More MXA on smokers

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Edited Date/Time 1/22/2012 8:58pm
From MXA -
http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/ASK-THE-MXPERTS-WHY-WASTE-T…

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ASK THE MXPERTS: WHY WASTE TIME WITH TWO-STROKE MOTOCROSS BIKES WHEN NO ONE MAKES THEM ANYMORE?
Why does MXA harp on two-strokes when Yamaha is the only Japanese manufacturer to make them?



Dear MXA,

MXA is the only magazine that even wastes time and space to test two-strokes anymore. Isn’t it obvious that the motorcycle manufacturers don’t make them anymore. Yamaha is the only Japanese two-stroke left. Give it up!


MXA is not telling you what to buy and we aren’t anti-four-stroke. We just want to see affordable motorcycles offered to the public (not to mention bikes that can be fixed in a garage by its owner for about one-fourth the cost of a four-stroke rebuild). If you don't want a two-stroke, or have some schizoid fear of them, don't buy one...but the motorcycle industry is rapidly pricing itself out of the budgets of the people who made this sport popular in the first place. And the costs aren't just the initial investment in the machine, but also its upkeep, labor costs and parts bill. We test every bike made and you don't have to be a high school graduate to see that the number of four-stroke tests and articles in MXA far outweigh the number of two-stroke stories. The interplay between the two types of engines seems to set people's nerves on end...and they want to defend their $9000 purchase by trying to stop people from buying the other type.



The 2011 Suzuki RM250 sells for 2000 British Pounds less than the RM-Z450 in England. That is $3146 less.


Additionally, Yamaha is not the only manufacturer to still make two-strokes. Suzuki still manufactures the RM125 and RM250—but U.S. Suzuki does not import them. We have included pages from Suzuki of Great Britain showing that they sell the bikes. You can go to www.suzuki-gb.co.uk to see for yourself.

Also, Italian manufacturer TM and British-brand Maico have new American importers. And, you conveniently forgot KTM, who sells more two-strokes than any other manufacturer and might well be on its way to being the number one selling brand for offroad motorcycles in the near future.



At 4288 British Pounds, the 2011 RM250 is a bargain over the 6331 pound RM-Z250. The RM125 costs $3313 less than the 250 four-stroke in Great Britain."


Let's not ape out like usual, just thought I'd throw this up for the Zook info. I also thought you could get KX two-strokes still outside the US?
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2/3/2011 11:47am
What's interesting about the pricing, is that the YZ125 and YZ250 are almost the same prices as the counterpart 250F and 450F. That, while not updating. On the other hand, KTM and looks like Suzuki from that article, sell them quite a bit cheaper.
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2/3/2011 12:09pm Edited Date/Time 2/3/2011 12:09pm
just to clarify

2011 RM250 in USD is $7286.29
2011 RM125 is USD is $6953.84

still not CHEAP by any means
Barrett57
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2/3/2011 12:19pm
£4200 for a brand new bike is good,
for comparison my 2011 ktm150 cost about £5100, the 250sxf is £1000 more.
that £1000 is a big help through out the year,helping travelling,entry fees,tyres,oil ect.
but it is no way near as good as a 150ktm.

The Shop

2/3/2011 12:36pm
jtiger12 wrote:
just to clarify

2011 RM250 in USD is $7286.29
2011 RM125 is USD is $6953.84

still not CHEAP by any means
Well, I was meaning dollar for dollar, it is discounted for their 2 strokes. Can you figure out exactly how much in USD difference between the RMZ250 and 450 now? Just curious what that is.
2/3/2011 1:38pm
It's funny to hear MXA rail on the high cost of racing, then you turn the page and they have a review of an $1100 Hinson clutch,
a bike stand that costs more than $100-- and bike tests of exotic unobtanium bikes built just for MXA by their buddies in SoCal hop up shops (that none of us have a prayer of ever riding).
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2/3/2011 1:55pm
It's funny to hear MXA rail on the high cost of racing, then you turn the page and they have a review of an $1100 Hinson...
It's funny to hear MXA rail on the high cost of racing, then you turn the page and they have a review of an $1100 Hinson clutch,
a bike stand that costs more than $100-- and bike tests of exotic unobtanium bikes built just for MXA by their buddies in SoCal hop up shops (that none of us have a prayer of ever riding).
But that $1100.00 clutch is needed for the CRF450 isn't it? I've seen several people here comment on how shitty the stock clutch is.
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2/3/2011 1:57pm Edited Date/Time 2/3/2011 2:00pm
Here's a more complete price list

2011 RM250 in USD is $7259.77 - 4493 Pounds
2011 RM125 is USD is $6928.53 - 4288 Pounds
2011 RMZ250 in USD is $10, 229.60 - 6331 Pounds
2011 RMZ450 is USD is $10, 491.30 - 6493 Pounds

Hmmm. I wonder which one I would chose, or is cheaper?Wink
2/3/2011 2:00pm Edited Date/Time 2/3/2011 2:26pm
jtiger12 wrote:
just to clarify

2011 RM250 in USD is $7286.29
2011 RM125 is USD is $6953.84

still not CHEAP by any means
Thanks Burn, ok, well, i see.
Wow, look at that. That is a huge difference. Just think of what the YZ should be selling for if we compare apples to apples and the differences in prices. In USD, the difference between a RMZ450 and RM250 is $3,231.53. Wow! Just think if the YZ250 sold for 5,564.77 and YZ125 $4,500.

YZ450F $8,150
YZ250F $7,150
YZ250 $7,150
YZ125 $ 6,250
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2/3/2011 2:16pm
The best part of being a smoker rider is that it irritates the hell out of the farter faithful.
2/3/2011 2:37pm
It's funny to hear MXA rail on the high cost of racing, then you turn the page and they have a review of an $1100 Hinson...
It's funny to hear MXA rail on the high cost of racing, then you turn the page and they have a review of an $1100 Hinson clutch,
a bike stand that costs more than $100-- and bike tests of exotic unobtanium bikes built just for MXA by their buddies in SoCal hop up shops (that none of us have a prayer of ever riding).
newmann wrote:
But that $1100.00 clutch is needed for the CRF450 isn't it? I've seen several people here comment on how shitty the stock clutch is.
yeah, I guess so. Might as well throw on a $1000 exhaust system too.
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2/3/2011 3:18pm
For all the nay-sayers...

There are "duties", currency conversion issues and taxes in those British prices that don't really let you see the point that MXA is making (And, they're RIGHT about these things...Damn. Did I jus' say that?).

For Yamaha, SHAME on You!

For KTM, Thank you! Can we have some fully lit 125's, 150's, 200's, 250's & 300's...PLEASE? aka EXC-GS's

As for Suzuki: Reach down, grab a pair, and IMPORT THAT SHIZZLE!

Honda? Look, I ain't hatin'...but...yeah, I am: That Uni-Cam (In general) and those single-ring pistons in the X's jus' suck!

Kawi? You lost me when ya killed the KDX and the 500. Oh, and, U can keep all that Monster crap.

For Moto-East-Mag: Get over it. Some folks DO and WILL buy the trick bits. Some won't..."But, Stan, why are you so mad?" (Stolen from Eminem's best album). Oh, and, last time I checked: Don Emler's sellin' COMPLETE Systems for...$399.


Sincerely,

Not so Angry in California.
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2/3/2011 3:45pm
Motocross Action. On the right side of history once again.
2/3/2011 3:51pm
It's funny to hear MXA rail on the high cost of racing, then you turn the page and they have a review of an $1100 Hinson...
It's funny to hear MXA rail on the high cost of racing, then you turn the page and they have a review of an $1100 Hinson clutch,
a bike stand that costs more than $100-- and bike tests of exotic unobtanium bikes built just for MXA by their buddies in SoCal hop up shops (that none of us have a prayer of ever riding).
Don't they test all the bikes in stock form? What mainline magazine doesn't do articles on bikes with hopup parts installed and have ads for high dollar add ons? Seems like they are just trying to be informative to me. Hate him or not Jody has lived and bled motocross for a long time now and his intentions are genuine.
2/3/2011 3:59pm
Rich mans sport now...sad fact........The other side of that...........You can buy a used 250 2 stroke, line up at any track and whip the shit out of a bunch of slow ass rich racers with a "non - competitive bike"....now thats fun and it just may be a new MX sport in itself.........throw in some old racing gear and the fun increases......add a shitty pick up truck and you are "the man".
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2/3/2011 4:01pm Edited Date/Time 2/3/2011 4:02pm
Follow the money. The four-stroke revolution evolved at a time when cars turned into SUV's and houses turned into mansions, and people lived way beyond their means. Look at GM, look at the housing market, and look at the current state of motocross. All because of greed. Who would have blamed them though. In the mid-90's things looked great, so who wouldn't have wanted to suck more money out of the participants of this sport at the time? [not saying mx wouldn't be in this mess if it wasn't for four-strokes, but it definitely isn't helping our cause, with the higher severe injury rates, more cost, louder bikes, tracks getting shut down, etc.]
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2/3/2011 4:12pm
They are plenty of leftover bikes 2 and 4 stroke if you really want to ride, the bikes are available, and if you can t afford a new or leftover buy a used one! I can t afford a mansion but i m not going complain or blame it on someone else!, or even worse start a thread about it! Ride your bike SIMPLE!
2/3/2011 10:08pm
Wadded_Up wrote:
Rich mans sport now...sad fact........The other side of that...........You can buy a used 250 2 stroke, line up at any track and whip the shit out...
Rich mans sport now...sad fact........The other side of that...........You can buy a used 250 2 stroke, line up at any track and whip the shit out of a bunch of slow ass rich racers with a "non - competitive bike"....now thats fun and it just may be a new MX sport in itself.........throw in some old racing gear and the fun increases......add a shitty pick up truck and you are "the man".
This man speaks the truth! I think you are dead on about the definition of cool in amateur moto. Show up as a sleeper (older 2 smoke,pick up truck and some 5+ year old gear) and wipe the shit out of team spoil.

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