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12/10/2014 8:09am
Skippie wrote:
Nope. Rules are rules, everyone knew about them and he didn't follow them. If he can't ride it's his own fault.
IWreckALot wrote:
I just don't get this logic. . . It's like serving the death penalty for a speeding infraction. . . Just saying that the punishment needs...
I just don't get this logic. . . It's like serving the death penalty for a speeding infraction. . . Just saying that the punishment needs to fit the crime. . . I'm not a hard core bubba fan, I like him as much as any other rider. I just want to see a more level headed approach. . . Hell, a decision one way or another at this point would be nice. A fine and allowing him to race would be the icing on the cake for me.

I know I know, beat to DEATH. . .
agn5009 wrote:
I don't think I'd equate being able to racing a supercross series to being put to death.... but I agree James should be eligible to race...
I don't think I'd equate being able to racing a supercross series to being put to death.... but I agree James should be eligible to race the SX series. If they want to punish him then don't pay him race bonuses for a few rounds and donate it to charity or something. They could do so many different things as a form of punishment.
Agreed, and my analogy is a little over the top.

Again, this has been beat to death, but the facts that I understand are, he had a prescription but no TUE. A TUE would have been granted had he applied for it but it wasn't. And it sounds like there is a TUE now. The paper trail doesn't seem to be in question even though I'll admit that I wouldn't be surprised if the paper trail has been forged. But it doesn't seem to be able to be proven otherwise. I'm not arguing that adderall is or is not performance enhancing, but it's not on the list of banned substances. It's just a controlled substance. So my logic with a fine is that, he didn't seem to maliciously try to take something for a competitive advantage as far as the paper trail is concerned, so a fine for not filing the paperwork seems like it would fit the bill.

And I agree Peelout, that a fine doesn't impact a millionaire, but it wouldn't be the first time a fine was handed down to a millionaire for similar infractions. And it's not like James is a habitual offender.

Lastly, my argument isn't only for Stewart, it would be for any other rider regardless of status.

I'll exit this conversation now because I've already gotten long winded.
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12/10/2014 8:12am
Just in recent years James has...

Impersonated a police officer
Got caught with a banned substance.
Hired a nurse who says she gives him IVs at the track( Asterisk Medical Center will give you one for free after the race)
Blamed crash on track crossing.


Yet people will ignore all his shady antics... and go ballistic over a laser pointer.... I think it might be racism.
12/10/2014 8:24am
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/12/09/73356/s1200_s1200_Screenshot_6.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/12/09/73357/s1200_IMG_1674.jpg[/img]




I find it funny that the media finds a picture of the whitest black guy on this planet and makes him look like a thug on stage spittin out some lyrics and ties "failed drug test" to the article. This isn't little wayne, my god.

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12/10/2014 8:38am
I find it funny that the media finds a picture of the whitest black guy on this planet and makes him look like a thug on...
I find it funny that the media finds a picture of the whitest black guy on this planet and makes him look like a thug on stage spittin out some lyrics and ties "failed drug test" to the article. This isn't little wayne, my god.
i agree

even better is the fact that the gold chain is screen printed on the shirt and the gold in his ears are ear-plugs.
12/10/2014 9:36am Edited Date/Time 12/10/2014 9:40am
skup11 wrote:
Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but more kick a Clydesdale. Less than a month and we'll be on the gates with or without...
Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but more kick a Clydesdale. Less than a month and we'll be on the gates with or without one of the greatest riders to sit in the saddle. If Stew isn't lined up, I hope to see this throughout the stands...anyone?...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Let-Bubba-Ride-Supercross-T-Shirt-100-Cotton-Bl…?



What is the point? WADA does not care about the "star" of a piss ant sport run by a circus promoter. No one who matters will even see your shirts...or care if they did. It is true that the FIM will make the ultimate decision on the penalty, but if they stray too far from WADA's recommended penalty, they will end up in arbitration. WADA's recommended penalty will probably be harsh. Every single time they have busted an athlete for stimulants, it has resulted in a 12 month or longer ban.

My guess is no Stew at A1....

I hope I am wrong, because it will be a LOT less interesting with no Stew...
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12/10/2014 9:57am
skup11 wrote:
Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but more kick a Clydesdale. Less than a month and we'll be on the gates with or without...
Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but more kick a Clydesdale. Less than a month and we'll be on the gates with or without one of the greatest riders to sit in the saddle. If Stew isn't lined up, I hope to see this throughout the stands...anyone?...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Let-Bubba-Ride-Supercross-T-Shirt-100-Cotton-Bl…?



do any of you idiots even like supercross and motocross?

I think most of you fags around here just like a good soap opera, and throw in the motorcycles so you can pretend your not all fuckin sissy lala's.

If James not racing makes you less interested in this sport then GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!....because you aren't really a fan, your a fuckin homo with a man crush.
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Oh boy...Laughing Laughing Laughing
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12/10/2014 10:49am
IWreckALot wrote:
I just don't get this logic. . . It's like serving the death penalty for a speeding infraction. . . Just saying that the punishment needs...
I just don't get this logic. . . It's like serving the death penalty for a speeding infraction. . . Just saying that the punishment needs to fit the crime. . . I'm not a hard core bubba fan, I like him as much as any other rider. I just want to see a more level headed approach. . . Hell, a decision one way or another at this point would be nice. A fine and allowing him to race would be the icing on the cake for me.

I know I know, beat to DEATH. . .
But if you knew, because it had been made quite clear to you, that speeding would result in the death penalty, would you speed?
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12/10/2014 11:07am
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But if you knew, because it had been made quite clear to you, that speeding would result in the death penalty, would you speed?
I'm not trying to take any accountability off of James. He should have to pay some sort of penalty for not following protocol. My only point is to make the punishment fit the crime. I'm in the group of guys that think this is a paperwork issue only. Not a malicious cheating attempt which is what the doping organization is designed to prevent.

To answer your question directly, I would not be speeding if I knew the penalty was so steep. But I also expect the rules to be reasonable.

Anyways, my opinion is posted and it's just that, an opinion.
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12/10/2014 11:08am
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So it's James' fault that his hearing has been held but the commission is sitting on their decision for whatever reason? Wow.
Not James fault for how long it's taking for the process (which I agree is absurdly long). But if James (or his paid staff) simply did...
Not James fault for how long it's taking for the process (which I agree is absurdly long). But if James (or his paid staff) simply did what needed to be done in the first place, nobody would be waiting for the outcome of anything. Seems to me that James is the one who landed himself in the situation...and now has to wait for it to play out regardless of how long it may take. Personal accountability is dead these days...

Shane
That's the point I'm making. Yes the time it has taken for a decision to be handed out is crazy. But either way, Adderal is a banned substance according to WADA or whatever the other agency is. James has literally about 50 people who's only job is to make sure he can race. There is no excuse for not making sure the necessary paperwork is in order, prescription or not. Do I think the punishment is a little over the top, sure, but he as well as the other 40 guys lining up to race that night knew the rules.
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12/10/2014 11:13am
Robgvx wrote:
But if you knew, because it had been made quite clear to you, that speeding would result in the death penalty, would you speed?
IWreckALot wrote:
I'm not trying to take any accountability off of James. He should have to pay some sort of penalty for not following protocol. My only point...
I'm not trying to take any accountability off of James. He should have to pay some sort of penalty for not following protocol. My only point is to make the punishment fit the crime. I'm in the group of guys that think this is a paperwork issue only. Not a malicious cheating attempt which is what the doping organization is designed to prevent.

To answer your question directly, I would not be speeding if I knew the penalty was so steep. But I also expect the rules to be reasonable.

Anyways, my opinion is posted and it's just that, an opinion.
i guess the point should be that James has people in his corner that SHOULD know the penalty for using a banned substance without a TUE is going to be steep. all anyone needs to do is do some research on similar case penalties to know that he's fucked if he is caught.

i'm of the same opinion, i don't think he was blatantly cheating, but he broke the rules regardless of intent.

this horse isn't very much fun to beat though... i'm off it hah
12/10/2014 11:39am Edited Date/Time 12/10/2014 11:39am
roost wrote:
Just in recent years James has... Impersonated a police officer Got caught with a banned substance. Hired a nurse who says she gives him IVs at...
Just in recent years James has...

Impersonated a police officer
Got caught with a banned substance.
Hired a nurse who says she gives him IVs at the track( Asterisk Medical Center will give you one for free after the race)
Blamed crash on track crossing.


Yet people will ignore all his shady antics... and go ballistic over a laser pointer.... I think it might be racism.
You are an IDIOT!!!

SERIOUSLY THOUGH!!!

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12/10/2014 11:44am
IDGAF about SX anyway..as long as he's back for outdoors....I dig the shirt though.
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12/10/2014 11:47am
Skippie wrote:
Nope. Rules are rules, everyone knew about them and he didn't follow them. If he can't ride it's his own fault.
Yeah rules are rules but how unprofessional this has been has made what couldve been handled within the series, take 8 months with no verdict. We couldve been over and done with the BS. But here we are still hearing "rules are rules." Its unfair to the people involved. But its the AMA. They bent over for RC when he was using fuel that was not allowed. Theyre a professional bunch arent they?
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12/10/2014 11:49am
Actually speaking about that RC fuel issue, wouldnt JS have secured the title if they didnt give those 25 pts back?....Hmm. I think Mike Tyson could do a better job at putting together a puzzle than the AMA could solving their own problems.
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12/10/2014 11:50am
Robgvx wrote:
But if you knew, because it had been made quite clear to you, that speeding would result in the death penalty, would you speed?
IWreckALot wrote:
I'm not trying to take any accountability off of James. He should have to pay some sort of penalty for not following protocol. My only point...
I'm not trying to take any accountability off of James. He should have to pay some sort of penalty for not following protocol. My only point is to make the punishment fit the crime. I'm in the group of guys that think this is a paperwork issue only. Not a malicious cheating attempt which is what the doping organization is designed to prevent.

To answer your question directly, I would not be speeding if I knew the penalty was so steep. But I also expect the rules to be reasonable.

Anyways, my opinion is posted and it's just that, an opinion.
I agree. Although I don't know where to sit with regard to malicious cheating. While I'd like to think it was an innocent paperwork mistake, having a nurse at the race who allegedly was there to give him IVs - and this was after he was caught for Amphetamines - somewhat undermines that argument.



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12/10/2014 12:07pm
Robgvx wrote:
But if you knew, because it had been made quite clear to you, that speeding would result in the death penalty, would you speed?
IWreckALot wrote:
I'm not trying to take any accountability off of James. He should have to pay some sort of penalty for not following protocol. My only point...
I'm not trying to take any accountability off of James. He should have to pay some sort of penalty for not following protocol. My only point is to make the punishment fit the crime. I'm in the group of guys that think this is a paperwork issue only. Not a malicious cheating attempt which is what the doping organization is designed to prevent.

To answer your question directly, I would not be speeding if I knew the penalty was so steep. But I also expect the rules to be reasonable.

Anyways, my opinion is posted and it's just that, an opinion.
peelout wrote:
i guess the point should be that James has people in his corner that SHOULD know the penalty for using a banned substance without a TUE...
i guess the point should be that James has people in his corner that SHOULD know the penalty for using a banned substance without a TUE is going to be steep. all anyone needs to do is do some research on similar case penalties to know that he's fucked if he is caught.

i'm of the same opinion, i don't think he was blatantly cheating, but he broke the rules regardless of intent.

this horse isn't very much fun to beat though... i'm off it hah
Yep. I've said my peace too.

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skup11 wrote:
Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but more kick a Clydesdale. Less than a month and we'll be on the gates with or without...
Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but more kick a Clydesdale. Less than a month and we'll be on the gates with or without one of the greatest riders to sit in the saddle. If Stew isn't lined up, I hope to see this throughout the stands...anyone?...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Let-Bubba-Ride-Supercross-T-Shirt-100-Cotton-Bl…?



Katoomey wrote:
do any of you idiots even like supercross and motocross? I think most of you fags around here just like a good soap opera, and throw...
do any of you idiots even like supercross and motocross?

I think most of you fags around here just like a good soap opera, and throw in the motorcycles so you can pretend your not all fuckin sissy lala's.

If James not racing makes you less interested in this sport then GET THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!....because you aren't really a fan, your a fuckin homo with a man crush.
And here I thought only idiots used the word fag.
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12/10/2014 12:09pm
Skippie wrote:
Nope. Rules are rules, everyone knew about them and he didn't follow them. If he can't ride it's his own fault.
Yeah rules are rules but how unprofessional this has been has made what couldve been handled within the series, take 8 months with no verdict. We...
Yeah rules are rules but how unprofessional this has been has made what couldve been handled within the series, take 8 months with no verdict. We couldve been over and done with the BS. But here we are still hearing "rules are rules." Its unfair to the people involved. But its the AMA. They bent over for RC when he was using fuel that was not allowed. Theyre a professional bunch arent they?
Not to argue with your logic, but the AMA controlled the verdict in fuel gate. An outside agency seems to be controlling this one. . . Not an apples to apples comparison.
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12/10/2014 12:14pm
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Not to argue with your logic, but the AMA controlled the verdict in fuel gate. An outside agency seems to be controlling this one. ....
Not to argue with your logic, but the AMA controlled the verdict in fuel gate. An outside agency seems to be controlling this one. . . Not an apples to apples comparison.
Yeah i agree but the fact of the matter is why does the AMA need an outside sanctioning body at all?...
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12/10/2014 12:16pm Edited Date/Time 12/10/2014 12:17pm
Yeah i agree but the fact of the matter is why does the AMA need an outside sanctioning body at all?...
It's the FIM handling this one not the AMA. And this whole deal could have been avoided had they took all the necessary steps before the season started. If he can't race it will be a bummer but he's not getting sympathy from me. I'm still stoked for A1.
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12/10/2014 12:19pm
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It's the FIM handling this one not the AMA. And this whole deal could have been avoided had they took all the necessary steps before the...
It's the FIM handling this one not the AMA. And this whole deal could have been avoided had they took all the necessary steps before the season started. If he can't race it will be a bummer but he's not getting sympathy from me. I'm still stoked for A1.
I know im just saying it couldve been avoided and he deserves a penalty, but it couldve been over and done with if it wouldve been handled correctly. Its been 8 months. The fines and penalties couldve been dealt out withing the two series ran this year.
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I know im just saying it couldve been avoided and he deserves a penalty, but it couldve been over and done with if it wouldve been...
I know im just saying it couldve been avoided and he deserves a penalty, but it couldve been over and done with if it wouldve been handled correctly. Its been 8 months. The fines and penalties couldve been dealt out withing the two series ran this year.
Even if it was figured out during the nationals the penalty wouldn't effect him until supercross.
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12/10/2014 12:36pm Edited Date/Time 12/10/2014 12:36pm
There are 2 things that dont make sense. 1. why is this taking so long? a decision should have been reached months ago. and 2. He has been granted a TUE now...which takes me back to the first question, if he is granted a TUE why dont they just give him a slap on the wrist and a fine? them granting him the TUE obviously shows they understand he has a legit reason to be taking adderall. Now this doesnt discard him not having the TUE for last season but obviously it was a paperwork mistake so alittle punishment is necessary...Either way this will be a great season, but would be a shame to not see bubba out there.
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vfanell32 wrote:
There are 2 things that dont make sense. 1. why is this taking so long? a decision should have been reached months ago. and 2. He...
There are 2 things that dont make sense. 1. why is this taking so long? a decision should have been reached months ago. and 2. He has been granted a TUE now...which takes me back to the first question, if he is granted a TUE why dont they just give him a slap on the wrist and a fine? them granting him the TUE obviously shows they understand he has a legit reason to be taking adderall. Now this doesnt discard him not having the TUE for last season but obviously it was a paperwork mistake so alittle punishment is necessary...Either way this will be a great season, but would be a shame to not see bubba out there.
I got a bigger ?

Why are these fools putting their riders in this situation to begin with?
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12/10/2014 2:02pm Edited Date/Time 12/10/2014 2:03pm
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/12/09/73356/s1200_s1200_Screenshot_6.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/12/09/73357/s1200_IMG_1674.jpg[/img]




Love that so much. Perception and reality. Oh, and I'm in. Let Bubba ride!
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/12/09/73356/s1200_s1200_Screenshot_6.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/12/09/73357/s1200_IMG_1674.jpg[/img]




I find it funny that the media finds a picture of the whitest black guy on this planet and makes him look like a thug on...
I find it funny that the media finds a picture of the whitest black guy on this planet and makes him look like a thug on stage spittin out some lyrics and ties "failed drug test" to the article. This isn't little wayne, my god.
What makes James the whitest black guy on this planet? How is a black guy supposed to act?
12/10/2014 2:07pm
Unfortunately Feld are stuck between a rock and a hard place here.

On one hand they want the star of the show JS7 to be there racing.

On the other hand they need to do whatever it takes to make this a legitimate racing series with objective rules and not give in to protests from RC4 or advertising from Monster etc etc.

If they were to drop Wada and let James race, it would unfortunately show what a sideshow SX is, and prove money rules over objective racing rules.
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12/10/2014 4:01pm
Ordered myself an XL. Not a JS super fan, but I'll throw it on the floor next to my "railin ruts and nailin sluts" tank. I'm happy to pay $20 to help me recall this moment in supercross history.

Not sure why you guys are still arguing about this shit. Stewart fans want him to race and non Stewart fans don't. Somewhere in the middle you may find a few sane people who stray either way, but aren't still arguing about it on vital. Silly

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