Tom Vialle

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Any word on his condition after first moto crash? Haven't heard a peep which seems odd. 

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Hurt his wrist, but nothing broken. Should line up this weekend. 

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I would of thought he’s just  a bit banged up , no news is normally good news , hopefully he catches a break soon and gets some confidence 

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Hopefully he can gain some momentum and confidence back, he is really much better than what he has been showing so far... The transition has been hard for sure.

I also wonder if he has the same engine as in the GPs, no trying to make a debate on that but from what I see (I may be blind too) the austrian bikes in 250 in the US look to have less power in a class where it is key. Maybe most of the budget is on the 450 program (which is quite my opinion based on the last decade ; only Osborne was really competitive in 250s... ok let us add Musquin the year he almost won the 250 nationals, but other than that, honestly the Yami and Honda or even the PC were looking a lil better. Quite the opposite compared to the GPs and I can't say why).

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Question wrote:
Hopefully he can gain some momentum and confidence back, he is really much better than what he has been showing so far... The transition has been...

Hopefully he can gain some momentum and confidence back, he is really much better than what he has been showing so far... The transition has been hard for sure.

I also wonder if he has the same engine as in the GPs, no trying to make a debate on that but from what I see (I may be blind too) the austrian bikes in 250 in the US look to have less power in a class where it is key. Maybe most of the budget is on the 450 program (which is quite my opinion based on the last decade ; only Osborne was really competitive in 250s... ok let us add Musquin the year he almost won the 250 nationals, but other than that, honestly the Yami and Honda or even the PC were looking a lil better. Quite the opposite compared to the GPs and I can't say why).

Is he really much better or is his previous competition really much weaker?

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Question wrote:
Hopefully he can gain some momentum and confidence back, he is really much better than what he has been showing so far... The transition has been...

Hopefully he can gain some momentum and confidence back, he is really much better than what he has been showing so far... The transition has been hard for sure.

I also wonder if he has the same engine as in the GPs, no trying to make a debate on that but from what I see (I may be blind too) the austrian bikes in 250 in the US look to have less power in a class where it is key. Maybe most of the budget is on the 450 program (which is quite my opinion based on the last decade ; only Osborne was really competitive in 250s... ok let us add Musquin the year he almost won the 250 nationals, but other than that, honestly the Yami and Honda or even the PC were looking a lil better. Quite the opposite compared to the GPs and I can't say why).

LungButter wrote:

Is he really much better or is his previous competition really much weaker?

Considering his previous competion was gerts and Renaux ( who beat Tomac at redbud ) if you watched that  , I’d say yes he’s got more in the tank 

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6/13/2023 1:44pm Edited Date/Time 6/13/2023 1:46pm
Question wrote:
Hopefully he can gain some momentum and confidence back, he is really much better than what he has been showing so far... The transition has been...

Hopefully he can gain some momentum and confidence back, he is really much better than what he has been showing so far... The transition has been hard for sure.

I also wonder if he has the same engine as in the GPs, no trying to make a debate on that but from what I see (I may be blind too) the austrian bikes in 250 in the US look to have less power in a class where it is key. Maybe most of the budget is on the 450 program (which is quite my opinion based on the last decade ; only Osborne was really competitive in 250s... ok let us add Musquin the year he almost won the 250 nationals, but other than that, honestly the Yami and Honda or even the PC were looking a lil better. Quite the opposite compared to the GPs and I can't say why).

LungButter wrote:

Is he really much better or is his previous competition really much weaker?

64smoker wrote:
Considering his previous competion was gerts and Renaux ( who beat Tomac at redbud ) if you watched that  , I’d say yes he’s got more...

Considering his previous competion was gerts and Renaux ( who beat Tomac at redbud ) if you watched that  , I’d say yes he’s got more in the tank 

And there is an age rule in his previous competition. So don't count Justin Cooper, R.J. Hampshire, Jordon Smith, Michael Mosiman, Jeremy Martin... .

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LungButter wrote:

Is he really much better or is his previous competition really much weaker?

64smoker wrote:
Considering his previous competion was gerts and Renaux ( who beat Tomac at redbud ) if you watched that  , I’d say yes he’s got more...

Considering his previous competion was gerts and Renaux ( who beat Tomac at redbud ) if you watched that  , I’d say yes he’s got more in the tank 

Rudicross wrote:

And there is an age rule in his previous competition. So don't count Justin Cooper, R.J. Hampshire, Jordon Smith, Michael Mosiman, Jeremy Martin... .

Haha!!! What? you can't be serious...his competition is who he lines up against..period

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For that matter what happened to Gilermo Farres? 

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BobbyMyers wrote:

For that matter what happened to Gilermo Farres? 

Broken arm

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6/13/2023 5:11pm Edited Date/Time 6/13/2023 5:18pm

Is there any footage of the crash? I just remember seeing him get up in those big ruts from the drone

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Question wrote:
Hopefully he can gain some momentum and confidence back, he is really much better than what he has been showing so far... The transition has been...

Hopefully he can gain some momentum and confidence back, he is really much better than what he has been showing so far... The transition has been hard for sure.

I also wonder if he has the same engine as in the GPs, no trying to make a debate on that but from what I see (I may be blind too) the austrian bikes in 250 in the US look to have less power in a class where it is key. Maybe most of the budget is on the 450 program (which is quite my opinion based on the last decade ; only Osborne was really competitive in 250s... ok let us add Musquin the year he almost won the 250 nationals, but other than that, honestly the Yami and Honda or even the PC were looking a lil better. Quite the opposite compared to the GPs and I can't say why).

250 programs in the US are much more competitive across the board. KTM is throwing updates at their engines quite a bit this year though.

In GPs, the only non-Austrian competitive 250 program is Kemea Yamaha...which is rumored to get handy-me down engines from Star.

In the US, Star is the top dog in terms of engine program and HRC has made huge strides to hop up to a likely second in that regard. Then you have a strong Kawasaki program with PC.

In GPs, Honda 250 programs are barely there and the F&H program doesn't get much investment from Kawasaki.

On top of that, the Yamaha and Kawasaki programs here in the US are huge, each supporting four to six riders at a time.

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BobbyMyers wrote:

For that matter what happened to Gilermo Farres? 

Guillem*

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250 programs in the US are much more competitive across the board. KTM is throwing updates at their engines quite a bit this year though. In...

250 programs in the US are much more competitive across the board. KTM is throwing updates at their engines quite a bit this year though.

In GPs, the only non-Austrian competitive 250 program is Kemea Yamaha...which is rumored to get handy-me down engines from Star.

In the US, Star is the top dog in terms of engine program and HRC has made huge strides to hop up to a likely second in that regard. Then you have a strong Kawasaki program with PC.

In GPs, Honda 250 programs are barely there and the F&H program doesn't get much investment from Kawasaki.

On top of that, the Yamaha and Kawasaki programs here in the US are huge, each supporting four to six riders at a time.

World championship

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Question wrote:
Hopefully he can gain some momentum and confidence back, he is really much better than what he has been showing so far... The transition has been...

Hopefully he can gain some momentum and confidence back, he is really much better than what he has been showing so far... The transition has been hard for sure.

I also wonder if he has the same engine as in the GPs, no trying to make a debate on that but from what I see (I may be blind too) the austrian bikes in 250 in the US look to have less power in a class where it is key. Maybe most of the budget is on the 450 program (which is quite my opinion based on the last decade ; only Osborne was really competitive in 250s... ok let us add Musquin the year he almost won the 250 nationals, but other than that, honestly the Yami and Honda or even the PC were looking a lil better. Quite the opposite compared to the GPs and I can't say why).

ML512 wrote:
250 programs in the US are much more competitive across the board. KTM is throwing updates at their engines quite a bit this year though. In...

250 programs in the US are much more competitive across the board. KTM is throwing updates at their engines quite a bit this year though.

In GPs, the only non-Austrian competitive 250 program is Kemea Yamaha...which is rumored to get handy-me down engines from Star.

In the US, Star is the top dog in terms of engine program and HRC has made huge strides to hop up to a likely second in that regard. Then you have a strong Kawasaki program with PC.

In GPs, Honda 250 programs are barely there and the F&H program doesn't get much investment from Kawasaki.

On top of that, the Yamaha and Kawasaki programs here in the US are huge, each supporting four to six riders at a time.

None of this is true.  Luongo's deal is the pinnacle of motorcycle racing and development. Including MotoGp, Toni Bou's racing class, and WSBK. NOT!!!

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None of this is true.  Luongo's deal is the pinnacle of motorcycle racing and development. Including MotoGp, Toni Bou's racing class, and WSBK. NOT!!!

MXGP is the pinnacle of motocross, mx2 is the last feeder class. 

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6/16/2023 2:21pm Edited Date/Time 6/16/2023 2:27pm
Question wrote:
Hopefully he can gain some momentum and confidence back, he is really much better than what he has been showing so far... The transition has been...

Hopefully he can gain some momentum and confidence back, he is really much better than what he has been showing so far... The transition has been hard for sure.

I also wonder if he has the same engine as in the GPs, no trying to make a debate on that but from what I see (I may be blind too) the austrian bikes in 250 in the US look to have less power in a class where it is key. Maybe most of the budget is on the 450 program (which is quite my opinion based on the last decade ; only Osborne was really competitive in 250s... ok let us add Musquin the year he almost won the 250 nationals, but other than that, honestly the Yami and Honda or even the PC were looking a lil better. Quite the opposite compared to the GPs and I can't say why).

THE USA based guys go WFO from the gate drop, like every lap is a qualifier lap.

The MX2 riders don't ride like that, their tracks have slower corners and are more technical.

 I saw the Teutschenthal track up close for the first time last weekend, It is very different from anything I've seen at home. Im sure it takes a bit of time to get used to riding at a different pace.

 

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MXGP is the pinnacle of motocross, mx2 is the last feeder class. 

That's just not true though, ESPECIALLY in the 250 class....for evidence look no further than the 2 Time World Champ who this thread is about that is barely a podium guy in the US, hell he's got his hands full with a 17 year old that was still on SuperMinis when Vialle won his first World Title Tongue

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MXGP is the pinnacle of motocross, mx2 is the last feeder class. 

LungButter wrote:
That's just not true though, ESPECIALLY in the 250 class....for evidence look no further than the 2 Time World Champ who this thread is about that...

That's just not true though, ESPECIALLY in the 250 class....for evidence look no further than the 2 Time World Champ who this thread is about that is barely a podium guy in the US, hell he's got his hands full with a 17 year old that was still on SuperMinis when Vialle won his first World Title Tongue

heard this all before with ferrandis , musquin , roczen , pourcel , when will you learn , it’s clear to see he’s not right yet ( not saying he will win when he is ) but I’ll bet he’s in the mix 

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My pick to win the chip isn’t looking so good right now 😢

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Hmm perhaps the next French team with DV and Vialle 🧐

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LungButter wrote:

Is he really much better or is his previous competition really much weaker?

Hi Point is the type of track I could see him getting a win on. It has always seemed to allow the Euro's to shine.

I am sure your referring to him being out performed by the Dangerboy. You must be close, real close to be that obsessed.

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LungButter wrote:

Is he really much better or is his previous competition really much weaker?

MxAddic wrote:
Hi Point is the type of track I could see him getting a win on. It has always seemed to allow the Euro's to shine. I...

Hi Point is the type of track I could see him getting a win on. It has always seemed to allow the Euro's to shine.

I am sure your referring to him being out performed by the Dangerboy. You must be close, real close to be that obsessed.

WTF did that comment have to do with Danger Boy?

Jfc 

Pot see kettle

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TAUTOG wrote:

WTF did that comment have to do with Danger Boy?

Jfc 

Pot see kettle

"That's just not true though, ESPECIALLY in the 250 class....for evidence look no further than the 2 Time World Champ who this thread is about that is barely a podium guy in the US, hell he's got his hands full with a 17 year old that was still on SuperMinis when Vialle won his first World Title Tongue"

 

I see reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

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6/16/2023 7:36pm Edited Date/Time 6/16/2023 7:36pm
LungButter wrote:

Is he really much better or is his previous competition really much weaker?

64smoker wrote:
Considering his previous competion was gerts and Renaux ( who beat Tomac at redbud ) if you watched that  , I’d say yes he’s got more...

Considering his previous competion was gerts and Renaux ( who beat Tomac at redbud ) if you watched that  , I’d say yes he’s got more in the tank 

Rudicross wrote:

And there is an age rule in his previous competition. So don't count Justin Cooper, R.J. Hampshire, Jordon Smith, Michael Mosiman, Jeremy Martin... .

i recall GL tipping him to win the 250 outdoor this season!

he was fairly confident....just goes to show the AMA 250 teams are at the pointy end globally!!

 

per DV's insights.............

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TAUTOG wrote:

WTF did that comment have to do with Danger Boy?

Jfc 

Pot see kettle

MxAddic wrote:
"That's just not true though, ESPECIALLY in the 250 class....for evidence look no further than the 2 Time World Champ who this thread is about that...

"That's just not true though, ESPECIALLY in the 250 class....for evidence look no further than the 2 Time World Champ who this thread is about that is barely a podium guy in the US, hell he's got his hands full with a 17 year old that was still on SuperMinis when Vialle won his first World Title Tongue"

 

I see reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

That was not the post you quoted 

 

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That was not the post you quoted 

 

No, I quoted the posters other post so you could better understand his motivations. The post I quoted has undertones of gloating about Danger Deegan (new official name I just gave him) being better than Vialle. The poster also constantly gargles a 17 YO's sac. So much so that the speech impediment it causes transfers over to his keyboard.

Just because you didn't see it don't mean its not happening. Instead you lash out at me. If you can't understand that I got nothing else for you.

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His second motos in the first two rounds showed that Vialle is up to the challenge. The bike point can’t be understated. Of the factory teams is it the worst bike out there? Of course I’m not counting any of the Suzuki riders. 

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250 programs in the US are much more competitive across the board. KTM is throwing updates at their engines quite a bit this year though. In...

250 programs in the US are much more competitive across the board. KTM is throwing updates at their engines quite a bit this year though.

In GPs, the only non-Austrian competitive 250 program is Kemea Yamaha...which is rumored to get handy-me down engines from Star.

In the US, Star is the top dog in terms of engine program and HRC has made huge strides to hop up to a likely second in that regard. Then you have a strong Kawasaki program with PC.

In GPs, Honda 250 programs are barely there and the F&H program doesn't get much investment from Kawasaki.

On top of that, the Yamaha and Kawasaki programs here in the US are huge, each supporting four to six riders at a time.

Thanks for the info. I was wondering who was doing the Yamaha engines in Europe.   For sure reason I thought it was factory Yamaha. 
 

Cosworth still involved with any teams ?  I remember they had some pretty innovative stuff a few years ago.  Three speed transmissions , super fast bikes.  

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It’s always fun to debate the ama vs go stuff … I think the biggest difference would be the qualification system. Gp guys get probably triple the time, with a qualification race too.  
 

As far as the ktm ,  I don’t think it’s holding him back.  Yea , the star bikes are good.  They don’t look head and shoulders above.  

6/17/2023 6:05am

Dude crashed and injured himself last weekend.  Prior to that, he went 7.3 and 7,3 the first two rounds.for 2 4th's overall.  He said in one of the Vlogs that he improves in the second moto because he doesn't really know the tracks here yet and that he doesn't have a good feel for how the tracks shape up in terms of where the fast lines are throughout the race.  He said he's adjusting to it and learning the tracks (specifically how the develop throughout the races).  He said he expects to get better and better as he goes along.  I'd bet he for sure finishes top 5 on the season and is a title contender next year.  JMHO

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