Ohio train derailment/chemical explosion

TeamGreen wrote:

All politics aside: Who trusts what “The Government” is saying/telling the local citizenry versus what those same local citizens are reporting…showing…is happening to themselves and their...

All politics aside:

Who trusts what “The Government” is saying/telling the local citizenry versus what those same local citizens are reporting…showing…is happening to themselves and their domestic pets - animals- livestock? 

Btw, it’s now reported -with video- that this train was on fire/dragging brakes over  20 miles BEFORE the derailment.

indy_maico wrote:

Yeah, the article says the fire was seen on a doorbell camera 20 miles before the accident.

R66 wrote:

It is amazing to me to see the same  users defend the current administration no matter what the circumstance.  I think some of the defenders here...

It is amazing to me to see the same  users defend the current administration no matter what the circumstance.  I think some of the defenders here are bots here to promote a narrative. No real person could really think some of the things said here. 

TeamGreen wrote:

All politics aside: Who trusts what “The Government” is saying/telling the local citizenry versus what those same local citizens are reporting…showing…is happening to themselves and their...

All politics aside:

Who trusts what “The Government” is saying/telling the local citizenry versus what those same local citizens are reporting…showing…is happening to themselves and their domestic pets - animals- livestock? 

Btw, it’s now reported -with video- that this train was on fire/dragging brakes over  20 miles BEFORE the derailment.

R66 wrote:

It is amazing to me to see the same  users defend the current administration no matter what the circumstance.  I think some of the defenders here...

It is amazing to me to see the same  users defend the current administration no matter what the circumstance.  I think some of the defenders here are bots here to promote a narrative. No real person could really think some of the things said here. 

RandomUserName wrote:

there are only 2 responses they have: 1. "Trump did the same thing!" or 2. "It's because of Trump!" Then when you ask them to justify...

there are only 2 responses they have:

1. "Trump did the same thing!"

or
2. "It's because of Trump!"

Then when you ask them to justify their statement, they rage and change the topic. It's actually kinda funny to watch 'em spin.

Chatmore wrote:

Can you confirm it’s authenticity?

And let’s not be insulting by pretending you don’t have a ‘narrative’.

Chatmore wrote:

Can you confirm it’s authenticity?

And let’s not be insulting by pretending you don’t have a ‘narrative’.

indy_maico wrote:

I don't have a narrative, other than it was an accident due to a bearing failure. I used to work at a factory that built railroad...

I don't have a narrative, other than it was an accident due to a bearing failure.

I used to work at a factory that built railroad tank cars in Masury Ohio which was about 35 miles north of East Palestine.

One of the things I did there was stencil the logos, tank capacity, commodity, etc on the outside of the tanks after they were painted.

When I would stencil something like 'Hydrocyanic Acid' on one, I'd go look up WTF that was. I used to tell people not to buy a house or live within a mile or two of a railroad line when I saw what they shipped on the rails.

FYI, we used to paint a big thick red stripe horizontally around a Hydrocyanic Acid tank car, and a matching red stripe around each tank near the ends (called the heads)

This was to warn safety workers to stay the fuck away from one of them if there was a crash unless you were wearing a hazmat suit.

Just the vapors of that stuff will permeate your skin and kill you within minutes.

With all the fracking going on, they are now hauling liquified natural gas in tank cars. It is liquified by putting it under extreme pressure.

22 tank cars worth of LNG would be the equivalent of 1 Hiroshima nuke it there was a crash.

1 or 2 mile buffer zone ain't enough anymore!

 

Chatmore wrote:

Damn😳

early wrote:

To the rail industry's credit, there have been improvements in safety. But, with rail being the preferred method of transport for alot of hazardous materials oversight...

To the rail industry's credit, there have been improvements in safety. But, with rail being the preferred method of transport for alot of hazardous materials oversight needs to be constant, I simply don't trust the railroad companies to do what's right and safe on their own. I bet most of us live within 10 miles of a rail line that carries hazardous materials.

 

 

 

TeamGreen wrote:

People can say what they want about my home state…but… Even THE COUNTY Health Dept would be reporting ppm on ANYTHING that is THE SLIGHTEST BIT...

People can say what they want about my home state…but…

Even THE COUNTY Health Dept would be reporting ppm on ANYTHING that is THE SLIGHTEST BIT HARMFUL within hours…potentially “minutes” (less than an hour) from 1st responders reporting to the scene. As for water? Shiiit, they’d be ALL OVER that.

This lack of REAL INFORMATION & in a timely fashion…is the real problem.

What is/are the ppm of the various chemicals/known carcinogens? 
What are the known limits/thresholds? 
Why TF hasn’t this type of info been front and center from the very beginning? 
Why hasn’t the Sec-Trans been “in-front” of this…instead of behind it? (Pun?)

indy_maico wrote:

I also worked in the 'truck shop' at the tank car plant. The trucks are the carriages that have the wheels on either end. The older...

I also worked in the 'truck shop' at the tank car plant.

The trucks are the carriages that have the wheels on either end. The older ones had bronze bushings and a big fabric wick in a box at each end which was full of lubricant. They look like this. They were all supposed to be phased out and replaced with roller bearing axles like the second pic. I don't know whether or not there are any of those old ones still in service.

The tanks just sit on the cross pieces (called bolsters) and the only thing that holds them in place is gravity and that pin. I always thought that was crazy too!

 

 

early wrote:

To the rail industry's credit, there have been improvements in safety. But, with rail being the preferred method of transport for alot of hazardous materials oversight...

To the rail industry's credit, there have been improvements in safety. But, with rail being the preferred method of transport for alot of hazardous materials oversight needs to be constant, I simply don't trust the railroad companies to do what's right and safe on their own. I bet most of us live within 10 miles of a rail line that carries hazardous materials.

 

 

 

Chatmore wrote:

You’re the same person that said most of the chemicals weren’t hazardous. A fucking idiot, if you will.

TeamGreen wrote:

People can say what they want about my home state…but… Even THE COUNTY Health Dept would be reporting ppm on ANYTHING that is THE SLIGHTEST BIT...

People can say what they want about my home state…but…

Even THE COUNTY Health Dept would be reporting ppm on ANYTHING that is THE SLIGHTEST BIT HARMFUL within hours…potentially “minutes” (less than an hour) from 1st responders reporting to the scene. As for water? Shiiit, they’d be ALL OVER that.

This lack of REAL INFORMATION & in a timely fashion…is the real problem.

What is/are the ppm of the various chemicals/known carcinogens? 
What are the known limits/thresholds? 
Why TF hasn’t this type of info been front and center from the very beginning? 
Why hasn’t the Sec-Trans been “in-front” of this…instead of behind it? (Pun?)

early wrote:

https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=15933

https://epa.ohio.gov/monitor-pollution/pollution-issues/east-palestine

 

Joey Bridges wrote:

So now we're hearing that it's a company contracted by the train company, that's been testing water and air quality.  And not anyone from the EPA. ...

So now we're hearing that it's a company contracted by the train company, that's been testing water and air quality. 

And not anyone from the EPA. 

 

So while people are beginning to become sick, wild and domestic animals are dying, a lame ass pair of local shills in lab coats are standing around telling residents that all is well.

You're all just a bunch of hypochondriacs with head colds. 

 

And the transportation secretary is out bemoaning the fact that it's nothing but white guys showing up to do the work on construction projects. 

 

A side note:

We're seeing the current administration give more resources to criminal illegal immigrants, than lawful American citizens. 

And right before our very eyes. 

But hey, they're shooting down balloons, so it can't be all that bad.

(But remember, they're not space aliens)

 

You can't make this shit up, 

And, #FJB 

Chatmore wrote:

Wow. Is that so they can theoretically be switched out easily? That does seem crazy!

JAFO92 wrote:

indy_maico has helluva diverse resume of mechanical/engineering knowledge.

early wrote:

To the rail industry's credit, there have been improvements in safety. But, with rail being the preferred method of transport for alot of hazardous materials oversight...

To the rail industry's credit, there have been improvements in safety. But, with rail being the preferred method of transport for alot of hazardous materials oversight needs to be constant, I simply don't trust the railroad companies to do what's right and safe on their own. I bet most of us live within 10 miles of a rail line that carries hazardous materials.

 

 

 

Chatmore wrote:

You’re the same person that said most of the chemicals weren’t hazardous. A fucking idiot, if you will.

Joey Bridges wrote:

So now we're hearing that it's a company contracted by the train company, that's been testing water and air quality.  And not anyone from the EPA. ...

So now we're hearing that it's a company contracted by the train company, that's been testing water and air quality. 

And not anyone from the EPA. 

 

So while people are beginning to become sick, wild and domestic animals are dying, a lame ass pair of local shills in lab coats are standing around telling residents that all is well.

You're all just a bunch of hypochondriacs with head colds. 

 

And the transportation secretary is out bemoaning the fact that it's nothing but white guys showing up to do the work on construction projects. 

 

A side note:

We're seeing the current administration give more resources to criminal illegal immigrants, than lawful American citizens. 

And right before our very eyes. 

But hey, they're shooting down balloons, so it can't be all that bad.

(But remember, they're not space aliens)

 

You can't make this shit up, 

And, #FJB 

profeshenal125 wrote:

Yes Norfolk southern has its own air & water quality testing co. Corrupt Yes don’t expect the real data to ever be released. The railroad is...

Yes Norfolk southern has its own air & water quality testing co. Corrupt Yes don’t expect the real data to ever be released. The railroad is the gov love child. Subsidized by gov money. If all animals & birds r dead what does that tell you ? The river is polluted but they say it’s a big river nothing to worry about. They knew they had a problem with the train but never decreased the train speed. What color was the engineer ? How many yrs of exp does he hv ? How many violations does he hv ? Strange that the person responsible is not in question. After wotc these people used to be on 60 min. It would come out that there where the highest scoring minority but they failed all the test. Still they would put them in charge of a train to Derail it or a barge to run into a bridge support . Then in dense fog a woman driving to work falls to her death because the bridge collapsed. He knew he hit the bridge but avoids prison because he is a minority. I as s joke asked a NS supervisor in 47th Chicago railyard on where the empty’s where. He laughed & said we don’t even know where our locomotives r .we,ve been looking for a train all morning in here & just found out it’s in Ny. They pride themselves in being idiots because they know they can derail a train hv a major city evacuated & its swept under the rug. Trains violate speed limits all the time. Violate length etc . Mostly  Illegals work on maintenance crews replacing ties,etc. it’s a joke all the way back to the 1800,s.  They used slaves to build the rail . Including the Chinese out west.