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This is a big issue here in CA. Newsom took Congressional boundaries drawn by a citizen's commission, redrew them to get more Congressional seats by doing things like merging conservative agricultural districts with wealthy liberal districts like Marin. This is seen as a move against Trump, but all it is doing is disenfranchising rural voters so Dems can seize more power. It's evil and even liberal cheerleader Arnold opposes it. I am voting no. These Dems think Trump justifies any kind of political chicanery they can come up with. Texas did something similar to favor Republicans and that is the justification.
Good on you for voting no. This is 100% a power grab to get more seats in the house. Newsom and his cronies want to balance the loss of Democrat seats likely to happen in Texas due to redistricting. They are presenting it as a "fight Trump" issue, but really they are cutting out any possibility of fairness in California.
I would never vote to put more power in the hands of politicians, even if they were on my "side." I hope CA Democrat voters agree, but sadly I think they will not.
Both sides are starting to play the same game.
Trump also threatened to withhold fed funding from NYC if they vote blue...He also said he will block SNAP payments during the shutdown, judges order be damned.
As the saying goes, 'don't dish it if you can't take it' or something like that. I wish it didn't come to this either but here we are unfortunately.
California has 43 Democrats and 9 Republicans in the House. In the 2024 general election, 58% of Californians voted for Harris and 38% for Trump. And they're going to redistrict for more Democrat seats?
Make it make sense.
Fuckin dumb asses around here I swear to God.... It passed. Watch em moan when they go to smog their cars and learn about the mileage tax that was snuck in there too
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Mileage tax? Don’t Californians already pay about $2 per gallon in a fuel tax? I filled up at $2.69 per gallon in Atlanta a couple days ago.
You guys passed a mileage tax? They keep floating that idea here in Washington.
Good grief...Washington loves to copy anything California does. 😒
Same with Illinois. 😡
The new projection is 48 Democrat and 4 Republican seats. Truly insane stuff.
Some of you have memories like goldfish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Texas_redistricting
Does everyone have to pay it?
How does this help the lower income people that Gavin says he cares about?
^ Yes, poor people who drive have to pay it. The mileage tax has been bantered around for years as a way to fairly tax the drivers in the state who drive electric cars. Wanna bet that the gasoline tax doesn't go down and we IC-engine drivers will be doubly taxed? (Hell, triple-taxed, actually. We already pay enormous vehicle registration fees, too!) They will place a GPS unit on your car to determine how many miles you drive. Big Brother at its finest. (I have a strong feeling that many cars in California, mine included, will continue to have mysterious GPS failures that simply can't be fixed.)
As for the "response" to Texas doing gerrymandering, two wrongs don't make a right. Also, Texas isn't California and they should be able to run their state however the hell they want; it has no bearing on the laws here in California. Fuck Gavin Newsom.
I'll compare the two since you brought it up. Let's look at "under-representation" in each state.
California minority party (Republican) -
2024 general election: 38% Trump - 6M voters
2025 House representation: 9/52 seats = 17%
21% under-representation of the Republican party in CA prior to prop 50.
Projected 2026: 4/52 seats = 7%
31% under-representation of the Republican party in CA after prop 50.
Texas minority party (Democrat) -
2024 general election: 42% Harris - 4.8M voters. (Ok, so by this metric of the popular vote, the Democrats deserve 4% more representation in TX than Republicans deserve in CA.)
2025 House representation: 12/37 seats = 32%
10% under-representation of the Democrats prior to Gerrymandering
Projected 2026: 7/37 seats = 19%
23% under-representation of the Democrats post-gerrymandering.
My takeaway is that both states underrepresented the minority party. However CA remains significantly worse, while disenfranchising an additional 1.2M minority-party voters than TX does.
Edit: math..
It's maddening. 2 to 3 cents per mile is what I read in a couple places, but who knows what to believe anymore.
We didn't forget, especially with Newsom crowing about it constantly. So rural CA voters are disenfranchised because of some shit that happened over in Texas. Only 5 percent of Californians live in rural areas like mine, compared to a national average in other states of 19 percent. So now rural people that don't support things like free benefits for illegal aliens, the government taking away your kid if you don't want their genitals chopped off, and pro-crime policies decimating the cities, now have even less voting power. Dems also think a Muslim socialist running NYC is also a great idea. I truly don't get these people, other than their white guilt makes them want to destroy American society and Western civilization (I was a liberal for decades before I got a clue).
Half the voters had no idea what they were voting for. This is what you get with direct democracy.
“When you’re thirsty enough you will drink the sand”. Thats how bad millions of Americans hate what has happened to our country since January.
Republicans are trying to do it here in SC and we are a red state.
Both sides are playing the game.
Texas started it.
Pit Row
once an individual has chosen a particular side/team to associate themselves with they will consistently vote against their own interests in order to go along with the crowd of their chosen team. This is equally the case for the run of the mill liberal and conservative.
I don’t think this is a mark against direct democracy/referendum voting but rather an example of just how stupid most people are. However, I do not believe this stupidity to be the natural state of man, or his default setting. This type of stupidity is a learned behavior that acts a safety mechanism. People are terrified to be “outed” from their group because of the potential consequences, both real or imagined, like loss of their means to earn a living, or get their living for free (welfare), that being outed or letting down their team could cause. It’s coercion at its finest. And a perfect example of what representative democracy does to people.
When you give up your autonomy and put the administration of your life into the hands of another person or group, the cognitive faculties that one would need in order to be truly independent and free and autonomous disappear.. the old saying is true: if you don’t use it, you loose it
Creating more politicians to pay with more taxes.
There are imperfections on both sides of the ledger that have to be acknowledged. That is direct vs representative. One way to view it is from your perspective that the average voter is stupid. I wouldn't use the term stupid but replace it with ignorant. Either way the result is the same and dominates the direct side of the ledger. No getting around it. The other major negative is the old axiom that we don't want two wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner. I don't know if representative democracy breeds apathy or not. As far as I know, there is no way to force people to educate themselves on the intricacies of government. The biggest downside to having a representative is the strong possibility that they will become unreliable. The remedy is to fire them by voting them out. But that also requires at least a certain level of knowledge. Neither is perfect but representative democracy is less imperfect than direct in my opinion.
Are you saying because I voted for Trump I shouldn't have had that yard sing out for a Democrat that I wanted in office? Or that I need to vote for the party I'm registered to? I'm so confused. Good thing we have you to rely on for what people do.
Correct me if I am wrong but I always thought that the districts were designated by the population size that was in that specific area correct?
They could only make District changes at a certain designated time after the census and not just when they feel like doing it.
California population is huge so they get more. States with less population had fewer.
"They could only make District changes at a certain designated time after the census and not just when they feel like doing it"
It's tradition in Texas but not in our constitution. So, they can do it when they feel like it.
Oh look someone with a brain…. Refreshing, let’s do Illinois next
As a former Republican voter in Illinois... I prefer not to look at those statistics again 🤣
Lumpy, this is a fight for the definition of the size and shape of each district that elects state reps to the House of Representatives. You are correct that CA gets more reps, and Prop 50 is a way to redraw the lines so that more of those people will likely be Democrats. For instance, the "bubble" around Sacramento, a liberal city, will probably be cut up into several shapes that stretch out to a place like Truckee, CA - possibly more rural and conservative, but 80 miles away. This will ensure that the tens or hundreds of thousands of liberal voters in Sacramento will outweigh those in Truckee, effectively stifling their vote and voice in our state. When before, places like Truckee, Fresno or Lone Pine would all lie in districts that voted Republican, now they will be in meaningless district maps that contain a distant city that votes overwhelmingly Democrat.
Note that this is just a dozen or so years after California passed a resolution barring the state from drawing its own district lines and instead awarding that authority to an independent, tri-lateral commission made of Democrats, Republicans and independents.
The majority of dumb f*ck voters today (a huge percentage of the population now) don't even know what they are voting for anymore. They are just voting against absolutely anything that is proposed to stand up against one orange man, who apparently touched them all in bad places. We are outnumbered by insecure-under-achieving-dumb -f*cks everywhere, as seen in New York, and this is what happens when you give them a vote.
I get where you’re coming from.
No worries, tho. In the end, I think we’re simply gonna leave them to their own devices.
And there are no dumb fuck voters wearing Maga hats?
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