Honda -> TM

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Edited Date/Time 6/24/2017 8:52pm
Wait, what? "Duals is the shit nowadays"
-that Honda technician


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drt410 6/23/2017 5:51pm
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Idk people have been winning championships on single sided exhausts for......ever. Seems like extra weight for minimal advantage. I wonder if the increased hp/tq makes up for the weight addition.
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Mit12 6/23/2017 7:01pm
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Honda has duel tail pipes and silencers not head pipes, way different. Duel head pipes has one pipe for each exhaust valve / port. Duel tail pipes and silencers just adds more silencing and weight balance.
jorgechavez 6/23/2017 7:17pm
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Mit12 wrote:
Honda has duel tail pipes and silencers not head pipes, way different. Duel head pipes has one pipe for each exhaust valve / port. Duel tail...
Honda has duel tail pipes and silencers not head pipes, way different. Duel head pipes has one pipe for each exhaust valve / port. Duel tail pipes and silencers just adds more silencing and weight balance.
The new Honda 250 has dual headers..

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Mit12 wrote:
Honda has duel tail pipes and silencers not head pipes, way different. Duel head pipes has one pipe for each exhaust valve / port. Duel tail...
Honda has duel tail pipes and silencers not head pipes, way different. Duel head pipes has one pipe for each exhaust valve / port. Duel tail pipes and silencers just adds more silencing and weight balance.
jorgechavez wrote:
The new Honda 250 has dual headers..
The jury is still out on the new Honda.
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Mit12 wrote:
Honda has duel tail pipes and silencers not head pipes, way different. Duel head pipes has one pipe for each exhaust valve / port. Duel tail...
Honda has duel tail pipes and silencers not head pipes, way different. Duel head pipes has one pipe for each exhaust valve / port. Duel tail pipes and silencers just adds more silencing and weight balance.




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1911 6/23/2017 7:58pm
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I hope the Honda is better then the TM. The Honda is a bit newer.



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Mit12 wrote:
Honda has duel tail pipes and silencers not head pipes, way different. Duel head pipes has one pipe for each exhaust valve / port. Duel tail...
Honda has duel tail pipes and silencers not head pipes, way different. Duel head pipes has one pipe for each exhaust valve / port. Duel tail pipes and silencers just adds more silencing and weight balance.
kzizok wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/06/23/201564/s1200_IMG_3428.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/06/23/201566/s1200_IMG_3429.jpg[/img]




I stand corrected. First time I seen this bike.
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Jeff alessi 6/24/2017 12:25am
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Mit12 wrote:
Honda has duel tail pipes and silencers not head pipes, way different. Duel head pipes has one pipe for each exhaust valve / port. Duel tail...
Honda has duel tail pipes and silencers not head pipes, way different. Duel head pipes has one pipe for each exhaust valve / port. Duel tail pipes and silencers just adds more silencing and weight balance.
kzizok wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/06/23/201564/s1200_IMG_3428.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/06/23/201566/s1200_IMG_3429.jpg[/img]




Mit12 wrote:
I stand corrected. First time I seen this bike.
Same here... New 17/18? frame complete different engine.. Very interestingSmile
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Jeff alessi 6/24/2017 12:37am
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Even tho the engine is different I can't say Honda went the wrong way, there new engine is a direct answer to there previous engine. What Honda can do with there R&D in suspension and there mapping ecu is insane. Probably weeded out the idea of dual exhaust ports and headers.
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Lastander 6/24/2017 12:41am
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Jeff alessi wrote:
Even tho the engine is different I can't say Honda went the wrong way, there new engine is a direct answer to there previous engine. What...
Even tho the engine is different I can't say Honda went the wrong way, there new engine is a direct answer to there previous engine. What Honda can do with there R&D in suspension and there mapping ecu is insane. Probably weeded out the idea of dual exhaust ports and headers.
What do you mean jeff? This is the 18 250 concept, dual camshafts, dual exhaustports and dual exhaust, there are some spy photos out, and it won the a japanese round completely stock against some really trick bikes
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1911 wrote:
I hope the Honda is better then the TM. The Honda is a bit newer. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/06/23/201569/s1200_84DCE171_C7A7_4745_81E4_7A9451494F77_11342_00000804569FB6D5.jpg[/img]
I hope the Honda is better then the TM. The Honda is a bit newer.



This post has similarities to the TM ignition
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1911 wrote:
I hope the Honda is better then the TM. The Honda is a bit newer. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/06/23/201569/s1200_84DCE171_C7A7_4745_81E4_7A9451494F77_11342_00000804569FB6D5.jpg[/img]
I hope the Honda is better then the TM. The Honda is a bit newer.



Underground wrote:
This post has similarities to the TM ignition
Factory ECU's? Mookie is in italy, is he signing a TM deal to get those ECUs for him and James?
This could totally be stamped
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TM have huge experience running full twin systems on the SM bikes, and now on the Moto3 project... the bikes are fast, Samuele Bernadini isnt a small guy and he rips on that 250
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aeffertz 6/24/2017 4:36am
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drt410 wrote:
Idk people have been winning championships on single sided exhausts for......ever. Seems like extra weight for minimal advantage. I wonder if the increased hp/tq makes up...
Idk people have been winning championships on single sided exhausts for......ever. Seems like extra weight for minimal advantage. I wonder if the increased hp/tq makes up for the weight addition.
Not a very forward way of thinking...
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Mit12 6/24/2017 10:11am
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drt410 wrote:
Idk people have been winning championships on single sided exhausts for......ever. Seems like extra weight for minimal advantage. I wonder if the increased hp/tq makes up...
Idk people have been winning championships on single sided exhausts for......ever. Seems like extra weight for minimal advantage. I wonder if the increased hp/tq makes up for the weight addition.
aeffertz wrote:
Not a very forward way of thinking...
A lot of people won championships on twin shocks with 6 inches of travel????
Thisusernameisavailable 6/24/2017 10:43am
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drt410 wrote:
Idk people have been winning championships on single sided exhausts for......ever. Seems like extra weight for minimal advantage. I wonder if the increased hp/tq makes up...
Idk people have been winning championships on single sided exhausts for......ever. Seems like extra weight for minimal advantage. I wonder if the increased hp/tq makes up for the weight addition.
That's a bit like saying people were winning championships for years on twin-shock bikes! We didn't need mono-shocks, USDs, water cooling, exhaust valves or four strokes..
jorgechavez 6/24/2017 10:55am
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If the Honda does have dual headers, do you guys think exhaust companies will come out with a single sided exhaust that has two spots for the header ports? Or is that not possible?

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TallonT911 6/24/2017 11:08am
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jorgechavez wrote:
If the Honda does have dual headers, do you guys think exhaust companies will come out with a single sided exhaust that has two spots for...
If the Honda does have dual headers, do you guys think exhaust companies will come out with a single sided exhaust that has two spots for the header ports? Or is that not possible?
Maybe they could do something like this



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deluxeman 6/24/2017 8:51pm
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I am sure there has been a ton of dyno testing done to get that exhaust to make the right kind of power in the right RPM band. If it works you will see everybody jumping on the bandwagon. I am sure Honda has learned a lot from their Moto3 250 roadrace engines, they are a DOHC motor with 2 individual exhaust ports. Knowing Honda they may even run different cam timing for each valve to smooth out the power delivery. If that is the case they would have to run individual header pipes to keep the exhaust pulses from fighting with each other. Who knows, I do know that the Honda has better top speed this year than the KTM Moto3 bikes. Should be a fun bike.

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