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12/27/2022 1:07pm Edited Date/Time 12/27/2022 1:08pm

It's sort of funny watching the new troll/previously banned/6+ user name guys argue with each other. 

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They dont race for "our enjoyment" or "Our entertainment" Even if no one is watching racer's race and it has nothing to do with entertaining us...

They dont race for "our enjoyment" or "Our entertainment" Even if no one is watching racer's race and it has nothing to do with entertaining us. You have obviously never raced because you have no clue why we race. 

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Are you serious dude? The whole thing (especially supercross) is a massive circus/show. I don't think any of the riders really enjoy getting cleaned out, having...

Are you serious dude? The whole thing (especially supercross) is a massive circus/show. I don't think any of the riders really enjoy getting cleaned out, having their crashes end up on a crash reel to be played over and over. Yes there is a financial incentive for them to do the best, but it goes without saying that these supercross riders but up with a lot of humiliation and spectacle for the purposes of entertaining fans. They even spend hours signing autographs and doing media, so yes they race for YOUR enjoyment and you can show a little appreciation for the risks they take to entertain you, at least every once and a while

Dude, I appreciate the riders as much or more than anyone, but they are NOT showing up for our enjoyment or entertainment.  They are doing it...

Dude, I appreciate the riders as much or more than anyone, but they are NOT showing up for our enjoyment or entertainment.  They are doing it for the money or personal satisfaction or both.  In addition, they love being in the spotlight and being able to say they are pro athletes.  It is an adrenaline and ego thing for them 1000%.  Not going to say specific names, but there are numerous "privateers" that have a bunch of support and make somewhere in the 75 -150K range.  If they weren't racing, they have basically no other qualifications/skills/experience and they love it.  Many are also counting on industry jobs when they are done so they aren't digging ditches or construction or fireman etc.  Have you listened to any podcasts with them?  Listen to Jim Holley or Christian Craig or a number or others who saw the "real" world and twisted it harder to avoid that life.

With all that said, none of what they are doing is wrong and I wish I could have achieved that level, but please stop acting like they are showing up so you can enjoy watching them.

I spent all these years assuming KDub did all those opening ceremony transfers for the fans. Turns out it's all a lie and he did them for the money and his own enjoyment. Not mine. 

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12/27/2022 1:14pm
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I spent all these years assuming KDub did all those opening ceremony transfers for the fans. Turns out it's all a lie and he did them...

I spent all these years assuming KDub did all those opening ceremony transfers for the fans. Turns out it's all a lie and he did them for the money and his own enjoyment. Not mine. 

Are you kidding me with that comparison?  Windham was probably making 2 million at that time and the transfers were for the fans, his ego, and because he was just a badass and super cool pro. 

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12/27/2022 1:24pm
i've asked a few times and haven't gotten a clear answer: What are his "politics" that turn people off? I looked at his twitter and didn't...

i've asked a few times and haven't gotten a clear answer: What are his "politics" that turn people off? I looked at his twitter and didn't see anything but riding stuff. what am I missing?

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I don’t believe it’s the politics as such, more the sanctimonious  delivery , 

Sanctimonious delivery of WHAT? What does the man say that has people calling him a person with polarizing politics?? Genuinely curious cause "politics" has been mentioned about 50x but nobody has provided a single example of WHAT his radical political opinions are

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I am not sure what career you chose, but if you don't perform in my job or really anyone I know, you lose that job.  Same...

I am not sure what career you chose, but if you don't perform in my job or really anyone I know, you lose that job.  Same same.  Botch a surgery as a doc?  Lose cases as a lawyer?  Screw up at a job site?  Miss that sale over and over?  Late to work?  Mess up the sandwich?  All of those consistently will get you gone or at a minimum cost you future growth.  Tell me again how that is different and also how they are forced to line up.

I already explained it. All those jobs you listed don’t have potential life ending or life altering physical consequences. I understand what you are saying, but if you’re not willing to acknowledge what I’m saying, then you’re just playing devils advocate to argue. 

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Sanctimonious delivery of WHAT? What does the man say that has people calling him a person with polarizing politics?? Genuinely curious cause "politics" has been mentioned...

Sanctimonious delivery of WHAT? What does the man say that has people calling him a person with polarizing politics?? Genuinely curious cause "politics" has been mentioned about 50x but nobody has provided a single example of WHAT his radical political opinions are

Austin's political beliefs are considered "radical" by some of the old california blue dogs on here. What is so radical about Austin's beliefs? Well he supports the second amendment (Gasp). He also very vaguely at one point insinuated support for the Trump/MAGA agenda. I know, very radical belief system to support American manufacturing through protective tariffs and to incentivize small businesses with less government regulations and slightly lower tax rates. 
 

Apparently the old reds on here are disguising themselves as new blues. They hate Austin because he supports free market Americana values and generally upholds traditional family values. 

So, without making a single direct political statement Austin managed to polarize himself by simply being the man that he is. I think he did the right thing, because he managed to align himself with true Christians and hard working americans while also separating himself from all of the trash who want to increase taxes on the successful people and de incentivize working.
 

I think Austin has done a great job with his political messaging, but he has had to meet the typical opposition that comes from wealth redistribution crowd. Whenever I see the hate from this crowd directed towards Austin, it simply reminds me that he is a man of faith with who supports capitalism. I will always be a fan.

 

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12/27/2022 2:37pm

This thread should be moved to Non-moto since it now has nothing to do with Austin’s skills on a dirt bike. 

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Sanctimonious delivery of WHAT? What does the man say that has people calling him a person with polarizing politics?? Genuinely curious cause "politics" has been mentioned...

Sanctimonious delivery of WHAT? What does the man say that has people calling him a person with polarizing politics?? Genuinely curious cause "politics" has been mentioned about 50x but nobody has provided a single example of WHAT his radical political opinions are

Gollum wrote:
Austin's political beliefs are considered "radical" by some of the old california blue dogs on here. What is so radical about Austin's beliefs? Well he supports...

Austin's political beliefs are considered "radical" by some of the old california blue dogs on here. What is so radical about Austin's beliefs? Well he supports the second amendment (Gasp). He also very vaguely at one point insinuated support for the Trump/MAGA agenda. I know, very radical belief system to support American manufacturing through protective tariffs and to incentivize small businesses with less government regulations and slightly lower tax rates. 
 

Apparently the old reds on here are disguising themselves as new blues. They hate Austin because he supports free market Americana values and generally upholds traditional family values. 

So, without making a single direct political statement Austin managed to polarize himself by simply being the man that he is. I think he did the right thing, because he managed to align himself with true Christians and hard working americans while also separating himself from all of the trash who want to increase taxes on the successful people and de incentivize working.
 

I think Austin has done a great job with his political messaging, but he has had to meet the typical opposition that comes from wealth redistribution crowd. Whenever I see the hate from this crowd directed towards Austin, it simply reminds me that he is a man of faith with who supports capitalism. I will always be a fan.

 

Fuck off with your politics 

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12/27/2022 2:50pm Edited Date/Time 12/27/2022 3:14pm
CPR wrote:

Fuck off with your politics 

Hey buddy you and other's are the ones dragging Austin Forkner through the mud and trashing his name for his "radical political agenda." Well I was merely outlining what generally that "radical agenda" is. I'm sorry you don't agree with a pro-freedom and limited government message, but to drag someone's name through the mud over their "politics" without being fair and explaining what those "politics" are is highly disingenuous. 
 

I'm sure if Austin supported disarming your family and forcing you to pay an extra 10% in tax, everything would be all fine and good and you would be just thrilled with his political messaging !

By the way, you are posting from Australia and using curse words at me after explaining someone's pro-freedom and limited government belief system. You as an Australian have already surrendered whatever freedom you once had to the state! I hope you enjoy the restricted movement and highly burdensome covid restrictions and generally terrible government policies and procedures enforced by your government. I'm sure that soon enough americans will be disarmed, taxed, immunized, and regulated like cattle similar to how your government treats you. But in the meantime, I am proud of free thinking and strong willed Americans like Austin Forkner who are willing to stand up and speak for the freedoms that my family cherishes !

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I am not sure what career you chose, but if you don't perform in my job or really anyone I know, you lose that job.  Same...

I am not sure what career you chose, but if you don't perform in my job or really anyone I know, you lose that job.  Same same.  Botch a surgery as a doc?  Lose cases as a lawyer?  Screw up at a job site?  Miss that sale over and over?  Late to work?  Mess up the sandwich?  All of those consistently will get you gone or at a minimum cost you future growth.  Tell me again how that is different and also how they are forced to line up.

I already explained it. All those jobs you listed don’t have potential life ending or life altering physical consequences. I understand what you are saying, but...

I already explained it. All those jobs you listed don’t have potential life ending or life altering physical consequences. I understand what you are saying, but if you’re not willing to acknowledge what I’m saying, then you’re just playing devils advocate to argue. 

I do agree with the danger of racing at any level and pros speed add significantly to that risk.  I also believe they are the best overall athletes in the world regardless of sport.  Nothing comes close in my opinion.  The part I don't agree with is "they are out there doing it for the fans and to entertain us".  I don't think that is a significant or really any part of their motivation to race.  

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CPR wrote:

Fuck off with your politics 

Gollum wrote:
Hey buddy you and other's are the ones dragging Austin Forkner through the mud and trashing his name for his "radical political agenda." Well I was...

Hey buddy you and other's are the ones dragging Austin Forkner through the mud and trashing his name for his "radical political agenda." Well I was merely outlining what generally that "radical agenda" is. I'm sorry you don't agree with a pro-freedom and limited government message, but to drag someone's name through the mud over their "politics" without being fair and explaining what those "politics" are is highly disingenuous. 
 

I'm sure if Austin supported disarming your family and forcing you to pay an extra 10% in tax, everything would be all fine and good and you would be just thrilled with his political messaging !

By the way, you are posting from Australia and using curse words at me after explaining someone's pro-freedom and limited government belief system. You as an Australian have already surrendered whatever freedom you once had to the state! I hope you enjoy the restricted movement and highly burdensome covid restrictions and generally terrible government policies and procedures enforced by your government. I'm sure that soon enough americans will be disarmed, taxed, immunized, and regulated like cattle similar to how your government treats you. But in the meantime, I am proud of free thinking and strong willed Americans like Austin Forkner who are willing to stand up and speak for the freedoms that my family cherishes !

 My apologies I didn’t realise you were mentally unstable. I hope you get all the help and support you need.

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12/27/2022 3:26pm
Sanctimonious delivery of WHAT? What does the man say that has people calling him a person with polarizing politics?? Genuinely curious cause "politics" has been mentioned...

Sanctimonious delivery of WHAT? What does the man say that has people calling him a person with polarizing politics?? Genuinely curious cause "politics" has been mentioned about 50x but nobody has provided a single example of WHAT his radical political opinions are

Gollum wrote:
Austin's political beliefs are considered "radical" by some of the old california blue dogs on here. What is so radical about Austin's beliefs? Well he supports...

Austin's political beliefs are considered "radical" by some of the old california blue dogs on here. What is so radical about Austin's beliefs? Well he supports the second amendment (Gasp). He also very vaguely at one point insinuated support for the Trump/MAGA agenda. I know, very radical belief system to support American manufacturing through protective tariffs and to incentivize small businesses with less government regulations and slightly lower tax rates. 
 

Apparently the old reds on here are disguising themselves as new blues. They hate Austin because he supports free market Americana values and generally upholds traditional family values. 

So, without making a single direct political statement Austin managed to polarize himself by simply being the man that he is. I think he did the right thing, because he managed to align himself with true Christians and hard working americans while also separating himself from all of the trash who want to increase taxes on the successful people and de incentivize working.
 

I think Austin has done a great job with his political messaging, but he has had to meet the typical opposition that comes from wealth redistribution crowd. Whenever I see the hate from this crowd directed towards Austin, it simply reminds me that he is a man of faith with who supports capitalism. I will always be a fan.

 

CPR wrote:

Fuck off with your politics 

That was a valuable and mature response.  I am sure you are proud of yourself.

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I do agree with the danger of racing at any level and pros speed add significantly to that risk.  I also believe they are the best...

I do agree with the danger of racing at any level and pros speed add significantly to that risk.  I also believe they are the best overall athletes in the world regardless of sport.  Nothing comes close in my opinion.  The part I don't agree with is "they are out there doing it for the fans and to entertain us".  I don't think that is a significant or really any part of their motivation to race.  

Is a surgeon performing an operation because he wants his $200k salary or because he enjoys helping people live a normal life? I agree the lines become blurred. But I think in general, a most or all of the guys out there on the SX gate are doing it for the fans. Even if its not true, and some are totally in it for the money: the end result has the same effect, these riders are taking risks for YOUR entertainment. And I think that was the original point: you should appreciate these riders for the entertainment they bring you and keep that in mind before you badmouth them and their families. At the end of the day, all of their time, effort, and risk has the result of being for your and my entertainment. We should appreciate them for what they do for us, instead of constantly badmouthing and nitpicking for any small comment or action they might make

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CPR wrote:

 My apologies I didn’t realise you were mentally unstable. I hope you get all the help and support you need.

Yes I must be mentally unstable, because I still have some small semblance of freedom and personal liberty in my country, and I'm willing to speak up for those that continue to advocate for my freedoms. And you and your countrymen are "sane" because you surrendered your individual liberties to the will of the state

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CPR wrote:

 My apologies I didn’t realise you were mentally unstable. I hope you get all the help and support you need.

What exactly about his response made him seem mentally unstable?

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Soo… Forkner, he’s a very talented rider that tends to ride over his head and has led to many injuries. I’m curious if the time away from racing has stunted his racecraft development. I think it’s safe to say, that we’ve seen riders like Jett, Sexton,Shimoda etc. minimize the injuries and develop good racecraft at relatively young ages. Anyway Forkner will be fast but will he be patient enough to let the race come to him? A1 is almost here and I can’t wait to find out. 

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I miss the 70s.

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And seatbelts were an option! End of an era.

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I do agree with the danger of racing at any level and pros speed add significantly to that risk.  I also believe they are the best...

I do agree with the danger of racing at any level and pros speed add significantly to that risk.  I also believe they are the best overall athletes in the world regardless of sport.  Nothing comes close in my opinion.  The part I don't agree with is "they are out there doing it for the fans and to entertain us".  I don't think that is a significant or really any part of their motivation to race.  

Gollum wrote:
Is a surgeon performing an operation because he wants his $200k salary or because he enjoys helping people live a normal life? I agree the lines...

Is a surgeon performing an operation because he wants his $200k salary or because he enjoys helping people live a normal life? I agree the lines become blurred. But I think in general, a most or all of the guys out there on the SX gate are doing it for the fans. Even if its not true, and some are totally in it for the money: the end result has the same effect, these riders are taking risks for YOUR entertainment. And I think that was the original point: you should appreciate these riders for the entertainment they bring you and keep that in mind before you badmouth them and their families. At the end of the day, all of their time, effort, and risk has the result of being for your and my entertainment. We should appreciate them for what they do for us, instead of constantly badmouthing and nitpicking for any small comment or action they might make

"But I think in general, a most or all of the guys out there on the SX gate are doing it for the fans"

I would say no. Most do it because they love racing motorcycles and competing to try and be the best. If no one showed up to watch the races, the riders would still line up to race. 

They're not taking risks for our entertainment. They're taking risks to push themselves to try and be the best at what they do. 

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I do agree with the danger of racing at any level and pros speed add significantly to that risk.  I also believe they are the best...

I do agree with the danger of racing at any level and pros speed add significantly to that risk.  I also believe they are the best overall athletes in the world regardless of sport.  Nothing comes close in my opinion.  The part I don't agree with is "they are out there doing it for the fans and to entertain us".  I don't think that is a significant or really any part of their motivation to race.  

Gollum wrote:
Is a surgeon performing an operation because he wants his $200k salary or because he enjoys helping people live a normal life? I agree the lines...

Is a surgeon performing an operation because he wants his $200k salary or because he enjoys helping people live a normal life? I agree the lines become blurred. But I think in general, a most or all of the guys out there on the SX gate are doing it for the fans. Even if its not true, and some are totally in it for the money: the end result has the same effect, these riders are taking risks for YOUR entertainment. And I think that was the original point: you should appreciate these riders for the entertainment they bring you and keep that in mind before you badmouth them and their families. At the end of the day, all of their time, effort, and risk has the result of being for your and my entertainment. We should appreciate them for what they do for us, instead of constantly badmouthing and nitpicking for any small comment or action they might make

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"But I think in general, a most or all of the guys out there on the SX gate are doing it for the fans" I would...

"But I think in general, a most or all of the guys out there on the SX gate are doing it for the fans"

I would say no. Most do it because they love racing motorcycles and competing to try and be the best. If no one showed up to watch the races, the riders would still line up to race. 

They're not taking risks for our entertainment. They're taking risks to push themselves to try and be the best at what they do. 

Exactly.  And I have not badmouthed any rider or their family for what thats worth.  I also never said they did it just for the money.  It's the job they chose for a number of reasons that I am sure is somewhat different for every rider.  The only reason I got into this was the "for the fans" garbage.  That is definitely not the case and understandably so.  

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This thread…

 

 

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Soo… Forkner, he’s a very talented rider that tends to ride over his head and has led to many injuries. I’m curious if the time away...

Soo… Forkner, he’s a very talented rider that tends to ride over his head and has led to many injuries. I’m curious if the time away from racing has stunted his racecraft development. I think it’s safe to say, that we’ve seen riders like Jett, Sexton,Shimoda etc. minimize the injuries and develop good racecraft at relatively young ages. Anyway Forkner will be fast but will he be patient enough to let the race come to him? A1 is almost here and I can’t wait to find out. 

If you remember last year, he was claiming that he had turned over a new leaf and was going to be a more methodical rider and if all he had in him that night was a third, he would take a third. Next thing you know Jett is bouncing off tuff blocks and taking him out, season over. I think A1 will see AF cutting it loose. 

I like that he picked Jett's coast, don't think for a minute that Honda announcing Jett early wasn't a tactical move. They will probably qualify P1 and P2, so they won't line up together until the main, but I fully expect Forkner to be a little on the edge and wanting to dominate Jett. Can he if both are at their best? I think Jett should beat him but the reality is we have no idea, I can't wait to see it and I hope they go at it hammer and tong all season. 

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CPR wrote:

 My apologies I didn’t realise you were mentally unstable. I hope you get all the help and support you need.

LungButter wrote:

What exactly about his response made him seem mentally unstable?

Well last I looked, politics was strictly a no go in Moto-Related, and for good reason, then Mr Smeagol responds with more politics, covid (another no go) and a ‘freedom’ conspiracy theory nut job rant about my/ our situation in Australia, something he obviously knows nothing about.

May be a few hints in their for a reasonable person.

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People like to spread hate or negativity.  It’s just a small percentage that do it…..those that do are good at it.  How anyone could think Forkner...

People like to spread hate or negativity.  It’s just a small percentage that do it…..those that do are good at it.  How anyone could think Forkner is anything but awesome (considering the fact that we are fans of the sport) is beyond me.  We are talking moto and the guys wife and her relations becomes a topic…..it’s too much man.   

I’ll never understand why grown men care so much about the personal life of someone they don’t know and have never met. Way too much talk...

I’ll never understand why grown men care so much about the personal life of someone they don’t know and have never met. Way too much talk about girlfriends in the moto world. So many drama queens in the form of grown men who apparently race motorcycles (or rode once)?  Sometimes I wonder if I’m the only one who’s only here for the bikes and racing. 

Exactly.   More moto!

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If you remember last year, he was claiming that he had turned over a new leaf and was going to be a more methodical rider and...

If you remember last year, he was claiming that he had turned over a new leaf and was going to be a more methodical rider and if all he had in him that night was a third, he would take a third. Next thing you know Jett is bouncing off tuff blocks and taking him out, season over. I think A1 will see AF cutting it loose. 

I like that he picked Jett's coast, don't think for a minute that Honda announcing Jett early wasn't a tactical move. They will probably qualify P1 and P2, so they won't line up together until the main, but I fully expect Forkner to be a little on the edge and wanting to dominate Jett. Can he if both are at their best? I think Jett should beat him but the reality is we have no idea, I can't wait to see it and I hope they go at it hammer and tong all season. 

I’m hoping that Forkner comes in like he usually does and puts huge pressure on Jett.  It will make for an awesome season.   Forkner is always ready to battle out there……

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12/27/2022 5:22pm

Some of you guys really let that troll account get you riled up. 

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12/27/2022 5:24pm

I think Jett should and probably will get the better of Forkner the large majority of weekends but man I really hope they trade wins and take a title battle to the end. Seems like the last few seasons both east and west 250SX have started red hot and ended pretty damn boring. 

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12/27/2022 5:27pm Edited Date/Time 12/27/2022 5:32pm

Some of you guys really let that troll account get you riled up. 

Why be a troll?   It’s just in the way and a waste of our time.  Trolls gonna troll.   They do stir up certain reactions and conversations that can be entertaining.

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🤣 yep nut job 

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Stick a fork in this thread

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12/27/2022 6:15pm Edited Date/Time 12/27/2022 6:17pm
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Well last I looked, politics was strictly a no go in Moto-Related, and for good reason, then Mr Smeagol responds with more politics, covid (another no...

Well last I looked, politics was strictly a no go in Moto-Related, and for good reason, then Mr Smeagol responds with more politics, covid (another no go) and a ‘freedom’ conspiracy theory nut job rant about my/ our situation in Australia, something he obviously knows nothing about.

May be a few hints in their for a reasonable person.

I'm against censorship, but sometimes self censorship is the best idea.   lol

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