his bike up.....funny stuff.
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bobby397 10/25/2011 3:35pm
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P wrote:
Jumping big jumps and blitzing the whoops is what ALL of the top five guys do. If you "ain't" you ain't winning.


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jumping isnt where the races are won, its the turns. anyone of those guys can jump that shit, reed, rv, windham,etc.

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I know villapoto talked about his struggles in the difficulty of off setting all the additional weight in his leg... it's taken sometime but I think they may have officially figured it out ;-)
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MotoChief wrote:
In my opinion, The only problem with James' bike last year was his set up. The interview of Sergio said it all. They set the bike...
In my opinion, The only problem with James' bike last year was his set up. The interview of Sergio said it all. They set the bike up for speed and big jumps and sacraficed the most important thing, turning. If he was willing to ride the bike within it's limits he would have won. He wanted to jump things no one else could and blitz the whoops faster than everone else and that is what his bike was set up for. Hopefully someone at JGR will tell him, No James, you do not need to jump that quad-quad to win. What you need is to set the bike up for the whole track and not depend only on your ability to jump big shit and blitz the whoops.


So, can JGR Manage Stewart and get him to do what is needed to win the Championship or will they let him dictate set up and stratagy?
ga_pike wrote:
What if they set the bike up to jump the quad-quad AND turn? I think JGR is going to be able to do just that. James...
What if they set the bike up to jump the quad-quad AND turn? I think JGR is going to be able to do just that. James said himself the resources at JGR will allow them to do things other teams couldn't or wern't willing to do. I'd say JGR is closer to old school factory bikes than the factory teams of today are, simply for their ability and access to the resources necessary to build one-off parts. The NASCAR effect is bigger than many think. I have a feeling you will see something special from JS7 and JGR this season.
while i see your point Pike.....its a motorcycle, and there will always be trade offs when it comes to suspension....

Lastly, its not just about the bike, its the whole program that has changed that will make a difference more than anything.
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MotoChief 10/25/2011 5:54pm
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I do think we will the James that can run away with it this year. However, we will also see the RV and RD and TC that can run with him. This should be a great season.
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RaceFace 10/25/2011 6:03pm
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bultokid wrote:
You got to love the 'net, where else can us keyboard warriors know more about set-up and tell one of the fastest riders in the world...
You got to love the 'net, where else can us keyboard warriors know more about set-up and tell one of the fastest riders in the world how he should set his bike up.....funny stuff.
I bet every person that has posted in this thread knows more about "how to setup a bike for James" than James does (a bit sarcastic).

But he admits he is pretty much useless as a test rider or in giving input as to what is needed. This is a HUGE part of his problem. There is only one person that can test the bike at his speeds but that person cannot provide any usefull feedback to work with. So, it is hit or miss. All he knows is "I like it" or "I don't like it"...again, by his own admission.
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bultokid wrote:
You got to love the 'net, where else can us keyboard warriors know more about set-up and tell one of the fastest riders in the world...
You got to love the 'net, where else can us keyboard warriors know more about set-up and tell one of the fastest riders in the world how he should set his bike up.....funny stuff.
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Stewart will own the Redskins by the end of this contract
TripleFive 10/25/2011 6:26pm
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It is my opinion that James' biggest problem isn't the bike.

If Coy Gibbs is anything like his dad, he's in PERFECT hands.

The guy has turned characters with much larger 'composure issues' into champions.

Look what he's done to Tony Stewart and Kyle Busch. If you look at their careers before they started with JGR you can find many parallel to JS.
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AUS_Twisted 10/25/2011 7:16pm
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bultokid wrote:
You got to love the 'net, where else can us keyboard warriors know more about set-up and tell one of the fastest riders in the world...
You got to love the 'net, where else can us keyboard warriors know more about set-up and tell one of the fastest riders in the world how he should set his bike up.....funny stuff.
It's a known fact when James was on the Kawi earlier on he had a very stiff front end causing him to lose the front wheel in turns many times, regardless how good someones riding ability is you need to find a bit of balance. If James has the right balance next year he will be hard to beat with good starts.
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fader418 10/25/2011 7:22pm
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bultokid wrote:
You got to love the 'net, where else can us keyboard warriors know more about set-up and tell one of the fastest riders in the world...
You got to love the 'net, where else can us keyboard warriors know more about set-up and tell one of the fastest riders in the world how he should set his bike up.....funny stuff.
^^^ This^^
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Faceaz 10/25/2011 8:12pm
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James hang it out there everytime he rides. He rides to win & IMO nobody will change that. I hope he gets a couple more Championships, but if he does, it won't be because he backed it down a notch.
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Hank_Thrill 10/25/2011 8:51pm
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He may be on a better team and better bike, but he also needs to learn how to accept not winning. James has spent so much time throughout his life winning, he sort of panics and loses his composure if he is not in first. It also seems like he's only comfortable if he has big lead - winning by a few seconds is not enough. Out of all the guys on the track, he truly has the least experience when it comes to racing with someone on his rear wheel, or losing a race, because he has been such a dominate racer throughout his life.

With that said, this is going to be a super exciting season.
motov8tedcre8tor 10/25/2011 9:08pm
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It would help if he would take a page from Dungey's book and learn to be consistent and finish all of the races on the podium and take what he can get and stop trying to always ride on the ragged edge. I'm sure he has probably been drilled over and over by his camp about not riding over his head and taking unnecessary chances, especially last year, but something always seems to happen to him once the gate drops and he just HAS to not just win, but win big. Hopefully someone at JGR can drill it into his head to always look at the big picture and when something goes wrong like a bad start, don't panic and try to go into warp speed and make a bad situation worse. We have seen way too much of that from Stewart, especially last year.

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