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No the women are not taking ride away from any superior being men by being provided "factory-support", if the women weren't there the budget wouldn't exist anyway so it's not like someone else would get the money.
It is definitely not a 2-storkes series, or not an Amateur 125 series that will get OEM budget. The National Amateurs series already exist and riders at those races are already getting OEM support.
If there's no women series, everybody will save the money, not use it for something else.
Do any of the 2-strokes die-hard cult members look at the MIC motorcycle sales? I mean get out of the little tiny world of MX racing in the US, look at the overall dirt bike sales. I don't see any drop in sales for the 4-strokes triggered by anything else than the melting of dispensable cash for leisure.
The AMA need racing more than racing needs the AMA, time to show them the door
I guess it is Fiolek's fault that Townley went back to the GPs, got hurt, called it quits, wants to come back to the states and do nationals only and get full factory equipment with a hefty salary versus all the talent already in the class capable of beating him... yea it's Fiolek's fault...
Chad Reed couldn't get Factory Honda parts until Canard was ultimately out of the sx season, I guess that is Fiolek's fault huh?
There were about 12 million riders under the Star/DNA tent this summer, I guess if JP$ had not been there there could have been 12 million and one huh?
I am being completely sarcastic and maybe I'm just in my sarcastic zone today but damn this thread is full of "ideas" and no "heart of motocross realistic thinking"... Maybe I am biased because one of the first times I ever lined up on a gate and had my first race it was against JP$. She has poured her heart and soul in this sport and still struggles to put aside money to just start a life after racing... Early May and AC92 probably make more than her, I think the current system works well enough. Hell riders already struggle financially just to make it to LL each year which only consists of two races near their home and one across the country.
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So the money being spent on the WMX will give Georke, Townley, Hahn, Albertson, Millsaps, and Wey rides? I will be 100% honest and tell you I do not care to watch those guys ride around in 10th. I also don't care to watch AC92 walk away 20+ seconds every race. I also don't care watch Bell get the holeshot at MEC and walk away and then Hill get the next holeshot and walk away... super exciting, super. The fact of the matter is they are the best in the world, and even though I do not like watching them and I would rather see Poto and Dungey killing it or Reed and Stewart bashing each others' heads in on the last lap, I respect them and know they deserve to be out there. Just like I respect the fact the females should be out there, it is not JP and Fiolek's fault no one else can touch them. Just like it was not RC's fault no one could touch him, there's several years of mx viewing I'll never get back. And "people are payign to watch?" You act like the WMX is taking away from your dollar spent, they are pretty much an addition over the past few years.
If you want to see amateurs go to Mammoth, Texas, Mesquite, Ponca, Loretta's, Walton, Gatorback, Vurb Classic, MEC.. those events need support too. If you want to see Townley ride then tell him to figure out a schedule and stick to it and quit jumping the seas and beat Canard, Poto, Reed, JS, or Dungey and I am sure the WMX will have no bearing on where/how he gets support.
And I can tell this argument will go no where but I will agree that it is not exciting to watch the WMX. Just like it is not exciting to watch 3/4 of the classes at LL, just like it is not exciting to watch some of the 250 and 450 motos when one of the bosses get the holeshot. And you cannot watch 40 guys at one time or see all of the mx track from one viewing spot, so maybe we should argue the money we spend in regard to those issues as well. It is easy to throw ideas out there and have an opinion on what is exciting or bang for your buck, but every one is different and likes different things. So there is no clear definite answer, same way our health care system is screwed an Obamacare won't fix it either.
Now if you guys can excuse me I'm going to take a break from studying health care and writing this concussion study that will be published next year that I share authorship on (which by the way will be the first concussion study involving mx athletes of its kind) and go buy some reading comprehension books.
Shane Lusk
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Every year more very talented young girls jump into the class. a few more years and the top 20 will be very fast.
I'm thinking WMX on pro day might be geared more toward female racing as a whole as far as amateur female racing and the female classes at LL, not necessarily attracting fans on pro day. Just my thought on the motivation there.
Shane Lusk
Sorry to the cult members of the "bring the 2-stroke back in AMA Pro" and "Kill WMX because Goerke needs a factory ride" but I couldn't agree more with this post.
Mag23, sorry but I don't even think I read your post, this is just another go-nowhere thread about the same 2 subject that are regurgitated over and over again. Like SL, I only replied because these threads are like a bad pimple on the nose.
People speculating out of ignorance of what is happening in business and in real life.
The consumers killed the 4-Strokes. I am not talking about the small mx racing part of the consumers, I'm talking about the weekend warriors who go practice mx, ride the desert, ride off-road and a bit of mx for fun on weekends. These consumers said no to the 2-strokes 5 years ago.
If people want great 125cc racing, go to the Amateur Nationals, great racing, great shows. Killing the WMX won't free budget for Goerke or Scott Champion, to the contrary, we wouldn't find reasons to talk about them if WMX is gone, since we always bring them out in those threads when we complain about WMX stars stealing bread from their dinner table.
Does that make me an expert, no, but considering my family's lifelong obsession with our sport I think my opionion should count. As a fan that has recently only attended SX events, maybe those that run outdoor events might want to know why I no longer attend outdoor events, after my son moved on past pro racing?
It really has nothing to do with the Womens class, but the whole program and the amount of top notch racing I want to see. My suggestion is this, I too want to see one more class added to program but I want to see the top pros race when I go to a national, not supermini not top amatuers, not under 19s on 125s, not celebs, not pitbikes. In fact I have no desire to see 125s, or 2 stroke only classes, I want to see more pro racing than 6 motos.
This would make me plan trips to 4 nationals in 2012:
Sat Program: Pro Women, Pro 250 Stock, Pro 250F Mod, Pro 450 Open. All classes must be AMA Pro license holders.
Start practice at 9AM, Races by noon and give us a chance to see the best racers in world on track 16 times in one day, 8 motos of the best racers in USA.
The new Pro 250 stock class could be a 250 vs 250 STOCK class to give those AMA pros that typically can't make the 40 man cut an option to sign up for a lesser class, and get them a a paycheck (even if its $100 for 40th).
I see most weeks 140 to 160 AMA pros attempt to make 40 man cut each week in 250 and 450 class and if there was an extra class maybe some these lower skilled guys could get some track time other than practice to help make jump to 250F Mod or 450F open class when they feel they and their budget is ready. 250 vs 250 is how they race most other non national weeks, stock adds fun element to racing and class to see for us bike buying guys to see. 250 vs 250 we like it the idea as fans and we see it every weekend we go racing.
I also think pro women should be on the afternoon bill, but so do some of those other 80 ama guys. Some will stll be in the stands after practice, that is part of our sport, those guys and girls need work harder or sign up for another class.
Those wanting to hear a 2 banger and see if an AMA pro can beat a 250F will get to see our best 3 digit guys give it a run, but me personally I still want to see our fastest 2 digit guys in the 250F and 450F on the best and most current tricked out bikes.
I think having 4 ama outdoor champs is a good thing, the only issue to work out is MX Sports capable of running 8 practices and 8 motos in one day....
After years of attending LL and seeing them run 99 20 minute motos in 5 days, on time to the half hour, tells me they can.
Davey that all I want as a fan, is a third mens pro STOCK class to help our privateers (and their race budgets), something new other than sideshow racing to give alittle more moto in my national experience.
Maybe this could be considered.
Steve Hunter
Bowling Green KY
Team186
As far as not seeing "top-notch racing" at the nationals, I would disagree with that, I think there has been very good racing outdoors in the last few years, and it's bound to get even better with people like Ken Roczen and James Stewart joining the series. No matter, we will work harder to make the racing better.
Thanks for the input and I will put them in the ideas-to-consider pile that comes from these threads.
DC
MX Sports
Those are interesting ideas, Mr. Hunter, and I know it would certainly add to the schedule, but I have a feeling that would be a tough fit for a pro national, and it might also dilute the talent by adding a third pro class. We already start at 8:30 a.m. and are looking at bumping back the main-event start time an hour in order to make room for possibly a couple LCQs....
As far as not seeing "top-notch racing" at the nationals, I would disagree with that, I think there has been very good racing outdoors in the last few years, and it's bound to get even better with people like Ken Roczen and James Stewart joining the series. No matter, we will work harder to make the racing better.
Thanks for the input and I will put them in the ideas-to-consider pile that comes from these threads.
DC
MX Sports "
Ya just had to throw that one in there huh Davey? This is gonna be another 10 pager now.
Sure wouldn't mind seeing a Pro MX3/Open/500cc( that allowed works bikes) AMA series/championship back in the mix.
Even if it was only a 6 or 7 round series held during the off season or even during the regular season.
"How many women actually race?"
You would have to say that the excuse that the need to run WMX is to market to this huge untapped resource is BS, because "Danicamania", sure didn't drive every young girl into karting and auto racing.
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