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If you guys think its so easy to test, do a test, please, then post up your findings. It's like you guys telling other people to not wear a seatbelt while they drive. It is their (including my) peace of mind that we have while wearing one. FLmxer couldn't of said it better. Everyone has their different opinions of them.
You are correct, you can't test for every situation, but you can test for what the product is claiming to do and hope that that covers the majority of the situations that arise.
And I have no problem with what an individual decides to do for themselves and I am not telling anyone to not buy one, wear one, or sleep with one.
I just want independent testing done.
Why spend the money when the sheeple drop the big bucks on hearsay and conjecture?
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If neck braces are being loaded enough to be injuring the areas they are in contact with in the chest area or back area or collarbone, they are doing the job of protecting the neck. In almost any situation where a neck brace causes injury, the injury would have been to the neck if no brace was being worn. That seems like common sense to me. Other common sense seems to dictate that if you fear a neck brace injuring you elsewhere, put on a chest protector with back protection to further protect from injury. Then the force on the neckbrace won't be on bare body parts but rather be spread out over high impact plastic. While I don't believe a neck brace will protect from all potential neck injuries, I don't need tests to show me that they protect in many instances. In fact, I've never paid attention to any seatbelt tests either, just makes sense to wear them in my opinion. Funny that there are plenty of people out there that worry about injuries caused by seatbelts and also worry about being trapped by them in a fire. There are definitely instances where people would have lived if they had been thrown clear, but the odds are very much against it.
exactly the same applies for helmets
would you wear an un-tested/certified one?
some form of standardized test and cert could be formulated just like helmets have,
it would carry some weight but of course could not cover every scenario.
it would then be up to the reasonably well informed consumer not just the speculative one.
ps i,ve got a crap load of plastic bracelets that improve your balance you, want a few? btw (thats not a dig at you)
but to show, obviously, that there are plenty of people/companies selling stuff that doesnt do what it they say it does.
Googles do have an ASTM eye protection requirement. Can't have exploding lenses sending shards of plastic into your eyes.
Chest protectors are "Roost protectors" and are not required. No company calls them "chest protectors" for liability reasons.
and helmets must meet at minimum DOT standards
Neck injuries do.
So why aren't they certified?
Where i live i see many, on a daily basis, mom with a kid in arm, dad and 2 kids all on a bike riding down fast busy crazy roads with no protection of any kind, so the point of "pop for the cheapest" is pointless to me.
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I did address that testing is not a 100% guarantee.
A month ago i was looking into the various methods used.
Dude why am i having to make such obvious points?
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Another thing to think about. Leatt Brace is being endorsed by 'Wings for life', a large spinal cord research foundation. Yes, I know Wings for life gets supported by KTM, who also distribute the brace (thanks captain obvious), but still, I simply don't believe that KTM or BMW (and a freaking spinal cord foundation) would support a device that they haven't tested, because it is a HUGE risk to market something like a neck brace.
Also, a while back I read most of the testimonials on Leatt's website (the site has changed now and I can't find them anymore). It was mostly doctors who voiced their opinion, and what was surprising is that not everyone of them was spewing propaganda. Some said that they felt that they needed to see more real world results to form a conclusion, but that they obviously encouraged the evolution, which is ironic because that's the exact opposite of what you guys are saying (you want data).
And then there was one of them who was left unconvinced after his initial tests with the Leatt because he noticed that there was more pressure being put on the head and helmet on the event of a crash with a Leatt. This makes sence, because essentially your head locks up on the Leatt and it's going to slam into the ground. He was concerned with that, because he had no experience with off-road helmets and their ability to withstand this added pressure. But then he ran his tests again with a high end helmet, and then he was convinced. He said the crash bucket dealt very well with the added pressure and forces to the neck were dramatically reduced. He explained it as something like "give and take". He felt that the risk for a concussion would be slightly higher when wearing the Leatt, but that this was nothing compared to the neck trauma it prevented. (if someone can still find the testimonials from the old site, please feel free to post them)
i thought that was pretty interesting to read.
Troy Lee as well? Troy Lee Chest Protector
Its got to start somewhere!
No ones saying Leatt are selling snake oil, my reference was that people DO sell snake oil!
But with such a serious issue, some form of standard should be set.
I'd like to know.
The first time I saw them I thought they look like they would cause more injuries that would not have happened
if the rider were not wearing them.
Yep just my opinion, but thats all we have, yours, mine everyones atm,
no standards no testing no stickers nada
just opinions and thats not good enough.......imo
For a long time no one called them that.
I stand corrected.
But the point still stands, they're not required
"During the certification process, because no standard exists in the EU against which to evaluate the performance of a neck brace, the Notifying Body was very cautious. It meant that we had to convince them that our design philosophy, manufacturing specification, quality processes and the extensive testing was appropriate and sufficient to back up the claims we make of our brace. Only then was a CE certificate awarded."
so its not like they had to achieve a certain standard. they are basically setting the standard. doesnt make sense to me.
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