Will Stewart's sponsors force him doing the outdoors if not winning SX?

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This could piss some off, and the season is not over yet, but I think this is in the air already?

During the interview with Nerd, prior to the SLC seemed he was "considering" doing the Nats, but wasn't sure, and some (me including) speculated that if he doesn't win the SX he might be "forced" to do the outdoors? I don't know any of the many deals he has, but seems everything is based on him being the fastest etc, and for sure winning "soon", pretty much hype around him. I was totally convinced he would dominate this season.

But now I personally doubt his present and future performance, what just happened? Really seems he's unable to make it work. He's probably the most skilled rider there still, but his inability to be part or build a winning team is making him look "mediocre"? Maybe he's still having the gloom making Answer etc paying the same check next year, but really? What will there marketing angle be that makes him worth more or as much as the winner of the SX?

This is just an opinion, but comparing Stewart on a KX125 toying with Reed on a 250F to the Stewart we see today makes me feel he has lost it?

Dunno about you, but for people that share my view I think he needs to do the outdoors and beat everybody to win us back, I mean if the fans are important! Smile Honestly I kind of wanted this happening because at the end of the day I love to see him ride and if that means he have to loose the SX title I'm ok with that. Smile

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No. They will pay him more to race sx next year.
5/3/2011 9:36am
Exactly how do you think they could force him to race? When they signed on they knew it was for SX only. It's funny that you and others think his fan base has shrunk. Obviously you and those others don't go to the races and see how many people hover around his pits and cheer when he gets announced or does anything on the track. Believe it or not Vital is a minute percentage of the race fans.
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I'm so glad you brought this up...


No, I don't think James will race the outdoors. His team is SX only. He has said they will do the first four nationals, which I believe is unlikely. I could see the team doing selected nationals to be eligible for the MXdN, but, that's it. jmo
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He`ll be there.

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kongols wrote:
He`ll be there.
He will? What do you base that on, just curious.
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5/3/2011 9:46am Edited Date/Time 5/3/2011 9:47am
I kind of got that impression reading that interview too. I think racing the outdoors would be a great experience for him. It will either give him experience losing and being under pressure (something he lacks compared to his competition), or it will make him a stronger rider both physically and mentally by winning, giving him confidence for next season.
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5/3/2011 9:47am Edited Date/Time 5/3/2011 9:48am
His sponsors can't force him to do anything he does not want to do.

What I am curious about is if he will still be able to command top dollar to race SX only after not winning 2 years in a row and with much more competition on the rise. He has been making far more money reportedly than anyone else and I wonder if that will continue or if the market has leveled out for him.

From last nights Pulp show it sounds like what Steve and Kenny are hearing that is it a no go for the nationals. If he was racing nationals I think he may have spent time testing for them instead of going to the Bahamas with his family during the SX break as has been reported.
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kongols wrote:
He`ll be there.
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He will? What do you base that on, just curious.
Gut feeling.
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He is testing outdoor suspension this week, so I would guess he is planning to race some Nationals.
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They always get the inside scoop first in Latvia.
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He is over this shit for the year. Couple more million in the bank to ease the pain of losing. Who is his mechanic/suspension company? Is James ability truly beyond the capabilities of the industry?
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Is there a possibility that Stewart could use some feedback from Pourcel on suspension setup? They are both using KYB,right?
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kongols wrote:
He`ll be there.
Outsider wrote:
He will? What do you base that on, just curious.
kongols wrote:
Gut feeling.
You mean love Kissing
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5/3/2011 10:08am
The question isn't whether they'll force him to, but whether they'll pay for it.
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5/3/2011 10:21am Edited Date/Time 5/3/2011 10:27am
I think "supercross-only" as a career strategy no longer makes sense, at least for those wanting to win championships. You can't not race at the top level for 8 months straight and expect to just show up in January and be competitive against the likes of Ryan Villopoto, plus Chad, Trey and Pourcel that all have winning speed and SX programs.

James just does not have the field covered well enough to do that any more... but then again, maybe winning championships is no longer his primary goal. If his heart is still "in it to win it", he should find a way to race this summer.
5/3/2011 10:28am
I think the only thing maybe "forcing" James to do the outdoors would be his show. The comeback from injury to prove his is the "fastest man on the planet" didn't work out quite like he planned, so he may want to do the Nationals to get the story they were looking for.
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I think "supercross-only" as a career strategy no longer makes sense, at least for those wanting to win championships. You can't not race at the top...
I think "supercross-only" as a career strategy no longer makes sense, at least for those wanting to win championships. You can't not race at the top level for 8 months straight and expect to just show up in January and be competitive against the likes of Ryan Villopoto, plus Chad, Trey and Pourcel that all have winning speed and SX programs.

James just does not have the field covered well enough to do that any more... but then again, maybe winning championships is no longer his primary goal. If his heart is still "in it to win it", he should find a way to race this summer.
Well, RV is about to take the title after not racing from April of last year until A1.
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Well, RV is about to take the title after not racing from April of last year until A1.
That's true, but I don't think Ryan suffers from the same confidence and focus problems that apparently plagued James this season. You wouldn't think he'd be happy finishing in 4th, and want to end his year in that position. His competition will only be stronger and more confident next year.
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i think the question should go the other way around.......what can stuwart do for his huge sponsors....???
does huge sponsors have put all their eggs on stuwarts basket......not doing mx is not a big deal if you are winning sx and specially if you are the fastest man on the planet..!!!!!!
the thing is when you dont win........last year was due to injury, but this year there are no excuses.......
so it makes 2 years without titles......most of all the loss of the fmotp one....!!!!!!!
so i think yamaha, redbull and answer could be looking to cut their loses by downsizing stuwarts check and getting someone else to get them a few wins.......they will see 3 more ama champions without their colors......and redbull has their onw ktm team in the states now........
so i think either stuwart milks the rest that cow has to give and hangs the boots.......or he should be thinking hard what to do to keep his sponsors on his bandwagon.....
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DrSweden wrote:
This could piss some off, and the season is not over yet, but I think this is in the air already? During the interview with Nerd...
This could piss some off, and the season is not over yet, but I think this is in the air already?

During the interview with Nerd, prior to the SLC seemed he was "considering" doing the Nats, but wasn't sure, and some (me including) speculated that if he doesn't win the SX he might be "forced" to do the outdoors? I don't know any of the many deals he has, but seems everything is based on him being the fastest etc, and for sure winning "soon", pretty much hype around him. I was totally convinced he would dominate this season.

But now I personally doubt his present and future performance, what just happened? Really seems he's unable to make it work. He's probably the most skilled rider there still, but his inability to be part or build a winning team is making him look "mediocre"? Maybe he's still having the gloom making Answer etc paying the same check next year, but really? What will there marketing angle be that makes him worth more or as much as the winner of the SX?

This is just an opinion, but comparing Stewart on a KX125 toying with Reed on a 250F to the Stewart we see today makes me feel he has lost it?

Dunno about you, but for people that share my view I think he needs to do the outdoors and beat everybody to win us back, I mean if the fans are important! Smile Honestly I kind of wanted this happening because at the end of the day I love to see him ride and if that means he have to loose the SX title I'm ok with that. Smile

I'm off?
gunpoint or plank?

get real doc, sheesh
5/3/2011 10:46am
OldTiddler wrote:
I think "supercross-only" as a career strategy no longer makes sense, at least for those wanting to win championships. You can't not race at the top...
I think "supercross-only" as a career strategy no longer makes sense, at least for those wanting to win championships. You can't not race at the top level for 8 months straight and expect to just show up in January and be competitive against the likes of Ryan Villopoto, plus Chad, Trey and Pourcel that all have winning speed and SX programs.

James just does not have the field covered well enough to do that any more... but then again, maybe winning championships is no longer his primary goal. If his heart is still "in it to win it", he should find a way to race this summer.
Because of injury hasn’t Villopoto been a “Supercross only” for the same amount of time as Stewart?
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His sponsors can drop his ass like a hot potato for not producing results, and tell him if he want's to stay on the payroll he better come up with some descent results for the money they are paying him, they could tell him if you race the Nationals and do well we will keep you if not bye bye James 10 mil a year!
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Moto4T5 wrote:
His sponsors can drop his ass like a hot potato for not producing results, and tell him if he want's to stay on the payroll he...
His sponsors can drop his ass like a hot potato for not producing results, and tell him if he want's to stay on the payroll he better come up with some descent results for the money they are paying him, they could tell him if you race the Nationals and do well we will keep you if not bye bye James 10 mil a year!
What if they signed up only for SX? They get a freebie?

The sponsors I'm pretty sure are primarily interested in exposure over championships, and they got it. whether he won of finishes where he is now in the standings.

I want to see more of Stewart on the track as anyone, but the notion that the sponsors are going to make him ride the nationals because of his supercross results, on his own dime or not, is delusional.
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A fourth place in the series with 5 wins and in the title hunt is more than enough to keep the checks coming. Reed wishes he had 5 wins this season and nobody is baging on him. Stewart checks keep coming. Reeds checks end. Why the hate?
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According to Matthes and Watson Stewart had someone do some outdoor testing and then he rode the bike and hated it. Also Yamaha would not provide parts, bonuses, or any other support. Cost to race would come out his pocket so he said the hell with it. Who knows what the truth is. I say Yamaha SUCKS, if true. Maybe they have no confidence in him anymore?

Supercross only DOES NOT WORK ANYMORE! Too many fast riders riding year round. Look at some of these guys racing today and look for the common factor. Canard, Short,Alessi, RV, Dungey and others but especially this year Chad Reed. They all have passion for the sport. Reed started this year putting up his own money to start his own team. Passion. Look at someone like Canard. The guy always has a smile (except when he shoved Dungey LOL). He loves what he is doing. Passion. I think Stewart has lost this. It's a shame with his talent but I don't see him winning another championship staying with his Supercross only strategy. I know some will think I'm full of crap about him not winning another championship but that's my opinion.
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5/3/2011 11:02am
kongols wrote:
He`ll be there.
He'll race a few outdoor or gp's like he was supposed to last year, but he didn't because he got hurt. He has a contract, I don't understand why people over look that, you don't go changing contracts half way through the year.

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He'll race a few outdoor or gp's like he was supposed to last year, but he didn't because he got hurt. He has a contract, I...
He'll race a few outdoor or gp's like he was supposed to last year, but he didn't because he got hurt. He has a contract, I don't understand why people over look that, you don't go changing contracts half way through the year.

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Make sense if you know what's in his contract, something I obviously know jack about.

The "forced" thing was intended as if he needed to boost his stock for the coming season negotiations or depending how his contract looks the present.
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DrSweden wrote:
This could piss some off, and the season is not over yet, but I think this is in the air already? During the interview with Nerd...
This could piss some off, and the season is not over yet, but I think this is in the air already?

During the interview with Nerd, prior to the SLC seemed he was "considering" doing the Nats, but wasn't sure, and some (me including) speculated that if he doesn't win the SX he might be "forced" to do the outdoors? I don't know any of the many deals he has, but seems everything is based on him being the fastest etc, and for sure winning "soon", pretty much hype around him. I was totally convinced he would dominate this season.

But now I personally doubt his present and future performance, what just happened? Really seems he's unable to make it work. He's probably the most skilled rider there still, but his inability to be part or build a winning team is making him look "mediocre"? Maybe he's still having the gloom making Answer etc paying the same check next year, but really? What will there marketing angle be that makes him worth more or as much as the winner of the SX?

This is just an opinion, but comparing Stewart on a KX125 toying with Reed on a 250F to the Stewart we see today makes me feel he has lost it?

Dunno about you, but for people that share my view I think he needs to do the outdoors and beat everybody to win us back, I mean if the fans are important! Smile Honestly I kind of wanted this happening because at the end of the day I love to see him ride and if that means he have to loose the SX title I'm ok with that. Smile

I'm off?
BobbyM wrote:
gunpoint or plank?

get real doc, sheesh
If those the only options: gunpoint I hope! Smile
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He'll race a few outdoor or gp's like he was supposed to last year, but he didn't because he got hurt. He has a contract, I...
He'll race a few outdoor or gp's like he was supposed to last year, but he didn't because he got hurt. He has a contract, I don't understand why people over look that, you don't go changing contracts half way through the year.

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DrSweden wrote:
Make sense if you know what's in his contract, something I obviously know jack about. The "forced" thing was intended as if he needed to boost...
Make sense if you know what's in his contract, something I obviously know jack about.

The "forced" thing was intended as if he needed to boost his stock for the coming season negotiations or depending how his contract looks the present.
He doesn't need to boost his stock, he received plenty of ink this year for his sponsors, on top of having a television show, that he promotes his sponsors on as well. I don't know what's on his contract, but I remember last year he was to do a handful of outdoor races and gp's but he was injured and didn't, then tried to do was it Unadilla ?? and he wasn't ready and it went bad. He has a contract, pretty sure it's still the same one he had last year, so I am sure he will be doing the same thing, barring he doesn't hurt himself in Vegas.

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