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The thing is that you r right, you cant buy 52mm forks and some other stuf i said it myself in my comment, but you can buy oem 48 or 50mm forks from ktm with the same stuff in them.
I said that we should play with the thought about what the cost would be of we were to build something on that level. I know some teams ride billet footpegs but i myself have seen plenty of tig welded pegs on european factory bikes and i know for a fact that the pegs on the 24mx honda team that you can buy from 24mx are tig welded ones as well and both you and me know that tig welded titanium pegs welded by a serious welder wont break any easier than billet ones, you would probably break the mounts of first.
Into a cnc machine and push start. When it’s done you unload it. Anyone can do that, it requires zero experience. There is nothing I can’t make with any machine tool. I have been programming for 25 years. I have made parts that are in outspace, in the human body, I make parts for the military, in nuclear reactors, along with F1 cars and Factory dirt bikes. I’m am sorry we don’t have the same background. Sorry to give you a hard time, there is nothing that is correct with anything your saying.. the WP 52mm are really completely different than the 48mm. Just because they look similar there not and they can’t be run at the same time as the 48mm one. There is a huge different between making 50 sets of forks than making 500 set or a 1000 sets. Cost a lot more. Lastly, welding titanium is actually one of the easier materials to weld it flows really really nicely, but it need to be done in a argon atmosphere. Which is really no big deal. I never said there were not teams that use welded pegs, there are lots because of the costs are allot cheaper But all Factory Honda bikes have the billet titanium footpegs that I am talking about that cost so much. So Macfly you need to quit talking like you know something about manufacturing, you don’t!!!!!
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You’re not even close.... FYI
1. TITANIUM HARDWARE
189 bolts
axels
$2,000
** MORE LIKE $5000+
(Axles and swing arm pivot alone are $1000+)
2. SPECIAL RACING PARTS
exhaust pipe
triple clamps
brake levers
clutch lever
hubs
$2,000
** MORE LIKE $5000+
(Factory clamps and hubs alone are easily $3000)
6. MAGNESIUM DISC BRAKES
$400
** MORE LIKE $1500+
I would however like to play devils advocate on the cost. I know it’s not the same thing as factory Honda parts, but the Nihilo billet TI set seems legit and they only run $800/set. How can they do it so cheap? Mass runs with minimal set up? The math seems fuzzy to me with all the costs involved.
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And i know perfectly well how it is to weld titanium and to say easy in the same sentence as argon atmosphere sounds a bit odd. However with all of this being said lets go back to what we talked about - the cost of ti footpegs and you know as well as i do that the pegs themself wouldnt cost anything near 5k to manufacture. Sure if you take in the work of designing, programming and operationcost the price would be high but after that no way near.
The difference when you buy from a middleman like an mx shop is that everyone in the line wants to make money as we all know and they make at least 4-6x the money on most of the products you buy from them, otherwise they would not have money enough to buy in new stuff, pay employees etc etc and you yourself have the option to go to a bolt manufacturer or a store who supplies workers and industrial companies and buy it much cheaper. Sure u wont have the official already assembled bolt kit but if you know what bolts you need its the exact same thing. The only thing i would have to make myself would be axles but to be fair you wont get them in factory bolt kits you can buy from a store either as far as i know.
Please,get me a COMPLETE ti-bolt kit for my 2001 cr 125, I already bought almost a complete kit,but when you hook me up with a 400 $ complete kit,I'll buy one more, you know what im down for 2 sets.
Get your head our of the ass.
Oh and btw, you can buy all axles, I have got them all,even that statement of yours are wrong.
Oh and Edit 2: i have bought my stuff bolt by bolt from a manufacturer. Not a boltkit.
I'll never forget reading an article in a European magazine that tested Stefan Everts HRC Honda 250 in 1997 and they said the motor alone was worth about 250k euros (well,10 million Belgian Francs). And that is over 20 years ago.
Jävligt nyfiken på vilken tillverkare du köpt ifrån iom att du säger att du köpt från tillverkare?. Tråkigt nog så är ju olika företag rätt duktiga på att ta olika pris för samma vara..
Dessutom så jag aldrig att du inte kan köpa axlar, jag skrev att det enda jag inte kan köpa från grossisten är axlar ^^.
For you other guys i took this as an example for him after i told him that he should have looked a bit more. Keep in mind that this is not the place i went to, this is just an example. 122 pieces of mixed m5-m3 ti screws in different lengths 999 sek - about 90 dollars. Sure most are small so i checked m10 ti bolts too and even found them cheap online (usually more expensive then going to a specialised store here) 110mm long m10 bolts were around 9 bucks a pop if i just bought 1..
And when you expect something at "cost" of manufacturing - you need to factor in a HUGE host of variables
It's 100 dollar bill every day, 7 days a week to have my shop. That's not much - I don't have much. But that's just the mortgage payment,, taxes on the space, general upkeep, electricity, internet, water, etc.
Then when we are working - you have your employees - busy or not they cost money!
Now add in the cost average price of testing equipment, tooling, machining equipment, etc...
Probably another 50 a day - never even wanted to know it's so depressing.
So if I were to do something "free" - and not take payment for myself - it's still going to be 100's per day.
And in a factory race effort - these workers are both: valuable BEYOND their paycheck - or they wouldnt be hired
and are
still really pricey - they are really talented!
So how they broke down that price on your swingarm - should make perfect sense to anyone asking why they cost so much.
Fast forward to today - where it's all 3d modelled on software that probably costs honda 100's of thousands a year per seat for the whole company (stupid pricey at high level)
Then the engineer who oversees the design of it - the cad guy who models out the engineer's wishes
The manufacturering side - all the machines, employees, space of shop, taxes required to be payed, electricity, etc.
They probably have some standard of durability - even on works parts for safety - so some form of testing - outside of the software testing - that a really expensive employee is knowledgeable about...
A simple clamp that has gone through this process - could be 2 months of honda's time - while they foot the bill for all their facility and staff - only to have it be a POS and a whole new clamp designed!
Now - just think - the PRODUCTION department is JUST AS COOL - and smart.
They just have different requirements.
You can’t be serious.. you posted a link for pan head bolts that do not belong on a dirt bike. Feel free to post a link for bolts that actually fit...
I’ve built many bikes with Full Ti kits. (Have 4 currently) I’ve never bought a “kit” and have always pieced them together. I’ve sourced the bolts from several different vendors and think I’ve figured out the best prices. But hey, sounds like you got it all figured out. lol
Pit Row
Then you need to inspect the part to make sure your tooling is cutting everything to spec. So if anyone wants to see some pictures of any of it, I could put some up.
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