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Mstock 4/27/2011 8:12pm
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Pourcel does not need the money. He is loaded. Set for life. Why race unless its for stupid money? Ask JS how much he would need to make to race the entire outdoor season.
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Mod Killer 4/27/2011 8:16pm
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kong, im not knocking cp at all here.

i give him props for going for what he believes hes worth. this is normal for most every other sport. i do not see why anyone would be jealous of "labor" taking advantage of the situation afforded them and trying to get as much from "management" as possible. well.....i guess i could see why some here would be jealous, most of us are labor, and most of us have no leverage on management. so when we see an athlete get in this position that we'd all love to be in, envy sets in. people really shouldnt be hating on the guy tho. we'd all do the same if we were in his position.


i just hope there is a master plan here on his part.

it'd be so weird to see fox and monster shell out all this money to a guy who is not going to race because nobody can afford him or because these odd conflicts with co-sponsors have closed too many doors.
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mjskier 4/27/2011 8:20pm
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MCfan4life wrote:
"come close to one"

er Geico finished 2nd in last years 450 Nationals. Does that class as "close"?...
Go ahead, split hair if you like. 150 points behind the winner, in a depleted field, isn't exactly coming close to delivering a championship in my book.

Hey I don't care either way. The show will go on with or without him.
But the guy was paralyzed and his brother is out 4 to 6 months with a broken back. So I can't fault him for not wanting to ride below a certain price. I just don't understand why people are piling the shit on him.
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Mod Killer wrote:
so for those keeping score.... ktm was willing to pay the price....cp dont like the bikes. kawi offered him what he wanted, deal was ready to...
so for those keeping score....


ktm was willing to pay the price....cp dont like the bikes.

kawi offered him what he wanted, deal was ready to go, but they didnt want mitch involved so cp's loyalty cost him that deal

mitch offered to field a kawi 450 for cp but kawi wants none of that. mitch trying to get in the 450 class is part of what pushed kawi to fmf in the first place. so no pc kawi 450 without kawis blessing and that aint happening so pc kawi deal dead.

geico cant afford the bonuses asked for.....so gieco honda 450 deal dead.

monster helmet deal conflicts with valli's rockstar affiliation so the valli deal is dead? hmmm....this must be out of loyalty to monster on cp's part then. because it was yamaha and rockstar who were willing to pay whatever the price to get him on valli.



why is it that it feels like this whole thing is a charade to leverage for the factory hrc seat?


JSE is heavily affiliated with redbull. JGR likes taking projects, not stars/primadonas, so no chance he's gonna be with JGR.

twotwo is with shift. fox owns shift. and cp got a monster deal from fox recently. twotwo needs an energy drink. but monster is and forever will be glued to kawi for the time being so i dont see monster helping out a honda backed team.

whats left?


what a circus. they all think (and they may be right) that hes the next JMB. ive never seen anything like this.
Are you sure about the KTM deal? It's been said here he didn't like the KTMs, but sounded on the man that he didn't want CP because of him being less marketable than Short etc and for sure the cash they had to pay it wasn't worth it?

In the french interview from 2010 he said Kawasaki NEWER returned his offer, newer called etc. That's the reason why he wont ride a PC Kawasaki according to was it Matthes or Nerd? So I don't buy that he got a good offer...

I agree with the rest though! Smile

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DrSweden 4/27/2011 8:28pm
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mjskier wrote:
Go ahead, split hair if you like. 150 points behind the winner, in a depleted field, isn't exactly coming close to delivering a championship in my...
Go ahead, split hair if you like. 150 points behind the winner, in a depleted field, isn't exactly coming close to delivering a championship in my book.

Hey I don't care either way. The show will go on with or without him.
But the guy was paralyzed and his brother is out 4 to 6 months with a broken back. So I can't fault him for not wanting to ride below a certain price. I just don't understand why people are piling the shit on him.
People pile shit on him because he's: rich, faster than everybody here, french, score more chicks than us combined (if you count me out, because I will kill him in that competition lol) and has integrity and does his own thing without any major consideration what will the general fan think of me now. And if I forgot, he's FRENCH!

Just Imagine if he was a gay, black and atheist as well?

Maybe that's why? Smile
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Is he gay? LOL.
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DrSweden wrote:
People pile shit on him because he's: rich, faster than everybody here, french, score more chicks than us combined (if you count me out, because I...
People pile shit on him because he's: rich, faster than everybody here, french, score more chicks than us combined (if you count me out, because I will kill him in that competition lol) and has integrity and does his own thing without any major consideration what will the general fan think of me now. And if I forgot, he's FRENCH!

Just Imagine if he was a gay, black and atheist as well?

Maybe that's why? Smile
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dv12.com 4/27/2011 8:32pm
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I wonder what DV12 will say?
Made him a salary offer to start the discussion... Never got a reply...
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mxb2 4/27/2011 8:33pm
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I want to see the dude out there! no biggie, If he has no intentions in riding, just let people know. I think thats why people give him a hard time. I would love to see him on a factory Zook with Metty and RD.
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WhipMeister 4/27/2011 8:38pm
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Mstock wrote:
Pourcel does not need the money. He is loaded. Set for life. Why race unless its for stupid money? Ask JS how much he would need...
Pourcel does not need the money. He is loaded. Set for life. Why race unless its for stupid money? Ask JS how much he would need to make to race the entire outdoor season.
Are you his accountant?
TbonesPop 4/27/2011 8:40pm
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Where would you draw the line though? If you don't get 75%, will you take 50%, 25%, work for nothing? And if you do work for...
Where would you draw the line though? If you don't get 75%, will you take 50%, 25%, work for nothing?
And if you do work for nothing, were does that leave the other riders? "So sorry, I was going to pay you to risk your life, but guess what, I can get a Pourcel for nothing...".
GEICO or Valli aren't taking much of a risk with a bonus only contract. So if they want a top level rider, the least they can do is make it interesting for him. It's not like they are proven powerhouses in the 450s. Last time I checked they haven't delivered any championship or come close to one.
This isn't emotional, it's simply a business decision at the end of the day. How much money do they expect will come in as a result of how the rider rides and how much will the expenses be and what does the net bottom line look like? It's as simple as that. I'm not saying CP isn't a great rider, he is. But how much revenue and profit will he generate is the question at the end of the day. It's not just based on how well he rides either, look at KW. He's an icon and I don't know what his payout is, but I guarantee he's worth every penny of it - win or lose.

And as far as the risk your life comment, CP chose this profession and nobody is putting a gun to his head to make him "risk his life" by racing. I don't have any sympathy for him since he chose his career path. I wish I had 25% of the talent and opportunity these guys have. Some of them are making an unbelievable living/retirement doing what we do for fun on the weekends.
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dv12.com 4/27/2011 8:41pm
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Mstock wrote:
Pourcel does not need the money. He is loaded. Set for life. Why race unless its for stupid money? Ask JS how much he would need...
Pourcel does not need the money. He is loaded. Set for life. Why race unless its for stupid money? Ask JS how much he would need to make to race the entire outdoor season.
Maybe in Cambodia, not in Europe or in the US...
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yosmithy 4/27/2011 8:43pm
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I heard from sources out of South Cleveland, that Geico actually tried to offer CP winning bonus's based in Peso's?

Someone in the CP camp caught it just in time
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mjskier 4/27/2011 8:47pm
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dv12.com wrote:
Made him a salary offer to start the discussion... Never got a reply...
Maybe he doesn't like Kit Kats... :-)
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Mstock wrote:
Pourcel does not need the money. He is loaded. Set for life. Why race unless its for stupid money? Ask JS how much he would need...
Pourcel does not need the money. He is loaded. Set for life. Why race unless its for stupid money? Ask JS how much he would need to make to race the entire outdoor season.
dv12.com wrote:
Maybe in Cambodia, not in Europe or in the US...
No kidding he's a young man still. He could use a few more Zero's at the end of his statement.

Obviously His price is so high nobody can afford him and his demands. I wonder if any GP Teams even tried.
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MX Culture 4/27/2011 8:54pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
You heard here first, he will ride for Mitch on a 250.
no way, Mitch has 4 guys right now that can win motos and/or the title.
why get a fifth guy?
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dv12.com 4/27/2011 8:59pm
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Talking of the devil... I just got a reply... ;-)
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dv12.com wrote:
Talking of the devil... I just got a reply... ;-)
Deep down in heart he really loves you.Blush

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dv12.com 4/27/2011 9:01pm
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500guy wrote:
No kidding he's a young man still. He could use a few more Zero's at the end of his statement. Obviously His price is so high...
No kidding he's a young man still. He could use a few more Zero's at the end of his statement.

Obviously His price is so high nobody can afford him and his demands. I wonder if any GP Teams even tried.
I am pretty confident a guy like Mike Larocco (or myself) made more money than him and we are still working... ;-)
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I thought about what's going on , and came up with a mathematical equation for it No > CP X SX =0 , + no CP X Nat = 0 divided by CP +GP's = $$$$. Obviously this equation is different here then it is overseas!

If he doesn't snap back into reality......his hopes of winning anything over here shrink by the day! Which pisses me off , because I really want to watch him race!
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dv12.com wrote:
Talking of the devil... I just got a reply... ;-)
Was it a "middle finger" gesture?

Or a "please send me a bike" message?

I am sure you would like to announce the outcome right here on the most factual place of MX...?Tongue
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dv12.com wrote:
Talking of the devil... I just got a reply... ;-)
They still playing hardball?

He would be a great addition to your team.
Use some kind of French physiological guilt trip to make him sign. Smile
Or just show up at his house every morning with a Moto Concepts Team Bike in the back of
your truck and say...let's go riding.
Maybe even have JMB,Tortelli,Ron Ron,Sorby,Picone & yourself corner him and talk him into signing with MC. Smile
Pressure him.
How could a French MX'er say no to all those guys?
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dv12.com wrote:
Talking of the devil... I just got a reply... ;-)
Spill the beans DV!!!
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jeffro503 4/27/2011 9:12pm
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500guy wrote:
No kidding he's a young man still. He could use a few more Zero's at the end of his statement. Obviously His price is so high...
No kidding he's a young man still. He could use a few more Zero's at the end of his statement.

Obviously His price is so high nobody can afford him and his demands. I wonder if any GP Teams even tried.
dv12.com wrote:
I am pretty confident a guy like Mike Larocco (or myself) made more money than him and we are still working... ;-)
CP must of saw my mathematical equation above and shat in his pants when I mentioned the "GP's"........your welcome Dv!
Chris O'Neal 4/27/2011 10:12pm
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Certainly isn't gaining any fans by doing it for the love of the sport. Who are we talking about again? Did he used to race? Huh
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scooterB wrote:
cp knows his worth...simple enough
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Please help me understand this - HOW does he know what he's worth?? Has he proven himself at ALL on the 450 in the AMA?? I...
Please help me understand this - HOW does he know what he's worth?? Has he proven himself at ALL on the 450 in the AMA?? I don't think so.

Kind of made me laugh how all this time everyone was sayin how he would be a title threat right away in SX, I kind of doubt it.
Top 10, top 5, ok, but if he did race SX I would have been shocked to see him top 3.

IMO he is making a big mistake in not signing with someone. He is not the only "rock star" in the sport. He better go to work before he loses more chances and more fans.
U must be joking... remember when he used to spank Ryan D or Canard??
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U must be joking... remember when he used to spank Ryan D or Canard??
'used to'
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Mod Killer wrote:
so for those keeping score.... ktm was willing to pay the price....cp dont like the bikes. kawi offered him what he wanted, deal was ready to...
so for those keeping score....


ktm was willing to pay the price....cp dont like the bikes.

kawi offered him what he wanted, deal was ready to go, but they didnt want mitch involved so cp's loyalty cost him that deal

mitch offered to field a kawi 450 for cp but kawi wants none of that. mitch trying to get in the 450 class is part of what pushed kawi to fmf in the first place. so no pc kawi 450 without kawis blessing and that aint happening so pc kawi deal dead.

geico cant afford the bonuses asked for.....so gieco honda 450 deal dead.

monster helmet deal conflicts with valli's rockstar affiliation so the valli deal is dead? hmmm....this must be out of loyalty to monster on cp's part then. because it was yamaha and rockstar who were willing to pay whatever the price to get him on valli.



why is it that it feels like this whole thing is a charade to leverage for the factory hrc seat?


JSE is heavily affiliated with redbull. JGR likes taking projects, not stars/primadonas, so no chance he's gonna be with JGR.

twotwo is with shift. fox owns shift. and cp got a monster deal from fox recently. twotwo needs an energy drink. but monster is and forever will be glued to kawi for the time being so i dont see monster helping out a honda backed team.

whats left?


what a circus. they all think (and they may be right) that hes the next JMB. ive never seen anything like this.
"geico cant afford the bonuses asked for.....so gieco honda 450 deal dead."

Wouldn't factory Honda step in to cover the bonuses in something like this?
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shaner708 4/27/2011 11:01pm
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Chris O'Neal wrote:
Certainly isn't gaining any fans by doing it for the love of the sport. Who are we talking about again? Did he used to race? Huh
That is where you are wrong. I prefer people who make decisions based on what they want to do and not what the majority of people want/ expect them to do. I'm not saying he is necessarily right in this situation but I respect him for drawing a line in the sand and holding his ground. CP is awesome in my book.
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dirtnapper 4/27/2011 11:06pm
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scooterB wrote:
cp knows his worth...simple enough
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Please help me understand this - HOW does he know what he's worth?? Has he proven himself at ALL on the 450 in the AMA?? I...
Please help me understand this - HOW does he know what he's worth?? Has he proven himself at ALL on the 450 in the AMA?? I don't think so.

Kind of made me laugh how all this time everyone was sayin how he would be a title threat right away in SX, I kind of doubt it.
Top 10, top 5, ok, but if he did race SX I would have been shocked to see him top 3.

IMO he is making a big mistake in not signing with someone. He is not the only "rock star" in the sport. He better go to work before he loses more chances and more fans.
Johan905 wrote:
U must be joking... remember when he used to spank Ryan D or Canard??
450's, dude.

When did he ever spank anyone here on the 450?? Ummmmm...oh yeah...never.

I will never discredit him for his skill, speed, history, past chamionships, etc. - he beat the best 250 guys a lot. But where does he get off asking such a big price for a ride he is unproven on??

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