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He said he was trying to make this happen last year and still nothing.
Lappers shouldn't be able to make passes when they are getting lapped though.
Lapped traffic is always going to be a poblem, just deal with it. Hell, his guy won and he complains.
Does he really think anything will change if the make a rule about not passing while being shown the blue flag? I don't think so.
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I have been lapped by all the top guys on the practice tracks at one time or another. Not one time have I ever heard one of them thank me on the podium. If it wasn't for us slow lappers at practice days, these guys wouldn't know how to pass a lapper. If they can get by my outta control ass, getting by other professionals really doesn't seem like a problem to me.
Some of you have never raced a motorcycle and some of you are great motorcycle riders, but the only example I can use it when your driving on the freeway and your maybe driving a little faster than the flow of traffic and another driver pulls into your lane and then drives side by side with another car. The guy who's your there, but he doesn't give a crap because he's more interested in passing the other guy.
Just trying to help the sport.
I see the people on MotoTalk are ripping me apart, that's awesome. Read some of the stuff they say, it's like they didn't even read the Article. All i'm really asking to change is that the lapped riders don't pass while under the Blue flag.
And Yes, I think things will change if a rider knows that he will not be passed if he slowed down for the Blue flag. Actually he would be comfortable holding his line and letting the leaders by if he knew the guy right behind him wasn't going to pin it right by him as soon as he slowed down. "NO PASSING UNDER THE BLUE FLAG"!!!
You know I can't ask James to slow down, but it would make thing easier. But that would mean I would need to ask the rest of the field to slow down too. Dang it, I don't think any of them will listen to me.
I agree lappers have been around since racing around a circle started, but that doesn't mean it needs to continue to be a problem. We are older and smarter and we can come up with idea's that will bring us out of the stone age and in to the computer age. Open our minds and lets make changes that help our sport. This is a huge problem that our sport has had, everyone thinks that since that's the why it's been, then that's the way it needs to stay. This is 2009, Wow isn't that crazy! We can figure things out that can help our sport and change is not bad.
whether that helps or hurts me, I'm with
him here the others 100%.
And he's correct in saying all he said.
Look bashing the AMA doesn't help anyone,
yet it really is a "slow train".
"Nascar" seems to wipe their nose as soon
as it's running, yet the AMA will have the
"snott" all over themselves. Sorry, but
that's just how it seems to be regardless
of who's driving the bus.
Maybe more flags are needed. Maybe some
kind of "passing/lapping" lane made on each
side where possible. It could be 1 line, as it
gets that way at times anyway. But to do nothing,
is what it is, & yeah it's frustrating.Shoot,I
was even up for something there recently.
It required a "full time " effort to do the job
correctly & to be established as 100% serious,
yet they weren't on the same page. To be
professional, the commitment to be such has to
be in place, otherwise it's a joke, & yet
for yrs. the comments aren't at me.
"Change is good, ideas too! without trying
how does 1 improve? How? Certainly not
by being idle"........
They say they're about change & improving,
(what little they have left)lets see it.
Dave O.
These guys are all professionals and know there surroundings well. Seems there shouldn't be a problem with knowing or hearing Bubba come up from behind you, the guy is pinned everywhere!
Pit Row
It almost needs to be handled privately....hehe.
I see your looking out for your guy, thats your job, and you are doing something right with it. Looking at it from the other side, do racers just quit racing when they get the blue flag?? Is that the idea?? Make it easy for your guy to get by. You have two guys, say in 10th racing for posistion, the leader comes by and they are supposed to just quit racing till he goes by? Come on, thats's not racing.
It's cool you post on the message boards, knowing your most likely going to take a beating. Just seems you never post here unless you have a problem, thats why it comes off as crying. Maybe if we heard from you a lil more often, it wouldn't seem that way.
You can always be counted on to say what you think.
I'm sure you'll be punished accordingly...lol.
I don't know that there will be a lot of aggreement with you but the point is a valid one.
You don't have to stop racing but it is unfair for a lapped rider to try and use the Blue flag as an advantage.
I think RonRon made a similiar point in the thread about the Yellow flags.
One rider will be taking heed of the situation and another rider will ignore the caution to make a pass.
No, I wasn't saying the lapped rider should stop racing, just don't pass while under the Blue flag. Once a rider gets the Blue flag, this could only be for 10 seconds or so and then he can go right back to racing. Just don't pass while under the Blue flag is all I'm asking, simple.
Yes, I know I'm going to take a beating. I'm hoping you guys will be mature and just speak to me and not slam me for no reason or just because I work with a certain rider.
And no I don't come on here when I have a problem, but I do pop up when I feel I need to explain something that someone has taken something I've said way out of text or to protect myself. So it might look like I start trouble, but it's only because I'm reading what people are saying and I need to chime in. If everything is going smooth and people understand what I had said, I just lay low.
I paragraph 8, Larry outlines his proposal for what the rules should be.
Here are my questions.
Assuming that "under the authority of the blue flag" begins when it's waved to a slower rider.... When does it end? Is there an "OK, you can race now" flag?
How does the slower rider know how many faster riders are about to pass him? Or does this not matter once the lead rider has passed?
What if there were multiple riders coming in a freight train? What if they were all coming but were .5 seconds apart? 1 second apart? 5 seconds apart? Who determines how much space between faster riders is enough to resume racing?
Once shown the blue flag, is the race essentially over for that rider since there are likely more of the faster riders coming?
What if the rider about to be lapped is James , because he fell and after 1 full minute of kicking his bike he just moving again and not yet up to the speed his going to reach while on his tear to salvage his race? What if it was Chad, RV, or anyone else?
The blue flag system is not perfect. It's more a "the leaders are coming, do the best that you can to not get in the way" flag rather than a "roll out the red carpet" flag.
Larry, I like that you are focusing on how to deal with the few instances where lappers do get in the way instead of more rules. But, your position on the issue is not reasonable. You said that once the lead rider has passed the rider or group of riders they can resume racing. You asked "isn't that logical?" I don't know. Is the rule written that the slower riders need only stay out of the way of the LEAD rider as you keep referencing?
I don't know the letter of the rule.
If the rule does speak only to making way for the LEAD rider, ask yourself how you would feel about the rule if your rider was always the second one coming up on the slower rider or packs of riders. "Hey now that Chad or X has passed us we can get back to dicing and mixing it up and get in the way of James or whoever is coming through next."
Ian
On Edit: some of my questions were already answered in your most recent posts
Thanks for your in put.
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