Roczen beat Dungey and 16 year old Herlings straight beat Villopoto !!

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10/8/2011 8:54pm
Gonna be the next superstar in the MX world for sure !! The biggest since JMB !!
yes but that wont take much cause JMB a one year wonder over here. I think Roczen be at least a 2 year wonder unless he keeps crashing in SX.
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Gonna be the next superstar in the MX world for sure !! The biggest since JMB !!
Haha. McGrath and Ricky came after JMB took his ball and went road racing. The biggest since JMB? Too funny.
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RaceFace wrote:
Haha. McGrath and Ricky came after JMB took his ball and went road racing. The biggest since JMB? Too funny.
for 1 yr. he was a bada$$, after that he was a never to be again... I have to think hard to remember him, but he did win 2 titles that one year... M.Pichon was supposed to... He was pretty fast on 125s but never could get a grasp on the AMA big bike class... He had to go back to the gps to win again... Yeah, I think thats what happened...
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10/8/2011 9:19pm Edited Date/Time 10/8/2011 9:20pm
I was there ! Saw it with my own eyes !! No excuses,straight up whooped them !!!!
He will come to AMA with his hat in his hand, and a job to do... He doesn't need you fools to jinx him... He will be in America from now on, if he wins here... IF he doesn't, he'll go home... Thats been history...
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10/8/2011 9:28pm
Lets talk about straight up. On Saturday with no rain all 3 americans smoked everyone. I like Ken alot but if anyone thinks he has anything for Dean o or Blake next year well you need to put the crack pipe down...
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Aaryn234 wrote:
He started at the same gate at the same time didnt he! I hate people that say something is not straight up when two riders line...
He started at the same gate at the same time didnt he!

I hate people that say something is not straight up when two riders line up on the same gate at the same time! The race starts at the same time for every rider and finishes when the chequred flag is waved, everything between the gate drop to the finish is straight up, mechanicals and all!
I agree with almost all of that except the mechanicals part.
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I wish all the fastest foreign riders would come to the states and ride....it's a win/win for us. We get to see them and if they beat our guys then our guys just go out and get faster as well....true story.
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I was there ! Saw it with my own eyes !! No excuses,straight up whooped them !!!!
Your A dumb ass.
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Are either from GBR?
10/9/2011 12:39am
Aaryn234 wrote:
He started at the same gate at the same time didnt he! I hate people that say something is not straight up when two riders line...
He started at the same gate at the same time didnt he!

I hate people that say something is not straight up when two riders line up on the same gate at the same time! The race starts at the same time for every rider and finishes when the chequred flag is waved, everything between the gate drop to the finish is straight up, mechanicals and all!
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I agree with almost all of that except the mechanicals part.
I DON'T agree. Any idiot can get a holeshot, right? I don't mean to say that it's easy, but you can luck into it, and the other guy can luck out, bouncing into others, etc. I understand the "straight-up" argument is annoying, but I do think it's legitimate...

Especially since I'm a Stewart fan. Gotta defend him somehow. Grinning
10/9/2011 12:52am
herlings passed villopoto? i thought villopoto got a bad start that race?
Villopoto caught and passed Herlings, but Herlings passed him back !!!
and do you think herlings can do that in an american race... that was the 1st and only day villopoto raced that track
if herlings races at southwick or millville he will be very hard to beat..
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if herlings races at southwick or millville he will be very hard to beat..
so will the top 20 qualifying americans.
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10/9/2011 2:29am Edited Date/Time 10/9/2011 2:48am
Villopoto caught and passed Herlings, but Herlings passed him back !!!
and do you think herlings can do that in an american race... that was the 1st and only day villopoto raced that track
if herlings races at southwick or millville he will be very hard to beat..
Yeah, maybe for 1 moto. Grinning Grinning Grinning Grinning Grinning Grinning
Wasn't that the standard of the last sand specialist they sent over here from the GP's?


JK...Smile
I like Marc and have always been a huge fan of his and it was great when he came over for the wick that year.
For completing only 1 moto,he still pulled a top 10 OA. Pretty cool.
Just sucks that he never came back after that. Sad
10/9/2011 3:10am
plowboy wrote:
I wish all the fastest foreign riders would come to the states and ride....it's a win/win for us. We get to see them and if they...
I wish all the fastest foreign riders would come to the states and ride....it's a win/win for us. We get to see them and if they beat our guys then our guys just go out and get faster as well....true story.
I wish all the fast Americans would come and take on the GP season too though,do you think they'd win every week when they're not in their own country week in week out? It'd sure be difficult

RV and RD are awesome riders,but they're not unbeatable as proved at the MXdN,they were hailed as the fastest on the planet and went 1-2 in the last Moto but its a shame Pourcel had a Mechanical,AC rode with a broken wrist and pulled out,Desalle and Frossard were out injured and Roczen wasn't in that race,now that would've been an Awesome race!
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10/9/2011 3:13am
when you make all these excuses about who was "out", all you essentially do is take credit away from those who were "in".
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fader418 wrote:
Lets talk about straight up. On Saturday with no rain all 3 americans smoked everyone. I like Ken alot but if anyone thinks he has anything...
Lets talk about straight up. On Saturday with no rain all 3 americans smoked everyone. I like Ken alot but if anyone thinks he has anything for Dean o or Blake next year well you need to put the crack pipe down...
IMO, Ken is the fastest lites rider out there. Dean is awesome has the best shot of beating Ken. Blake is all over the place. He scares nobody.
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10/9/2011 3:48am
fader418 wrote:
Lets talk about straight up. On Saturday with no rain all 3 americans smoked everyone. I like Ken alot but if anyone thinks he has anything...
Lets talk about straight up. On Saturday with no rain all 3 americans smoked everyone. I like Ken alot but if anyone thinks he has anything for Dean o or Blake next year well you need to put the crack pipe down...
HatersSuck wrote:
IMO, Ken is the fastest lites rider out there. Dean is awesome has the best shot of beating Ken. Blake is all over the place. He...
IMO, Ken is the fastest lites rider out there. Dean is awesome has the best shot of beating Ken. Blake is all over the place. He scares nobody.
Smile
10/9/2011 4:35am
and do you think herlings can do that in an american race... that was the 1st and only day villopoto raced that track
if herlings races at southwick or millville he will be very hard to beat..
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Yeah, maybe for 1 moto. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Wasn't that the standard of the last sand specialist they sent over here from the...
Yeah, maybe for 1 moto. Grinning Grinning Grinning Grinning Grinning Grinning
Wasn't that the standard of the last sand specialist they sent over here from the GP's?


JK...Smile
I like Marc and have always been a huge fan of his and it was great when he came over for the wick that year.
For completing only 1 moto,he still pulled a top 10 OA. Pretty cool.
Just sucks that he never came back after that. Sad
yeh marcs a good guy- he did pretty well to finish 3rd in the first moto on a track he'd never ridden before!

Herlings is a better sand rider than marc (in my opinion) - he's the best sand rider i've ever seen (better than everts!). Hopefully he will race southwick next year, i was hoping he would do it this year!

It's cool when gp riders go and race in the states for one off races- its a shame no american riders do the same (race a one off gp) - i really enjoyed watching marc race southwick, and also clement desalle rode well at the 2 nationals he did in 2009 and 2010 (finishing 3rd dnf at washougal in 09 on a borrowed, stock 450 honda, and finishing 2-2 at unadilla in 2010 on a borrowed factory suzuki- him and dungey had a good battle that day). De Dyker has done a national too (think he went 5-6)

I would love to see some of the top US riders come over to do a gp!
10/9/2011 4:38am
fader418 wrote:
Lets talk about straight up. On Saturday with no rain all 3 americans smoked everyone. I like Ken alot but if anyone thinks he has anything...
Lets talk about straight up. On Saturday with no rain all 3 americans smoked everyone. I like Ken alot but if anyone thinks he has anything for Dean o or Blake next year well you need to put the crack pipe down...
HatersSuck wrote:
IMO, Ken is the fastest lites rider out there. Dean is awesome has the best shot of beating Ken. Blake is all over the place. He...
IMO, Ken is the fastest lites rider out there. Dean is awesome has the best shot of beating Ken. Blake is all over the place. He scares nobody.
I would agree with that. I would have put rattray in the same category but beleive he is racing 450s next year? Not sure what to expect from Tomac either, he had some great rides in 2010 but was a bit off the pace most of this season. Bogle is an unknown too.

For me, Marvin and Dean will be Kens biggest championship rivals- Blake will win races, but unless he finds some consistency he wont be a championship contender. Deano has been super consistant this year, and Marvin knows how to win championships. I cant wait for the outdoors next year!
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10/9/2011 4:48am
fader418 wrote:
Lets talk about straight up. On Saturday with no rain all 3 americans smoked everyone. I like Ken alot but if anyone thinks he has anything...
Lets talk about straight up. On Saturday with no rain all 3 americans smoked everyone. I like Ken alot but if anyone thinks he has anything for Dean o or Blake next year well you need to put the crack pipe down...
HatersSuck wrote:
IMO, Ken is the fastest lites rider out there. Dean is awesome has the best shot of beating Ken. Blake is all over the place. He...
IMO, Ken is the fastest lites rider out there. Dean is awesome has the best shot of beating Ken. Blake is all over the place. He scares nobody.
Barcia will be in the mix next year too
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10/9/2011 4:54am Edited Date/Time 10/9/2011 4:58am
yeh marcs a good guy- he did pretty well to finish 3rd in the first moto on a track he'd never ridden before! Herlings is a...
yeh marcs a good guy- he did pretty well to finish 3rd in the first moto on a track he'd never ridden before!

Herlings is a better sand rider than marc (in my opinion) - he's the best sand rider i've ever seen (better than everts!). Hopefully he will race southwick next year, i was hoping he would do it this year!

It's cool when gp riders go and race in the states for one off races- its a shame no american riders do the same (race a one off gp) - i really enjoyed watching marc race southwick, and also clement desalle rode well at the 2 nationals he did in 2009 and 2010 (finishing 3rd dnf at washougal in 09 on a borrowed, stock 450 honda, and finishing 2-2 at unadilla in 2010 on a borrowed factory suzuki- him and dungey had a good battle that day). De Dyker has done a national too (think he went 5-6)

I would love to see some of the top US riders come over to do a gp!
The GP guys seem to adapt pretty good when they come over here for the most part.
I think it is because the World Championships have plenty of diverse tracks & venues and somehow the GP riders adapt to them quickly.

We do here in a sense also as far as the tracks go....have different types.
But traveling to different countries & venues and having to adapt instantly makes it more diverse for the GP guys I would assume.I think that is why you dont see any of the Top Americans taking a stab at a GP every now and then on an off AMA weekend. I can remember Alessi doing a few GP's a few years back or so.....but seems like he didn't really adapt all that well.

I also think that they look at it as a risk and see it as, they may have more to lose then possibly gain.
You have to also remember,we race almost year a round here if you take our SX series into consideration.
So having that off weekend to rest....I'm sure is something they really look forward to.
The GP guys in a sense get most of the fall,winter and part of spring off,unless they do a small Euro SX series during the fall/winter.
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yeh marcs a good guy- he did pretty well to finish 3rd in the first moto on a track he'd never ridden before! Herlings is a...
yeh marcs a good guy- he did pretty well to finish 3rd in the first moto on a track he'd never ridden before!

Herlings is a better sand rider than marc (in my opinion) - he's the best sand rider i've ever seen (better than everts!). Hopefully he will race southwick next year, i was hoping he would do it this year!

It's cool when gp riders go and race in the states for one off races- its a shame no american riders do the same (race a one off gp) - i really enjoyed watching marc race southwick, and also clement desalle rode well at the 2 nationals he did in 2009 and 2010 (finishing 3rd dnf at washougal in 09 on a borrowed, stock 450 honda, and finishing 2-2 at unadilla in 2010 on a borrowed factory suzuki- him and dungey had a good battle that day). De Dyker has done a national too (think he went 5-6)

I would love to see some of the top US riders come over to do a gp!
FastEddy wrote:
The GP guys seem to adapt pretty good when they come over here for the most part. I think it is because the World Championships have...
The GP guys seem to adapt pretty good when they come over here for the most part.
I think it is because the World Championships have plenty of diverse tracks & venues and somehow the GP riders adapt to them quickly.

We do here in a sense also as far as the tracks go....have different types.
But traveling to different countries & venues and having to adapt instantly makes it more diverse for the GP guys I would assume.I think that is why you dont see any of the Top Americans taking a stab at a GP every now and then on an off AMA weekend. I can remember Alessi doing a few GP's a few years back or so.....but seems like he didn't really adapt all that well.

I also think that they look at it as a risk and see it as, they may have more to lose then possibly gain.
You have to also remember,we race almost year a round here if you take our SX series into consideration.
So having that off weekend to rest....I'm sure is something they really look forward to.
The GP guys in a sense get most of the fall,winter and part of spring off,unless they do a small Euro SX series during the fall/winter.
I you think about it, thier having to go to different countries and having to adapt to the tracks is the same thing as our guys going to different states, since thier countries are about the size of one of our states....Smile


Also, I have been told by the Euro dudes on here that they keep just as busy as our guys racing their respective national championships in off times, along with the SX events, not sure if that's true or not, but that's what they claim.
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10/9/2011 5:16am Edited Date/Time 10/9/2011 5:17am
machine wrote:
I you think about it, thier having to go to different countries and having to adapt to the tracks is the same thing as our guys...
I you think about it, thier having to go to different countries and having to adapt to the tracks is the same thing as our guys going to different states, since thier countries are about the size of one of our states....Smile


Also, I have been told by the Euro dudes on here that they keep just as busy as our guys racing their respective national championships in off times, along with the SX events, not sure if that's true or not, but that's what they claim.
Hahaha Smile

I think our culture if pretty much the same throughout the US compared from going to lets say Brazil or Portugal to Glen Helen or Turkey VS Washougal or Hangtown to Red Bud or Steele City. Smile
I think our guys feel at home for the most part.

I dont think their schedule is quite as intense as far as racing goes.
The SX series is far more competitive then any of their off season series they have over there.
And obviously a weekend & week-out nation wide racing schedule is pretty intense,compared to a off season training schedule or a smaller national series over there.
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machine wrote:
I you think about it, thier having to go to different countries and having to adapt to the tracks is the same thing as our guys...
I you think about it, thier having to go to different countries and having to adapt to the tracks is the same thing as our guys going to different states, since thier countries are about the size of one of our states....Smile


Also, I have been told by the Euro dudes on here that they keep just as busy as our guys racing their respective national championships in off times, along with the SX events, not sure if that's true or not, but that's what they claim.
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Hahaha :) I think our culture if pretty much the same throughout the US compared from going to lets say Brazil or Portugal to Glen Helen...
Hahaha Smile

I think our culture if pretty much the same throughout the US compared from going to lets say Brazil or Portugal to Glen Helen or Turkey VS Washougal or Hangtown to Red Bud or Steele City. Smile
I think our guys feel at home for the most part.

I dont think their schedule is quite as intense as far as racing goes.
The SX series is far more competitive then any of their off season series they have over there.
And obviously a weekend & week-out nation wide racing schedule is pretty intense,compared to a off season training schedule or a smaller national series over there.
Oh, I thought you were talking strictly about the track diversity. The culture element is a valid point.


Your up early this morning. I need to get my butt in gear and load the bike up....Smile
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GP format is MUCH more racing. You actually race two days in a row.
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10/9/2011 5:33am Edited Date/Time 10/9/2011 5:35am
kongols wrote:
GP format is MUCH more racing. You actually race two days in a row.
If that extra day of racing was incorporated into 2 more days (going there & leaving) of travel and stretched the series out to 29/30 weekends of GP racing, that argument might hold some water. But IMO it doesn't. Wink
10/9/2011 5:43am Edited Date/Time 10/9/2011 5:45am
15 feb 2010


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To be fair in the first moto at the MXdN, Roczen did straight up beat Dungey, and IMO no one can argue with that. Roczen caught Dungey from the edge of the top ten, and passed him with time to spare. Although Herlings did beat Villopoto, RV did have to come from a terrible start, so straight up might not be completely correct.

But without a doubt, Roczen beat Dungey straight up in the first MX1/MX2 moto.
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10/9/2011 5:55am Edited Date/Time 10/9/2011 5:57am
steedmills wrote:
15 feb 2010


How did AC ,Russian Bob,Paulin,Strijbos,Simpson, Philippaerts and the rest of the top 20 or 30 GP MX1 guys... all do that weekend against each other? Smile

Feb 14th 2010
https://youtu.be/CKrx4E-G2lY

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