2-Stroke Reality Dose

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 12:47pm
Here we go with another dose of Jody W. He seems even a little more vocal this time. I don't know why MXA lets him loose like this, either way, it's definitely refreshing:

http://www.motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/CALL-TO-ARMS-JODYS-MANIFEST…
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burn1986 7/5/2011 1:40pm
7/5/2011 1:40pm Edited Date/Time 7/5/2011 2:04pm
It's the most common sense information concerning the current state of MX, but I wonder if the people who need to be reading are or will listen to it. At least you can say that there is almost 4500 (petition at 4472) people who feel the same way, and haven't drunk the elixir.
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Fender Rodes 7/5/2011 1:44pm
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That dude cries a lot. He left off some two stroke rules in the "rules" section. I enjoy all my bikes... 2 and 4 stroke. Hopefully he'll find something else to write about .... we get it. You think everyone on the planet is dumb and you are not. Stop crying, go outside and throw a leg over a bike. Fun wins..

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Spartacus 7/5/2011 1:49pm
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KILL THE MESSENGER, KILL THE MESSENGER. don't listen to the message.
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zookrider62! 7/5/2011 1:52pm
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It's always good to hear what a guy who doesnt pay for bikes or to race has to say on what bikes to buy when you race.

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Fender Rodes 7/5/2011 1:55pm
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It's definitely kill the messenger in this case because we pay $$ for the message. Every time I open an MXA to read an article written by one of the more "positive" guys I have to skip over captain buzz kill. Maybe just once he could right something different... because we get it. We're all stupid and 2 strokes are king .

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pitbike502 7/5/2011 1:59pm
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zookrider62! wrote:
It's always good to hear what a guy who doesnt pay for bikes or to race has to say on what bikes to buy when you...
It's always good to hear what a guy who doesnt pay for bikes or to race has to say on what bikes to buy when you race.
haha, yep
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burn1986 7/5/2011 2:00pm
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Well, he summed it up when he said that the sport needs a leader instead of the current crop of whusses we have now. Either way, the cost goes up daily.
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Fender Rodes 7/5/2011 2:11pm
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LOL New 2 strokes cost the same a new 4 strokes. There is a negligible price difference. And if you can do your own top end on a 2 stroke you can do it on a 4 stroke. Next time someone complains about cost maybe they should take at look at that $600 iphone in their pocket or their $60000 toy hauler.

If $300 is gonna break your bank... you shouldnt be buying a damn dirt scooter.

Most of us MX'ers like 2 strokes that's why most of us still have them. He's basically preaching to the choir. That's why he should stop preaching to us and try some execs and crooked politicians.

Not crying JMC41. Just bored at work.

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JW381 7/5/2011 2:11pm
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Sadly, he kind of reminds me of Glenn Beck. Yelling doomsday every chance he gets. I say "sadly" because I ride a 2-stroke and I agree with him on many of his points. The discrepancy in displacement is such a scam. Racers used to race bikes as big as they race now, it was called the 500 class. But that was killed off, yet now 450cc's is cool again?

I dunno, I don't worry about it too much because I have my smoker, and I love it, and that's really all that matters. I don't get any type of long lasting joy from seeing riders at my local track switching back to pre-mix, other than to tell myself I'm a trend setter. But I really would like to see some of the updates that all the thumpers get applied to my bike. Other than that, I could care less what bikes sell, just so long as there is room for both.
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ccoady454 7/5/2011 2:11pm
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I love it when opinion and fact mesh together so nicely. Smile
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American motocross racers were sold a bill of goods (which is the best selling product of the 20th Century) and once the hook got set everybody got in line and goose-stepped to the four-stroke beat.

I found this line sort of ironic considering it comes out of the mouth/pen of one of the salesman.......lol.
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TeamGreen 7/5/2011 2:14pm
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It's not just the displacement rule. The Fuel rules don't help and there's no real reason for a fuel rule...why?

Because, the new "Unleaded/4% Ox Max" fuel rules have simply made fuel MORE expensive and MUCH LESS AVAILABLE.

There were reasons for a lot of these rules at one time or another.

Those reasons aren't around, anymore.

Jody's right about some of this; yet, he's naive about a lot of it.

And, I for one...am glad he is.
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zookrider62! wrote:
It's always good to hear what a guy who doesnt pay for bikes or to race has to say on what bikes to buy when you...
It's always good to hear what a guy who doesnt pay for bikes or to race has to say on what bikes to buy when you race.
i'm pretty sure he has bought a bike or 2 in his 40+ years of riding/racing. I'm no jody fan or 2 stroke lover...but he's right on about all accounts.

why hasn't the ama changed 2stroke displacement reg's to match up with the 4 strokes? 4 strokes were given CC's to make them competitive....well give 2 strokes 150cc and 300cc.

reason: because everyone would buy 2strokes....you put RV on a 300 2 banger...and its over.
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Fender Rodes wrote:
It's definitely kill the messenger in this case because we pay $$ for the message. Every time I open an MXA to read an article written...
It's definitely kill the messenger in this case because we pay $$ for the message. Every time I open an MXA to read an article written by one of the more "positive" guys I have to skip over captain buzz kill. Maybe just once he could right something different... because we get it. We're all stupid and 2 strokes are king .

jeff
Maybe you are missing point.

Our sport is suffering from the affect of stupid choices made by people in the position to make them.

Bike sales are anemic and will continue to be until an affordable option is put forth.

Instead most OEMs are ceasing two stroke production when it is those bikes that would probably sell right now, especially with minimal updates.

There is so much BS out there right now that hide how really bad race attendance is and few in the business expect it to get better any time soon.

It is not all just the economy.

The bad choices are being compounded and the negative consequences being accelerated by the economy.

Instead of our sport becoming flat track racing in 20 years it will now happen in 10, and we are in about the sixth year now..
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Shawn142 7/5/2011 2:17pm
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This is the same magazine that told us the YZ400 was revolutionary right?
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burn1986 7/5/2011 2:17pm
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Well, it was at the time. It was produced to circumvent the rules. Everyone knows MXA will voice it all day long, but not once will they even think about doing a 250 shootout to include a 2-stroke over 125cc. Even though the factories pay their bills and tie their hands, they speak out the best they can through Jody.
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Moto East Mag 7/5/2011 2:24pm
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“The engine designers don’t know diddly-squat about building a competitive four-stroke motor—or even worse, they don’t seem to care.”
“modern four-stroke designers are enamored with the powerbands of the two-strokes”
“Perhaps the biggest excuse for not building a truly competitive, off-road four stroke motor is that there is no market for one.”

Jody, July 1996 MXA
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burn1986 7/5/2011 2:29pm
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Moto East Mag wrote:
“The engine designers don’t know diddly-squat about building a competitive four-stroke motor—or even worse, they don’t seem to care.” “modern four-stroke designers are enamored with the...
“The engine designers don’t know diddly-squat about building a competitive four-stroke motor—or even worse, they don’t seem to care.”
“modern four-stroke designers are enamored with the powerbands of the two-strokes”
“Perhaps the biggest excuse for not building a truly competitive, off-road four stroke motor is that there is no market for one.”

Jody, July 1996 MXA
At the time, there wasn't a market for a 4-stroke. After Doug henry won the Outdoors on the 400, boom, there was immediately a market and Yamaha was ahead of the curve. Of course hindsight it is 20/20, and everyone is seeing the writing on the wall now, and the price of buying in to the 4-stroke bubble.

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lostboy819 7/5/2011 2:38pm
7/5/2011 2:38pm Edited Date/Time 7/5/2011 2:41pm
I just can't stand the way he writes about himself in the third person. Sounds like he had a Jerry Maguire moment when he wrote it.
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hellion 7/5/2011 2:44pm
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Jody's the only one brave enough to call a spade a spade. He know four strokes are fun and admits to racing them often. He just wants the rules to be fair so that a two stroke can compete. He thinks if the rules were different most would switch back to two strokes, I think he's right.
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Did anyone catch the "Who's sellin' the most dirt-bikes" statisitic?

Someone FOCUSED on the market and treated it as a "Specialty" while all the Japanese OEM's were hiding behind their accountants.

Look, Jody takes some pretty strong shots at the industry...

I, for one, like it.

I'm not necessarily a "True Believer" that there's NOT more of an "EPA/Industry Running scared of Al Gore and the Eco-Bunny" movement issue here.

After-all: we've got "Carbon-Credits", "Earth in the Balance" (Anyone stop and realize that MANY schools presented this Piece of SHIT as a Scientific Documantary!?), 2 strokes getting BANNED form the Water, a "Clean-Air & Water" movement based in hysteria...and ya wonder WHY the OEM's started thinking "Clean Technology"? Yes, all those "Clean" engines out there seem to be Thumpers, don't they?
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JW381 7/5/2011 2:48pm
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hellion wrote:
Jody's the only one brave enough to call a spade a spade. He know four strokes are fun and admits to racing them often. He just...
Jody's the only one brave enough to call a spade a spade. He know four strokes are fun and admits to racing them often. He just wants the rules to be fair so that a two stroke can compete. He thinks if the rules were different most would switch back to two strokes, I think he's right.
As do I.

My girlfriend went with me to the track Sunday, and asked why some of the bikes had two exhaust pipes. I told her it was a marketing ploy advertised to have better "balance" but it was really to drive the cost of replacement pieces up from 300-400 to 700-800 dollars. Shows where my heads at lol
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hellion wrote:
Jody's the only one brave enough to call a spade a spade. He know four strokes are fun and admits to racing them often. He just...
Jody's the only one brave enough to call a spade a spade. He know four strokes are fun and admits to racing them often. He just wants the rules to be fair so that a two stroke can compete. He thinks if the rules were different most would switch back to two strokes, I think he's right.
I agree with that and I think most people do. The only problem is the people who make the rules do what they are told by the big four manufactures and the Hop up shops like Pro Circuit who spent millions to go four stroke. The rules should have been fixed back before they made the switch.
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Now, a 2012 KTM 250SX two-strokes costs $6695 and the 2012 KTM 450SXF four-stroke costs $8795. That $2100 price difference could finance your whole racing season.


I'm glad someone has the balls enough to put out the truth, the facts are hard to deny. Thanks for telling it like it is.
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DirtyFilter75 wrote:
[img]https://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/1003/beating-a-dead-horse-horse-demotivational-poster-1267844749.png[/img]
Perhaps what you should do is read the article again and try to look at it from another

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If 4 strokes are such a piece of junk why does Jody race a 450? The dude really needs a reality check. Why doesn't he sell all his 4 strokes and only ride 2 strokes if he cares so much.
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Overdrive 7/5/2011 3:43pm
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JB 19 wrote:
If 4 strokes are such a piece of junk why does Jody race a 450? The dude really needs a reality check. Why doesn't he sell...
If 4 strokes are such a piece of junk why does Jody race a 450? The dude really needs a reality check. Why doesn't he sell all his 4 strokes and only ride 2 strokes if he cares so much.
It helps if you read the article, he explained quite plainly why. Please don't say you did read it cause you surely didn't at least not all of it.

edit for spelling correction.
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hellion wrote:
Jody's the only one brave enough to call a spade a spade. He know four strokes are fun and admits to racing them often. He just...
Jody's the only one brave enough to call a spade a spade. He know four strokes are fun and admits to racing them often. He just wants the rules to be fair so that a two stroke can compete. He thinks if the rules were different most would switch back to two strokes, I think he's right.
The vet classes have always been run what you brung. No rule is going to make the 2 bikes equal if you can already race whatever you want........They can already race 250cc bikes of 2 or 4 stroke in amateur racing.......what else does he want?
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hellion wrote:
Jody's the only one brave enough to call a spade a spade. He know four strokes are fun and admits to racing them often. He just...
Jody's the only one brave enough to call a spade a spade. He know four strokes are fun and admits to racing them often. He just wants the rules to be fair so that a two stroke can compete. He thinks if the rules were different most would switch back to two strokes, I think he's right.
JB 19 wrote:
The vet classes have always been run what you brung. No rule is going to make the 2 bikes equal if you can already race whatever...
The vet classes have always been run what you brung. No rule is going to make the 2 bikes equal if you can already race whatever you want........They can already race 250cc bikes of 2 or 4 stroke in amateur racing.......what else does he want?
Not pickin at you but what 2 stroke do you suggest to ride against a 450? If 250's can compete head to head what 2 stroke is there to compete head to head with a 450? A 2 stroke 500 that hasn't been updated since the 80's.

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