Dungey/KTM: 2 years, 5mil, new bike.

Interstellar Overdrive 9/5/2011 10:39am
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raddad wrote:
What happened to RV in SX etc. regarding the bike and injuries, he did to himself..What Newman is talking about is legitimate and RD should be...
What happened to RV in SX etc. regarding the bike and injuries, he did to himself..What Newman is talking about is legitimate and RD should be plenty pissed about all those mechanical failures that lost him two championships ( most likely)
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I guess you also think Pourcel was robbed on the 2009 lites national championship?
I wouldn't because Pourcel was in 5th when he DNFed and he finished in 11th in the second moto,. Even if Pourcel wouldn't have had a DNF, they would have only been seperated by a few points leaving Southwick. Pourcel ended up winning the final race the following week but by that point, Dungey had no reason to push it.

Even at that Dungey fans could bite the bullet and say that Dungey was pretty lucky that Pourcel DNFed and Pourcel was robbed. I'd say the same about RV; he's lucky that Dungey had a DNF because if not for that DNF, all else being equal, Dungey would be going into the final race with a 12 point lead. Good luck getting the RV nuthuggers here to admit it though. In a few years, they'll rewrite history and talk about how he dominated the 2011 Nats.
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Hope it works for RD. Seems like a lot of unknowns if they really are going to get a FI 450 ready to go. If it were the days of true factory bikes I could see it, but to work with what they have. Going to take a bit to learn all the intricacies of the bike and determine setting for the tracks, something he already had fine tuned with the Suzuki. It will be interesting though. What does he ride for the MXDN?
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PRM31 wrote:
Hope it works for RD. Seems like a lot of unknowns if they really are going to get a FI 450 ready to go. If it...
Hope it works for RD. Seems like a lot of unknowns if they really are going to get a FI 450 ready to go. If it were the days of true factory bikes I could see it, but to work with what they have. Going to take a bit to learn all the intricacies of the bike and determine setting for the tracks, something he already had fine tuned with the Suzuki. It will be interesting though. What does he ride for the MXDN?
if memory serves correct usually contracts are until like beginning of Oct or something. Thats why riders used to have the US Open as their first ride on the new bikes.
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Lightning78 9/5/2011 11:03am
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Is NOBODY even remotely excited about this part in the title of the new thread "new bike"

I for one am, should be interesting to see what this new bike is.

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Lightning78 wrote:
Is NOBODY even remotely excited about this part in the title of the new thread "[b]new bike[/b]" I for one am, should be interesting to see...
Is NOBODY even remotely excited about this part in the title of the new thread "new bike"

I for one am, should be interesting to see what this new bike is.
A 450SX with EFI?
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I just hope they can get the KTM set up well. As Emig mentioned in the broadcast, Dungey will be taking that bike to "uncharted testing...
I just hope they can get the KTM set up well. As Emig mentioned in the broadcast, Dungey will be taking that bike to "uncharted testing territory" at his pace. I believe setup to be crucial in order to run the pace both Ryan's ran this weekend, so I hope he meshes well with the bike. As far as his championships go, it is a bummer with the mechanical issues he has had this year. I think he shut up the critics though, in that he is a very deserving motocross champion.
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I think if KTM and Shorty agree on a new deal, that bike will be good. To me Short is one of the best test guys...
I think if KTM and Shorty agree on a new deal, that bike will be good. To me Short is one of the best test guys looking back at where he was able to bring the '09 Honda that everyone hated, to this year where it is one of the best bikes out there.
MC had a big hand in improving that bike too. That's a huge asset for any team.
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Lightning78 wrote:
Is NOBODY even remotely excited about this part in the title of the new thread "[b]new bike[/b]" I for one am, should be interesting to see...
Is NOBODY even remotely excited about this part in the title of the new thread "new bike"

I for one am, should be interesting to see what this new bike is.
HondaFan33 wrote:
A 450SX with EFI?
Nope. From what I understand it`s this bikes engine.
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kongols 9/5/2011 11:31am
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It`s a six pound lighter efi engine
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kongols wrote:
It`s a six pound lighter efi engine [img]http://motocrossactionmag.com/Uploads/Public/Images/11A/52009_450_500_EXC-F_engine_3803.jpg[/img]
It`s a six pound lighter efi engine
You just posted the 350 and the 450/500 enduro engines. Which do you mean?

Maybe they are using the new lighweight (diecast) enduro cases with the current SX topend?
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Flatliner 9/5/2011 11:38am
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So does ktm have to have a specific number of the bike dungey is racing for sale?
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MXA did a 'what-if' write-up not long ago. Basically this engine in the 450 SXF chassis, etc. That's a big change, curious how the handling will be, what gremlins will arise, etc. Lots of testing to do. I hope KTM has someone riding the bike now for durability sakes. Hard to test to RDs speed though!
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Stillwell Performance
Ryan Dungey. Factory KTM. Two years, 5 million bucks......and a killer new bike, from what the rumors are..



http://www.facebook.com/stillwellperformance
It doesn't matter if they buy RD and he wins with a KTM every possible title in the world! YOU still buying the biggest piece of crap on the market! (Husky worse maybe). They have been doing it since late 70,s. Race one sell complete another.....Even when Honda had superfactorybikes back in the days the buyers bikes where good. A racebike with woodenscrews? Come on KTM?
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Matt Wozney 9/5/2011 11:38am
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Well, I did see Ryan's dad walk into the KTM rig at Steel City on Saturday morning. It was an interesting sight.
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skidsteer16 9/5/2011 11:42am
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PRM31 wrote:
MXA did a 'what-if' write-up not long ago. Basically this engine in the 450 SXF chassis, etc. That's a big change, curious how the handling will...
MXA did a 'what-if' write-up not long ago. Basically this engine in the 450 SXF chassis, etc. That's a big change, curious how the handling will be, what gremlins will arise, etc. Lots of testing to do. I hope KTM has someone riding the bike now for durability sakes. Hard to test to RDs speed though!
Yeah... so far I'd say the testing isn't going as well as it could be. cough cough Short cough.

Fingers crossed
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kongols 9/5/2011 11:50am
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You just posted the 350 and the 450/500 enduro engines. Which do you mean? Maybe they are using the new lighweight (diecast) enduro cases with the...
You just posted the 350 and the 450/500 enduro engines. Which do you mean?

Maybe they are using the new lighweight (diecast) enduro cases with the current SX topend?
You`re right , sorry. It`s this bike.
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2 years, 5 million excuses... can't wait. I hope the bike is fantastic and never breaks, but, I have a feeling that won't be the case. Unsure
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kongols 9/5/2011 11:51am
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2 years, 5 million excuses... can't wait. I hope the bike is fantastic and never breaks, but, I have a feeling that won't be the case...
2 years, 5 million excuses... can't wait. I hope the bike is fantastic and never breaks, but, I have a feeling that won't be the case. Unsure
I love RV fans, they are so supportive.
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It doesn't matter if they buy RD and he wins with a KTM every possible title in the world! YOU still buying the biggest piece of...
It doesn't matter if they buy RD and he wins with a KTM every possible title in the world! YOU still buying the biggest piece of crap on the market! (Husky worse maybe). They have been doing it since late 70,s. Race one sell complete another.....Even when Honda had superfactorybikes back in the days the buyers bikes where good. A racebike with woodenscrews? Come on KTM?
Not sure what you are talking about. Our 08 KTM144SX is a pretty amazing bike that we have had minimal issues with. The build quality is exceptional compared to the thirty plus Japanese bikes in my garage. Ease of maintenance deserves a big thumbs up. No tools required for servicing the air filter, one bolt removes the seat, three bolts (I think) removes the tank and shrouds, chromoly frame allows plenty of room to access nearly everything. Oh, those wood screws you must be talking about, the 6 mm headed aggresive coarse thread ones that hold the plastic shrouds to the plastic fuel tank??? Yeah I gotta admit those really suck compared to the seizing steel screw/corroding brass insert/ ruin the fuel tank setup that the Japanese use. LMAO. And the stock nickle plated exhaust system, Magura hydraulic clutch, Brembo brakes, billett triple clamps with 4 position bar mounts, aluminum fat bars and top quality chain really suck as standard equipment. The list price coming in under Japanese equipment really screws the pooch though.....

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Big wrote:
It doesn't matter if they buy RD and he wins with a KTM every possible title in the world! YOU still buying the biggest piece of...
It doesn't matter if they buy RD and he wins with a KTM every possible title in the world! YOU still buying the biggest piece of crap on the market! (Husky worse maybe). They have been doing it since late 70,s. Race one sell complete another.....Even when Honda had superfactorybikes back in the days the buyers bikes where good. A racebike with woodenscrews? Come on KTM?
newmann wrote:
Not sure what you are talking about. Our 08 KTM144SX is a pretty amazing bike that we have had minimal issues with. The build quality is...
Not sure what you are talking about. Our 08 KTM144SX is a pretty amazing bike that we have had minimal issues with. The build quality is exceptional compared to the thirty plus Japanese bikes in my garage. Ease of maintenance deserves a big thumbs up. No tools required for servicing the air filter, one bolt removes the seat, three bolts (I think) removes the tank and shrouds, chromoly frame allows plenty of room to access nearly everything. Oh, those wood screws you must be talking about, the 6 mm headed aggresive coarse thread ones that hold the plastic shrouds to the plastic fuel tank??? Yeah I gotta admit those really suck compared to the seizing steel screw/corroding brass insert/ ruin the fuel tank setup that the Japanese use. LMAO. And the stock nickle plated exhaust system, Magura hydraulic clutch, Brembo brakes, billett triple clamps with 4 position bar mounts, aluminum fat bars and top quality chain really suck as standard equipment. The list price coming in under Japanese equipment really screws the pooch though.....
Big has always got to stick a knife in anything Husqvarna or KTM related. Dizzy
TripleFive 9/5/2011 12:16pm
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So who's out at big orange? I think AS29 would make an excellent #2 rider as long as they fork over a few more cubic centimeters. My guess is MA800 is the odd man out.
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newmann 9/5/2011 12:17pm
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Big wrote:
It doesn't matter if they buy RD and he wins with a KTM every possible title in the world! YOU still buying the biggest piece of...
It doesn't matter if they buy RD and he wins with a KTM every possible title in the world! YOU still buying the biggest piece of crap on the market! (Husky worse maybe). They have been doing it since late 70,s. Race one sell complete another.....Even when Honda had superfactorybikes back in the days the buyers bikes where good. A racebike with woodenscrews? Come on KTM?
And these "good" bikes Honda sold to the public? Are we talking about the out of date 76-78 CR125 they foofed over and milked the life out of? The 75-76 CR250 that was so far behind the learning curve that they didn't even offer it in 1977? Or the 78-79 CR250R that looked so much like a works bike until you rode it and the non rebuildable rear shocks blew out on the first ride, the decreasing leverage ratio swingarm flexed like saltwater taffy and the 12 inch travel 37mm front forks made of overcooked spaghetti would have the front wheel turned right to full lock while the bars were full left going through the rough stuff? Or the 79 CR125 with all the same suspension issues as the 250 plus the 23 inch claw action front tire? Now, 1980 got better, but all the suspension issues carried right on over so do these qualify your statement of good bikes? Or the 1981 snow shovel front number plated pieces of shit they offered? Really, after the 73-74 CR250M and 74-75 CR125M, Honda really offered some shit up until 1983. The 78-80 CR250 and 79-80 CR125 made suspension shops rich back then inorder to get those bikes up to par with the chassis and engine packages offered from Honda.
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TripleFive wrote:
So who's out at big orange? I think AS29 would make an excellent #2 rider as long as they fork over a few more cubic centimeters...
So who's out at big orange? I think AS29 would make an excellent #2 rider as long as they fork over a few more cubic centimeters. My guess is MA800 is the odd man out.
Mike will be on a Honda somewhere..
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Outsider 9/5/2011 12:26pm
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2 years, 5 million excuses... can't wait. I hope the bike is fantastic and never breaks, but, I have a feeling that won't be the case...
2 years, 5 million excuses... can't wait. I hope the bike is fantastic and never breaks, but, I have a feeling that won't be the case. Unsure
kongols wrote:
I love RV fans, they are so supportive.
I guess you missed all the posts over the years blaming KTM for ruining careers and injuring riders? You don't think it will be 5 million times worse "if" Dungey doesn't dominate, gets a flat, breaks a lever, has an "electrical gremlin"?

Has nothing to do with being an RV fan my friend.
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A broken chain at A-2 and running out of fuel in Texas kept him from retaining the #1 plate again next year in both SX/MX. Although it's not over yet in MX though.
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ive rode several rmz450 and ktm 450s and id say they have similar turning character really. the suzukis no gem they are turds with no top end end but the race bike is highly polished at this point. despite that upon decoster going to team honda they developed the best race bikes. Suzuki was a also ran for years with their bike and engine design until decoster began managing the race team. that turned out pretty well. i say short finished mostly where he would have this year as did mike alessi. until a top guy in his prime goes there we dont know what will happen. i will say decosters track record of bike development is pretty good. many things were changed to suit him at both suzuki and honda and both had there best times with him steering the ship. dont be surprised when dungey is as much of a threat next year as he was this year. times they are a changin
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two major things i think Dungey is going to have to work with.....and a few other minor details that will hold him back in the short term.



1) Traction Control - KTM is behind in this area. they are the newest to EFI and will be behind HRC/Kawi/Zook. this is the future and a major factor in results this year. its motogp circa 2006+. over the next few years, its whoever can master the electronics that will have a major equipment advantage. Kawi has a huge head start.

tires dont matter as there arent really any "worx" tires at the moment. so take that out of the equation.

2) Suspension - between the other factory teams, its all six and one-half dozen of the other. the worx stuff is good for at least a second a lap. and at least a half second over the A kit stuff. WP has always been behind in this area. KTM will have to spend some major coin on development to get their stuff up to par with the worx kyb and worx/a-kit showa stuff at this level. but if anyone is willing to put the work in, its dungey. and if anyone can provide the infrastructure, its decoster and ktm.


which brings me to my final point. since decoster has come on board, they have completely revamped their american program in an effort to get it on par with the european tech they run. it wont happen over nite, but eventually, i see no real reason why decoster wont have the ktm america program on level with their gp program. and eventually on par with the american efforts of both HRC and Kawi.


KTM, decoster, and the dunge have their work cut out for them. but if anyone has the budget, know-how, and work ethic to get the job done......its the three parties involved. its a dream team to be honest. ktm will win everything in 2013 imo. and then begin a long run of dominance. i expect some growing pains next year, but from then on, ktm will be a force to be reckoned with.
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gsxr6 9/5/2011 12:54pm
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traction control is for novices. i doubt they can do it better than the top guys right hand. limiting wheel spin has its disadvantages especially flat out on a mx bike. it wont take.
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gsxr6 9/5/2011 12:57pm
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then again bubbles could probably use him some traction control!
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All I know is that I'd give my left nut for a KTM 144 2-stroke. Can't wait to see KTM with a real contender in the USA.
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Lightning78 wrote:
Is NOBODY even remotely excited about this part in the title of the new thread "[b]new bike[/b]" I for one am, should be interesting to see...
Is NOBODY even remotely excited about this part in the title of the new thread "new bike"

I for one am, should be interesting to see what this new bike is.
HondaFan33 wrote:
A 450SX with EFI?
a 400sx with efi

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