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All of this talk/debate about the possibility of a 350 got me thinking...
you hear a lot about how the 350 would be lighter, still deliver plenty of power, and how the riders would probably be able to go faster on them...and how 250F lap times are already close to 450F lap times...yadda yadda yadda.
i didn't think that lap times, or speed, was the only part of jumping up to the SX class.[u:mesucw89] Isn't part of the challenge (even in the 2 stroke days) learning how to control the power of the bigger bike? [/u:mesucw89] I remember RC talking about the adjustments he had to make when he first jumped to the 250 in SX and how he couldn't just hold the throttle open like on the 125. He beat himself to death, but eventually learned how to get it done. Why would the AMA want to change this? It seems kind of ass backwards to change this aspect of the racing and the maturation of the rider.
you hear a lot about how the 350 would be lighter, still deliver plenty of power, and how the riders would probably be able to go faster on them...and how 250F lap times are already close to 450F lap times...yadda yadda yadda.
i didn't think that lap times, or speed, was the only part of jumping up to the SX class.[u:mesucw89] Isn't part of the challenge (even in the 2 stroke days) learning how to control the power of the bigger bike? [/u:mesucw89] I remember RC talking about the adjustments he had to make when he first jumped to the 250 in SX and how he couldn't just hold the throttle open like on the 125. He beat himself to death, but eventually learned how to get it done. Why would the AMA want to change this? It seems kind of ass backwards to change this aspect of the racing and the maturation of the rider.
On the other hand the costs of racing smaller bore 4 strokes will drive all but the wealthy from the sport both pro and amateurs.
Damn those 4 strokes. I wonder what the cost difference is between a full on factory 125 against todays full on factory 250f.
On the other hand the costs of racing smaller bore 4 strokes will drive all but the wealthy from the sport both pro and amateurs.
Damn those 4 strokes. I wonder what the cost difference is between a full on factory 125 against todays full on factory 250f.[/quote:2o42lwvd]
It has been discussed...at least in SX...that the riders would go faster on the 350...
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You don't think the PC boys have ever been protested and tore down? I realize your probably being sarcastic, but what are the odds that those bikes actually ARE illegal? And if they are I would doubt it would be on displacement.
Anaheims have hard dirt and all of a sudden everyone was on LN's/Dirt Werx asses for not knowing how to build whoops anymore. They tried a lot of things, different spacing, heights, this and that, and concluded 450s were too much, and whoops were not the only reason. The AMA (Whitelock) agreed.
This went to backrooms and the AMA got yelled down by the OEMs. Whitelock took the matter to the FIM about one year ago, and not only did they agree, they said the 250Fs were killing their amateur base due to the high costs of maintaining vs a 125. Now the AMA and FIM agree, and this is what SX wanted. The only ones left complaining are fans and American importers US-OEMs, except for KTM. KTM loves it.
The 350 thing went through that way, and its a reality for the MX1 class in GPs in 2010. The 350s are coming. SX is FIM too. Done deal.
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That was the format at the JMI, some of the best indoor racing ever.
Anaheims have hard dirt and all of a sudden everyone was on LN's/Dirt Werx asses for not knowing how to build whoops anymore. They tried a lot of things, different spacing, heights, this and that, and concluded 450s were too much, and whoops were not the only reason. The AMA (Whitelock) agreed.
This went to backrooms and the AMA got yelled down by the OEMs. Whitelock took the matter to the FIM about one year ago, and not only did they agree, they said the 250Fs were killing their amateur base due to the high costs of maintaining vs a 125. Now the AMA and FIM agree, and this is what SX wanted. The only ones left complaining are fans and American importers US-OEMs, except for KTM. KTM loves it.
The 350 thing went through that way, and its a reality for the MX1 class in GPs in 2010. The 350s are coming. SX is FIM too. Done deal.
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Here we go. More so called facts from Mr. hearsay.
Where's your slide rule to confirm these standards and measurements?
you hear a lot about how the 350 would be lighter, .[/quote:3cmldegf]
How would it be any lighter? The minimum weight limit for the SX and MX class is 216lbs. The factory 450's have been weighing in at that weight for a long time. RC's Honda 450 was 218 and I'm sure that was allowing for the bike to puke out 2 lbs. of fluids (not including fuel) and silencer packing during the moto. What they need to do is lower the weight limit to 195lbs. for the big bikes and 175 for the lites. Maybe then we'd see the first real advvancement in moto since 1989.
You thumper drivers consistently ignore the stated reasons for the rule changes ... or try to bend the reasons around to sound like something else. They've been stated over and over and over.
You know perfectly well what they are so why don't you simply state you don't like them and drop any other pretenses. And NO ... just stating one of the reasons and ignoring the others does not get you any debate points.
Anaheims have hard dirt and all of a sudden everyone was on LN's/Dirt Werx asses for not knowing how to build whoops anymore. They tried a lot of things, different spacing, heights, this and that, and concluded 450s were too much, and whoops were not the only reason. The AMA (Whitelock) agreed.
This went to backrooms and the AMA got yelled down by the OEMs. Whitelock took the matter to the FIM about one year ago, and not only did they agree, they said the 250Fs were killing their amateur base due to the high costs of maintaining vs a 125. Now the AMA and FIM agree, and this is what SX wanted. The only ones left complaining are fans and American importers US-OEMs, except for KTM. KTM loves it.
The 350 thing went through that way, and its a reality for the MX1 class in GPs in 2010. The 350s are coming. SX is FIM too. Done deal.
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Here we go. More so called facts from Mr. hearsay.
Where's your slide rule to confirm these standards and measurements?[/quote:1t9le7e5]
you crack me up. Ask 500guy. I was in the stupid meetings!
Read above note about whoops not staying together under 450s.
This all started with tracks coming apart, not with "level playing field" goals in mind.
Pit Row
There, I said it.
We have decided to leave premiere class at 450cc.
Starting with the first round of the 2009 Supercross series, all four strokes must meet a maximum noise level of 85 DB.
The tests will be conducted with the DB meter 3' away from the silencer tip.
Sound level will be the maximum at ANY RPM. To prevent remapped ignitions, extra air filters, and other bullshit attempts to circumvent these limits, the top 10 machines at each event will be impounded and subject to a retest right after the main event.
Any machine is subject to retest at anytime during an event if there is reason to believe the machine is not in compliance.
If a rider is involved in a collision, or the rider is involved in a crash that damages the exhaust they will get an exemption provided there is no evidence that there was intent to circumvent the rule.
Oh, while you are at it, apply this to the lites class as well.
Because of the displacement advantage given to the 4 strokes, two stroke machines will have a more lenient limit of 92 db.
This will have the extra beneficial result of sounding really cool.
Meeting adjourned.
torque.
seatbounce.
You pretty much nailed it. Dr Seatbounce salutes you.
Dirt track and road engineers have known for years that a pulsing engine makes better traction, which = less spinning and more track damage.
Harley's ruled dirt track because of a screwy engineering decision a zillion years ago to make engines that were not 180 deg opposed.
seatbounce.[/quote:1l7lpzs6]
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