AI Where Do We Stand?

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With AI becoming front and center where does everyone stand with it? So much can be accomplished but also can be harmful. What say you? It is going to be taking a lot of jobs 

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8/31/2025 7:16am

While AI can accomplish so many things beyond our dreams, it will also cause technologies we do not have the moral fortitude to control. It will displace many jobs. Unlike the cotton jin that created more jobs because it expanded the industry. Once that midlevel manager's job is replaced by an AI scheduling program. That job is gone. Unless we bring back fast manufacturing (which will take some time to fully automate and eliminate humans) our jobs will disappear faster than we can create new industries that will offer new jobs.

Here's the irony of all ironies, Bill Gates wants companies to pay a fee if they use robots vs humans. And yet the personal computer that replaced gajillions of people, he's just fine with that.

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8/31/2025 11:47am

Whoever runs and owns these AI platforms makes the money the rest of us are just users.  Henry Ford employed cities etc. AI takes away jobs and supports no one but its owners.

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8/31/2025 1:04pm

I don't like the AI enhanced videos where they take a famous scene from a movie and "enhance" it. I am getting a kick out of watching AI Sasquatch tell raunchy jokes on Youtube.

I sometimes am suspicious of articles I read that they were written by AI, which means no fact checking.

My nephew, who is a smart guy works somehow for a Telehealth type of company(he is not a Dr.) , he thinks its great, that it will make his job easier. Again, I don't know how. 

 

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8/31/2025 1:07pm

AI can be excellent at guessing passwords, so....keep that in mind with your online presence, but also imagine what kind of theft other countries can manage with that. 

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After witnessing the dumbing down of America caused by the plain ol' internet, I shudder to think what it's going to be like after 20 years of AI. People will soon not be able to read their own map, make their own decisions, or even be able to tell if a picture or video is made by real humans or not. Critical thinking and objectivity will be nearly extinct, but I guess they'll be irrelevant anyway. 

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8/31/2025 3:55pm

I already want to move off grid and deep into the woods. I hope I can achieve this before the future @Falcon predicts. 

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8/31/2025 5:25pm
Falcon wrote:
After witnessing the dumbing down of America caused by the plain ol' internet, I shudder to think what it's going to be like after 20 years...

After witnessing the dumbing down of America caused by the plain ol' internet, I shudder to think what it's going to be like after 20 years of AI. People will soon not be able to read their own map, make their own decisions, or even be able to tell if a picture or video is made by real humans or not. Critical thinking and objectivity will be nearly extinct, but I guess they'll be irrelevant anyway. 

So many men....MEN!!!...cannot read a paper map. They need their phone to tell them how to get from here to there. Boggles the mind.

Its like evolution in front of our eyes! 

We've gone from men taking pride in knowing what North from South was  to...taking pride that they own a phone that tells them what North from South is. 

Fuck me running.

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8/31/2025 6:38pm
byke wrote:
AI can be excellent at guessing passwords, so....keep that in mind with your online presence, but also imagine what kind of theft other countries can manage...

AI can be excellent at guessing passwords, so....keep that in mind with your online presence, but also imagine what kind of theft other countries can manage with that. 

Just another reason to keep my bad grammar and poor spelling habits. Makes it a bit more challenging for the password guessing game.

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8/31/2025 7:11pm

Like B.C. " Before Christ "

The new time stamp is 

B.A.I.

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8/31/2025 7:22pm

Easily the biggest invention we will see in our lifetimes.  It’s going to completely reshape society in my opinion.

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It’s just like anything else, it won’t necessarily take jobs, but it will change jobs.


When computers became the workplace norm, no one started working less hours, they just adapted to their jobs and the employer got to reap the benefits while keeping you at 40+ hours


It’ll be the same, instead of you doing the work, you will be telling the AI what to work on and QCing the AIs work


Sure, some positions will be “lost” but really they will just be changed



I’m not mister AI or anything, I usually just use if for BS artistic stuff (and maybe vital fantasy), but from what I’ve seen it has a long way to go.


ChatGPT fails at following prettt simple instructions for me most of the time


My previous job made its own AI system and it was even worse


I’m sure smarter people than me can use it well, but for me it’s just a toy at this stage


in 15 years it’ll enslave humanity and we will only have ourselves to blame

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Falcon wrote:
After witnessing the dumbing down of America caused by the plain ol' internet, I shudder to think what it's going to be like after 20 years...

After witnessing the dumbing down of America caused by the plain ol' internet, I shudder to think what it's going to be like after 20 years of AI. People will soon not be able to read their own map, make their own decisions, or even be able to tell if a picture or video is made by real humans or not. Critical thinking and objectivity will be nearly extinct, but I guess they'll be irrelevant anyway. 

Not to be too anti boomer, but that’s already happening. I see so many people that are over 50 posting/commenting on obviously fake videos on Facebook or sharing them, and it’s shocking that people can’t tell it’s clearly AI

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Artificial intelligence was founded as an academic discipline in 1956 per WIKI

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Falcon wrote:
After witnessing the dumbing down of America caused by the plain ol' internet, I shudder to think what it's going to be like after 20 years...

After witnessing the dumbing down of America caused by the plain ol' internet, I shudder to think what it's going to be like after 20 years of AI. People will soon not be able to read their own map, make their own decisions, or even be able to tell if a picture or video is made by real humans or not. Critical thinking and objectivity will be nearly extinct, but I guess they'll be irrelevant anyway. 

Not to be too anti boomer, but that’s already happening. I see so many people that are over 50 posting/commenting on obviously fake videos on Facebook...

Not to be too anti boomer, but that’s already happening. I see so many people that are over 50 posting/commenting on obviously fake videos on Facebook or sharing them, and it’s shocking that people can’t tell it’s clearly AI

Not sure what your point is...?

1st, boomers are over 60, not 50.

So you think your smarter? Come back in just 2 short years,  no one will be able to tell the difference. 

I would argue that more kids under 25 are duped than boomers based on exposure numbers to content. 

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Falcon wrote:
After witnessing the dumbing down of America caused by the plain ol' internet, I shudder to think what it's going to be like after 20 years...

After witnessing the dumbing down of America caused by the plain ol' internet, I shudder to think what it's going to be like after 20 years of AI. People will soon not be able to read their own map, make their own decisions, or even be able to tell if a picture or video is made by real humans or not. Critical thinking and objectivity will be nearly extinct, but I guess they'll be irrelevant anyway. 

Not to be too anti boomer, but that’s already happening. I see so many people that are over 50 posting/commenting on obviously fake videos on Facebook...

Not to be too anti boomer, but that’s already happening. I see so many people that are over 50 posting/commenting on obviously fake videos on Facebook or sharing them, and it’s shocking that people can’t tell it’s clearly AI

Not sure what your point is...?1st, boomers are over 60, not 50.So you think your smarter? Come back in just 2 short years,  no one will...

Not sure what your point is...?

1st, boomers are over 60, not 50.

So you think your smarter? Come back in just 2 short years,  no one will be able to tell the difference. 

I would argue that more kids under 25 are duped than boomers based on exposure numbers to content. 

Thought my point was pretty clear


Falcon said in a few years people won’t know the difference between fake and real videos

My statement is that it is already very prevalent with older individuals 

 

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It's not good. Whatever timeline you think it's on, is way off. 

Management jobs will be gone very soon. AI will make "best" management decisions based on all data available.

Hollywood is dead.

Writing is dead.

You say 2 years is when things change, I say 2 months. It is exponential now.

6 months ago, my company was condemning AI for use at work. Last month's all-hands we had, they encouraged us to use AI, and had their own system.

Anything on a "computer" is now easily hacked; including government computers. Face scans, video, CCTV, vehicle data.

 

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Thought my point was pretty clearFalcon said in a few years people won’t know the difference between fake and real videosMy statement is that it is...

Thought my point was pretty clear


Falcon said in a few years people won’t know the difference between fake and real videos

My statement is that it is already very prevalent with older individuals 

 

It's not just "old people" that are dupped by AI. Last year I might agree with you, but today, I would say that every single person on a digital platform has been dupped...100%. It will only get better from here on out.

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Falcon wrote:
After witnessing the dumbing down of America caused by the plain ol' internet, I shudder to think what it's going to be like after 20 years...

After witnessing the dumbing down of America caused by the plain ol' internet, I shudder to think what it's going to be like after 20 years of AI. People will soon not be able to read their own map, make their own decisions, or even be able to tell if a picture or video is made by real humans or not. Critical thinking and objectivity will be nearly extinct, but I guess they'll be irrelevant anyway. 

Not to be too anti boomer, but that’s already happening. I see so many people that are over 50 posting/commenting on obviously fake videos on Facebook...

Not to be too anti boomer, but that’s already happening. I see so many people that are over 50 posting/commenting on obviously fake videos on Facebook or sharing them, and it’s shocking that people can’t tell it’s clearly AI

Lots of bots posing as boomers liking and commenting on AI content. Mainstream internet is dying snake eating tail.

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FSD AI has been doing an awesome job driving us around North America and Grok has been an amazing tour guide. I was skeptical at first but now I'm a believer.

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Falcon wrote:
After witnessing the dumbing down of America caused by the plain ol' internet, I shudder to think what it's going to be like after 20 years...

After witnessing the dumbing down of America caused by the plain ol' internet, I shudder to think what it's going to be like after 20 years of AI. People will soon not be able to read their own map, make their own decisions, or even be able to tell if a picture or video is made by real humans or not. Critical thinking and objectivity will be nearly extinct, but I guess they'll be irrelevant anyway. 

Not to be too anti boomer, but that’s already happening. I see so many people that are over 50 posting/commenting on obviously fake videos on Facebook...

Not to be too anti boomer, but that’s already happening. I see so many people that are over 50 posting/commenting on obviously fake videos on Facebook or sharing them, and it’s shocking that people can’t tell it’s clearly AI

early wrote:

Lots of bots posing as boomers liking and commenting on AI content. Mainstream internet is dying snake eating tail.

Fair

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100% making people stupider. I saw a statistic of the % the use of ai went down when summer break happened and that's one of the scariest things. 

I saw a joke somewhere that we need to start taking care of our own health because our future Doctors are using ai to right papers and pass tests. 

 

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AI can be good (or not) in the sense that it can be good (or not) at doing what it's supposed to do. If I'm looking for information and it provides me with relevant, correct, and useful information, then it's served its purpose well, otherwise not. It can't be morally good or bad any more than a hammer or a saw can be good or bad. They are instrumentally valuable to the extent that they fulfill their purpose. If it yields incorrect result, then it's flawed in the same way that a hammer would be flawed if it fell apart when you tried to hammer a nail. Or, if someone uses them to harm someone, it is the person that used it that is bad, not the tool they used. You wouldn't say "bad hammer!" if someone hit you with one. Similarly, if, for example, someone is too lazy to do any actual research or vetting of AI materials that they post and it turns out to be nonsense, then you blame the person for posting nonsense - or not using a better program. So, the questions should be: Is AI developed to the point where it works well enough to be considered useful and reliable? Are people using AI appropriately? It could be that it's giving you poor results but you're either asking it poor questions, expecting it to do something it's not suited for, or you're using a poorly designed version of it ("AI" covers a broad variety of programs). Will it make us dumber? I don't think that's a possibility - it assumes agency where there is none. The thing that is possible is that we might make ourselves dumber by choosing to use AI instead of thinking. 

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I do say good car and bad car when my AI powered car makes a good move or a bad move.

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MPJC wrote:
AI can be good (or not) in the sense that it can be good (or not) at doing what it's supposed to do. If I'm looking...

AI can be good (or not) in the sense that it can be good (or not) at doing what it's supposed to do. If I'm looking for information and it provides me with relevant, correct, and useful information, then it's served its purpose well, otherwise not. It can't be morally good or bad any more than a hammer or a saw can be good or bad. They are instrumentally valuable to the extent that they fulfill their purpose. If it yields incorrect result, then it's flawed in the same way that a hammer would be flawed if it fell apart when you tried to hammer a nail. Or, if someone uses them to harm someone, it is the person that used it that is bad, not the tool they used. You wouldn't say "bad hammer!" if someone hit you with one. Similarly, if, for example, someone is too lazy to do any actual research or vetting of AI materials that they post and it turns out to be nonsense, then you blame the person for posting nonsense - or not using a better program. So, the questions should be: Is AI developed to the point where it works well enough to be considered useful and reliable? Are people using AI appropriately? It could be that it's giving you poor results but you're either asking it poor questions, expecting it to do something it's not suited for, or you're using a poorly designed version of it ("AI" covers a broad variety of programs). Will it make us dumber? I don't think that's a possibility - it assumes agency where there is none. The thing that is possible is that we might make ourselves dumber by choosing to use AI instead of thinking. 

You are not wrong about ai being a tool but is the tool worth using? 

The amount of wrong answers ai comes up with because it has to come up with an answer is a failing grade. Will it get smarter and better? Yeah maybe. But it is a computing system. The more wrong answers it comes up with, without being corrected, the worse the system becomes. 

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MPJC wrote:
AI can be good (or not) in the sense that it can be good (or not) at doing what it's supposed to do. If I'm looking...

AI can be good (or not) in the sense that it can be good (or not) at doing what it's supposed to do. If I'm looking for information and it provides me with relevant, correct, and useful information, then it's served its purpose well, otherwise not. It can't be morally good or bad any more than a hammer or a saw can be good or bad. They are instrumentally valuable to the extent that they fulfill their purpose. If it yields incorrect result, then it's flawed in the same way that a hammer would be flawed if it fell apart when you tried to hammer a nail. Or, if someone uses them to harm someone, it is the person that used it that is bad, not the tool they used. You wouldn't say "bad hammer!" if someone hit you with one. Similarly, if, for example, someone is too lazy to do any actual research or vetting of AI materials that they post and it turns out to be nonsense, then you blame the person for posting nonsense - or not using a better program. So, the questions should be: Is AI developed to the point where it works well enough to be considered useful and reliable? Are people using AI appropriately? It could be that it's giving you poor results but you're either asking it poor questions, expecting it to do something it's not suited for, or you're using a poorly designed version of it ("AI" covers a broad variety of programs). Will it make us dumber? I don't think that's a possibility - it assumes agency where there is none. The thing that is possible is that we might make ourselves dumber by choosing to use AI instead of thinking. 

Your last sentence is perfect. 

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Ok think about it.

You wanted to learn about something. You had no one with 1st hand knowledge. No teacher or friend. Say you go to a library. Seek out a specialist. Fast forward you search Google or YouTube. You can read articles and watch videos of people working through the problems or information that you want. It's super convenient with the internet. These are still people working through the same problems you are working with. 

Now you take those things and run them through a computing process that takes the human thought jumbles them together with less than 50% accurate answers. 

Computers are not problem solvers. They never will be. If you've ever read about chaos theory Computers and ai can not predict the complexities of the real world. 

Our problem solving nature, human nature is what has made us above apes. 

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MPJC wrote:
AI can be good (or not) in the sense that it can be good (or not) at doing what it's supposed to do. If I'm looking...

AI can be good (or not) in the sense that it can be good (or not) at doing what it's supposed to do. If I'm looking for information and it provides me with relevant, correct, and useful information, then it's served its purpose well, otherwise not. It can't be morally good or bad any more than a hammer or a saw can be good or bad. They are instrumentally valuable to the extent that they fulfill their purpose. If it yields incorrect result, then it's flawed in the same way that a hammer would be flawed if it fell apart when you tried to hammer a nail. Or, if someone uses them to harm someone, it is the person that used it that is bad, not the tool they used. You wouldn't say "bad hammer!" if someone hit you with one. Similarly, if, for example, someone is too lazy to do any actual research or vetting of AI materials that they post and it turns out to be nonsense, then you blame the person for posting nonsense - or not using a better program. So, the questions should be: Is AI developed to the point where it works well enough to be considered useful and reliable? Are people using AI appropriately? It could be that it's giving you poor results but you're either asking it poor questions, expecting it to do something it's not suited for, or you're using a poorly designed version of it ("AI" covers a broad variety of programs). Will it make us dumber? I don't think that's a possibility - it assumes agency where there is none. The thing that is possible is that we might make ourselves dumber by choosing to use AI instead of thinking. 

TAUTOG wrote:
You are not wrong about ai being a tool but is the tool worth using? The amount of wrong answers ai comes up with because it has...

You are not wrong about ai being a tool but is the tool worth using? 

The amount of wrong answers ai comes up with because it has to come up with an answer is a failing grade. Will it get smarter and better? Yeah maybe. But it is a computing system. The more wrong answers it comes up with, without being corrected, the worse the system becomes. 

I don’t know that there’s an all encompassing right answer. It depends what you’re wanting it to do for you. Some tasks are suitable for AI, many aren’t. Sometimes distinguishing between these is tricky because you don’t know what you don’t know. 

AI can supply information, but that doesn’t necessarily yield knowledge. Information generally requires context and background knowledge to interpret. The intellectually lazy are not interested in doing the work necessary to understand what they are presented with, and AI won’t change that one way or the other - though it may make it easier to get away with laziness. 

Speaking of laziness, in a forum like this one, when someone just copies an AI summary into a reply, I’m not generally interested in reading it. On the other hand, an AI post can make a decent conversation starter if done right - the recent one about the physical demands of motocross was pretty effective for that. There were obvious mistakes in the information but it served its purpose as a conversation starter. 

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MPJC wrote:
AI can be good (or not) in the sense that it can be good (or not) at doing what it's supposed to do. If I'm looking...

AI can be good (or not) in the sense that it can be good (or not) at doing what it's supposed to do. If I'm looking for information and it provides me with relevant, correct, and useful information, then it's served its purpose well, otherwise not. It can't be morally good or bad any more than a hammer or a saw can be good or bad. They are instrumentally valuable to the extent that they fulfill their purpose. If it yields incorrect result, then it's flawed in the same way that a hammer would be flawed if it fell apart when you tried to hammer a nail. Or, if someone uses them to harm someone, it is the person that used it that is bad, not the tool they used. You wouldn't say "bad hammer!" if someone hit you with one. Similarly, if, for example, someone is too lazy to do any actual research or vetting of AI materials that they post and it turns out to be nonsense, then you blame the person for posting nonsense - or not using a better program. So, the questions should be: Is AI developed to the point where it works well enough to be considered useful and reliable? Are people using AI appropriately? It could be that it's giving you poor results but you're either asking it poor questions, expecting it to do something it's not suited for, or you're using a poorly designed version of it ("AI" covers a broad variety of programs). Will it make us dumber? I don't think that's a possibility - it assumes agency where there is none. The thing that is possible is that we might make ourselves dumber by choosing to use AI instead of thinking. 

TAUTOG wrote:
You are not wrong about ai being a tool but is the tool worth using? The amount of wrong answers ai comes up with because it has...

You are not wrong about ai being a tool but is the tool worth using? 

The amount of wrong answers ai comes up with because it has to come up with an answer is a failing grade. Will it get smarter and better? Yeah maybe. But it is a computing system. The more wrong answers it comes up with, without being corrected, the worse the system becomes. 

MPJC wrote:
I don’t know that there’s an all encompassing right answer. It depends what you’re wanting it to do for you. Some tasks are suitable for AI...

I don’t know that there’s an all encompassing right answer. It depends what you’re wanting it to do for you. Some tasks are suitable for AI, many aren’t. Sometimes distinguishing between these is tricky because you don’t know what you don’t know. 

AI can supply information, but that doesn’t necessarily yield knowledge. Information generally requires context and background knowledge to interpret. The intellectually lazy are not interested in doing the work necessary to understand what they are presented with, and AI won’t change that one way or the other - though it may make it easier to get away with laziness. 

Speaking of laziness, in a forum like this one, when someone just copies an AI summary into a reply, I’m not generally interested in reading it. On the other hand, an AI post can make a decent conversation starter if done right - the recent one about the physical demands of motocross was pretty effective for that. There were obvious mistakes in the information but it served its purpose as a conversation starter. 

The post you mentioned about motocross and physical demands is true and interesting but with major flaws. 

You are more eloquently at saying what I'm thinking. 

Like any kind of technology; it is what you make of it. Or how you use it. 

 

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