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Why do the gurus at MX Sports call the only +30 Vet class, Vet B/C? Its full of Vet A racers! I just checked the results from a local area qualifier that I was planning to hit but didn't make, good thing. All the entries were local long time Vet A riders. Why not call it Vet C/Pro-Sport? That would make about as much sense as this. The whole Lorettas deal has very little credibilty anymore unless maybe in the Pee Wee classes.
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There is a rule in place, to my knowledge, that if you top 5 a B class you have to move up to A for the following year. However, this does not apply to the vet classes and that came straight from Ryan Holliday. So, last years winner and runner up are eligible to race Vet B again this year. That is a joke.
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Accusing someone of sandbagging is kind of a joke, if they were fast enough to be competitive at the next level, they would be there. For instance, Dean Wilson blows away everyone in the B class at Glen Helen, and catches most of the pros running 30 min + 2 during a staggered moto, but then and goes and gets a top five at the World Mini GP. Is he sandbagging? No. What about Tommy Weeck? He got like 5 titles in texas this year, but didn't win the World Mini GP either. What about the A class, like Whartons, Larsen, etc...shouldn't they just be trying to get their pro license to hit up Villopoto, Stroupe, etc on the starting line? Nah, they all need to bide their time in the am ranks these days, to get sponsorships and get experience instead of just moving up like the guys of yesteryear did.
ALL Motocross is has sandbaggers. Its promoted in the sport. Why would it change at that level?
$10 Trophy is worth more then the honor of racing in a class that is faster then you and your self satisfaction that you did well.
Vet B/C should be guys that have been riding for fun, maybe a race or two, but have always been at this level. This class is filled with guys that when late teens, early twenties, they were int/exp or even racing local pros. Even though they been off for a while, it comes back quick. This class will never be right.
They should do it by lap times. At an area qualifier, the A class should be the benchmark. If a rider is a certain percentage of time away from the next class lap times, up they go. Too many times, this class has 4-5 guys that are a second or two off Vet pro or even 450 Int, which is filled with kids that will soon be pro. Some of these vets are worse than psycho mini dads
Your right! All sports have sandbagging issues not just motocross, however, I don't believe these guys/gals (whatever the sport) have any true self respect.
I know several guys that have held a pro license and can't outrun the top guys in 30B/C from last year. They continue to ride and race in the open vet classes. Props to them even if they are not finishing at the top; they have earned my respect.
The rules have been set by MX Sports and it is a little last to debate them. Maybe B/C class should be changed back to open maybe not? The fact of the matter is it is a B/C class and the rules state if you have ever held a pro license, raced as an “A” rider, or finished in top 5 last year you are ineligible to ride in this class. Not so difficult to understand.
"Sorry there was some confusion about this. The top 5 thing does apply to the
Vet B/C class. That means you are not permitted to ride Vet B/C this year. I
was under the impression that you had been notified by Andy Boyer from MX
Sports and/or Ryan Holliday from the AMA."
Hope this clears up the confusion on this issue. Im fine with this as long as they don't change thier minds. The only bummer is that it kills a class for me at least for another 4 years. Riding 2 classes at Loretta's keeps you on your toes all week. So unless I find some new speed at my age the +25 class will be an alternate at best. But, we will see at the regional....... who knows maybe I can take some Geritol right before the gate drops or something..... "The older I get the faster I was"
A rider who wins a local C class is really at least a B rider and probably should be an A rider. And you go to a local race and there are 60 entries in 250F C class and 5 in 250F A class. It's stupid.
MX SPorts decides on what classes they wish to run at LL, the least that can be done is follow rules on the process.
Some one said they should take "ex-pros" and give them thier own class to race, and that is exactly what should happen.. They did away with Age/ B/C classes a few years ago because sandbagging, manipulatiing adults are a pita.
They came back with this class 30 b/c and had to know it would be a nightmare.
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the best cure for sandbaggers (who will never go away)- ride faster and beat them.
We're working hard on policing the Vet 30 B/C class. There was some controversy in the division last year that was out of our hands, but those things have a way of working themselves out.
Last year that class saw seven-rider freight-trains and produced a different winner in each moto. It will be a fair and competitive class again in 2008.
Please call us at the MX Sports office at 304.284.0101 or e-mail me at andy@mxsports.com if you feel like there is a rider we need to look at.
Here is some real some baggin.
Jim Coons the Vet A rider from WI, (he was one of those that you tossed from Byron), was down in Lake Whitney last spring and won the Vet C/D class!!. If your going to bag, bag big!
Senior 40 + C/D - Class Finish Positions
Overall Nbr Name Moto 1 Moto 2
1st #323 JIM COONS - YAM VERONA, WI 3rd 1st
2nd #222 JAMES ANDERSON - KAW ARNOLD, MO 2nd 2nd
3rd #4 DAVID BIBBY - KTM MIDLAND, TX 5th 3rd
4th #900 KEVIN JONES - HON BEARDSTOWN, IL 4th 4th
5th #22 ADAM ENTICKNAP - HON LOMPOC, CA 1st 9th
6th #617 DON LARGE - HON BEARDSTOWN, IL 7th 5th
7th #305 HERMAN TEALE - YAM HOUSTON, TX 8th 6th
8th #8 ANDY KIMBRELL - YAM MISSOURI CITY, TX 9th 7th
9th #09 CORY FOSTER - HON LIBERTY HILL, TX 10th 8th
10th #417 MIKE CHRISTY - SUZ CAMBRIDGE, MN 11th 10th
11th #196 WARREN TYSON - YAM PHENIX CITY, AL 6th DNS
places have D where's thiers? Kick the C's to the curb and bring back +
50.
Those days are gone..
I have been a little timid to even say anything about this class last year because so many people are so up in arms over it. BUT What Andy said is exactly right. Last year's class was an excellent job by MX sports. Once the one rider (regardless of opinions) was no longer in the picture it was a dog eat dog fight to the end. I should know I won it with a 2,2,4. I never complained about the one rider either. That decision for him to race was his and the ama, NOT MXSPORTS! If he would have finished the week and I finished 2nd overall I would have been thrilled. Honestly, I don't think I could duplicate the victory even if I was allowed to return in the class and defend the title. The competition was good and trust me it was crowded in the front. Mx sports has tried to give some of us a class that will respect what we are... Weekend warriors. If all goes well then I will see everyone again but in the 35 class and then go brag that I was on the same line as Walker, May, Dubach and whoever else that worked harder at thier profession than I did on my sport.
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