So where are all these 2 stroke revolutionaries?

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Lots of two smokes in the NorthWest!
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calimxer91 wrote:
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Who you calling a Poser vato Silly
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mx295 wrote:
Who you calling a Poser vato Silly
himself lol bet he cant do a double!!

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mx295 wrote:
Who you calling a Poser vato Silly
Mx 1fifty6 wrote:
himself lol bet he cant do a double!!
He can do a double.. A few double doubles..lmao
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I just did some practice, and Jake Morrison was doing some laps as well on a YZ250!!! Braaap! I haven't seen him practice on a four stroke for a long while...

But I guess he doesn't count? Smile
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Mx 1fifty6 wrote:
i grew up on 2 smokers and i love them! got a 450 yamaha 07 now and i want a smoker badly.. 450 are great cause...
i grew up on 2 smokers and i love them! got a 450 yamaha 07 now and i want a smoker badly.. 450 are great cause you can be lazy and not work that hard... i ride my friends 2 stroke alot now and i just love the smell of them dam things when you go around the track! i live in southern california and i see 2 strokes coming back around out here..
i ride my friends 2 stroke alot now and i just love the smell of them dam things when you go around the track!

So do you think I could sell a 'stick up" air freshener for the face piece on helmets that smell like "Klotz Racin Castor"?
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Let's face it guy's. Riding a two stroke gives you an excuse to be slow. Laughing
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jmar wrote:
Let's face it guy's. Riding a two stroke gives you an excuse to be slow. Laughing
Tell that to Broc Hepler .
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R-acer wrote:
Do they only [i]post[/i] here on Vital? Or do they actually ride their 2 strokes in a secret location? Or is it just a Cali thing...
Do they only post here on Vital? Or do they actually ride their 2 strokes in a secret location? Or is it just a Cali thing?

I don’t see many 2 stroke's on the track's around here in Ontario, at the tracks we run anyway (except for the 85's), so I figured with all the 2 stroke talk that takes place on here, I might be surrounded by them down south.

Well I just did a sweep of a whole bunch of tracks in Florida and Georgia over the last 2 weeks and all I saw was a shit load of 4 strokes, 250F's and 450F's from every brand, mostly Red and Green and allot of them were 2011 models!!
Bike sales can't be THAT bad...there are a shit load of new bikes out there.

I did see a young rider on a CR125 with his dad, who looked like he was just moving up from an 85, and I saw a vet rider on a 250, oh and a pretty quick kid on a ktm 144 that stayed together for the entire day, I was very surprised about that!
But other than that, I think the only 2 strokes I saw were 85's.
you're from Canada where your entire economy is based on Maple Syrup and Celine Dion. Now pass me the Yamalube R and STFU
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jmar wrote:
Let's face it guy's. Riding a two stroke gives you an excuse to be slow. Laughing
or if you're fast to say it takes more skill (;
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R-acer wrote:
Do they only [i]post[/i] here on Vital? Or do they actually ride their 2 strokes in a secret location? Or is it just a Cali thing...
Do they only post here on Vital? Or do they actually ride their 2 strokes in a secret location? Or is it just a Cali thing?

I don’t see many 2 stroke's on the track's around here in Ontario, at the tracks we run anyway (except for the 85's), so I figured with all the 2 stroke talk that takes place on here, I might be surrounded by them down south.

Well I just did a sweep of a whole bunch of tracks in Florida and Georgia over the last 2 weeks and all I saw was a shit load of 4 strokes, 250F's and 450F's from every brand, mostly Red and Green and allot of them were 2011 models!!
Bike sales can't be THAT bad...there are a shit load of new bikes out there.

I did see a young rider on a CR125 with his dad, who looked like he was just moving up from an 85, and I saw a vet rider on a 250, oh and a pretty quick kid on a ktm 144 that stayed together for the entire day, I was very surprised about that!
But other than that, I think the only 2 strokes I saw were 85's.
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R-acer wrote:
Do they only [i]post[/i] here on Vital? Or do they actually ride their 2 strokes in a secret location? Or is it just a Cali thing...
Do they only post here on Vital? Or do they actually ride their 2 strokes in a secret location? Or is it just a Cali thing?

I don’t see many 2 stroke's on the track's around here in Ontario, at the tracks we run anyway (except for the 85's), so I figured with all the 2 stroke talk that takes place on here, I might be surrounded by them down south.

Well I just did a sweep of a whole bunch of tracks in Florida and Georgia over the last 2 weeks and all I saw was a shit load of 4 strokes, 250F's and 450F's from every brand, mostly Red and Green and allot of them were 2011 models!!
Bike sales can't be THAT bad...there are a shit load of new bikes out there.

I did see a young rider on a CR125 with his dad, who looked like he was just moving up from an 85, and I saw a vet rider on a 250, oh and a pretty quick kid on a ktm 144 that stayed together for the entire day, I was very surprised about that!
But other than that, I think the only 2 strokes I saw were 85's.
cmilktm wrote:
You Ontario Guys are always know alls! Lots of 2 strokes out in alberta I have noticed alot more YZ's and RM's coming out of the...
You Ontario Guys are always know alls!
Lots of 2 strokes out in alberta

I have noticed alot more YZ's and RM's coming out of the garages and showing up at the tracks this year.
Go to a Hare scramble. its a sea of two smokes!
People tires of shelling out big bucks on a 250f just to spend bigger bucks rebuilding it
TerryK wrote:
Don't lump me into the same category with that tool! :D He only represents one area of Ontario. In my part of the province there are...
Don't lump me into the same category with that tool! :D

He only represents one area of Ontario. In my part of the province there are more and more 2 strokes showing up. And at many of the tracks that our guys race at in Minnesota's d23 the same is true. People are indeed catching on to the fact that 2 strokes are way way cheaper to race and maintain. They may be dead in most peoples eyes, but you can't argue the fact that its much more affordable for a racer to ride a 2 stroke. No one can debate that successfully.
I'll debate that. I always loved the two strokes and hated the four stroke movement. I had my son racing 50's, 65's, 85's, 100's and 125's. I was always re ringing, or putting in new pistons or even doing cranks on those things. When he turned thirteen we switched to the four strokes and we are on our fourth one right now. I've never spent one dime on engine maintenance and never had one engine failure. Never have fouled a plug. Don't need to buy two stroke oil. Don't go trough clutches. I love the 4's now. My life is much easier. Keep the filters clean and change the oil regularly and no problems.
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jmar wrote:
Let's face it guy's. Riding a two stroke gives you an excuse to be slow. Laughing
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Tell that to Broc Hepler .
How's that working out for him?
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jmar wrote:
Let's face it guy's. Riding a two stroke gives you an excuse to be slow. Laughing
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Tell that to Broc Hepler .
jmar wrote:
How's that working out for him?
He's having fun and getting a degree last I heard.
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Tell that to Broc Hepler .
jmar wrote:
How's that working out for him?
He's having fun and getting a degree last I heard.
Exactly...tell him he's slow... how fast are you ?
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3/23/2011 8:57pm Edited Date/Time 3/23/2011 8:58pm
jmar wrote:
How's that working out for him?
He's having fun and getting a degree last I heard.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Exactly...tell him he's slow... how fast are you ?
I am not fast at all, but it's not my horn that's being tooted.

BTW: Brock is a very talented rider. But if he shows up at a AMA pro national or supercross on that two stroke, he's going to take a beating.
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i posted in another thread in here.

first local race of the season a couple of weeks ago. second largest class of the day was 125cc. largest class of the day was 250C which had 1/3 of it smokers.

So really don't care who believes or don't believe who is riding what where. Smokers are alive and well in the HS races around here, and well as long as my family can race our smokers it's all good.

we have 2 65's, 2 125's, 250, and 500 smokers we do have one thumper bike my wifes X, and many other thumpers in equipment they belong in. like our quads, tractors, skid loaders, trucks and the rest. They are much quieter and are tolerated when ran. Race turds are to loud. but that's another thread.
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Bandito121 wrote:
I'll debate that. I always loved the two strokes and hated the four stroke movement. I had my son racing 50's, 65's, 85's, 100's and 125's...
I'll debate that. I always loved the two strokes and hated the four stroke movement. I had my son racing 50's, 65's, 85's, 100's and 125's. I was always re ringing, or putting in new pistons or even doing cranks on those things. When he turned thirteen we switched to the four strokes and we are on our fourth one right now. I've never spent one dime on engine maintenance and never had one engine failure. Never have fouled a plug. Don't need to buy two stroke oil. Don't go trough clutches. I love the 4's now. My life is much easier. Keep the filters clean and change the oil regularly and no problems.
Usually the first 50-100 hrs are trouble free on a 4 stroke. After that they are ticking time bombs, that when they let go will cost you more than a years worth of top ends and cranks on the 2stroke. Most of the time, slower riders can get away with even more time than that.

I think both bikes have to potential to be really reliable, or money pits. For me, every 4 stroke I have ever owned has cost me alot more in parts than the bike was worth, so I will stick with a 2 stroke. Its more affordable to fix when it does let go.
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He's having fun and getting a degree last I heard.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
Exactly...tell him he's slow... how fast are you ?
jmar wrote:
I am not fast at all, but it's not my horn that's being tooted. BTW: Brock is a very talented rider. But if he shows up...
I am not fast at all, but it's not my horn that's being tooted.

BTW: Brock is a very talented rider. But if he shows up at a AMA pro national or supercross on that two stroke, he's going to take a beating.
Yeah but he's not slow Smile
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wardy wrote:
i posted in another thread in here. first local race of the season a couple of weeks ago. second largest class of the day was 125cc...
i posted in another thread in here.

first local race of the season a couple of weeks ago. second largest class of the day was 125cc. largest class of the day was 250C which had 1/3 of it smokers.

So really don't care who believes or don't believe who is riding what where. Smokers are alive and well in the HS races around here, and well as long as my family can race our smokers it's all good.

we have 2 65's, 2 125's, 250, and 500 smokers we do have one thumper bike my wifes X, and many other thumpers in equipment they belong in. like our quads, tractors, skid loaders, trucks and the rest. They are much quieter and are tolerated when ran. Race turds are to loud. but that's another thread.
So really don't care who believes or don't believe who is riding what where. Smokers are alive and well in the HS races around here, and well as long as my family can race our smokers it's all good.

And that's all good, and my best wishes to you and your family, and having a good time is what this sport should be about.

What it shouldn't be about is trying (not saying that you are but others do) to force pro level racing to ride the same bikes that families like yours ride every weekend.
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3/24/2011 8:59am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2011 9:01am
R-acer wrote:
Do they only [i]post[/i] here on Vital? Or do they actually ride their 2 strokes in a secret location? Or is it just a Cali thing...
Do they only post here on Vital? Or do they actually ride their 2 strokes in a secret location? Or is it just a Cali thing?

I don’t see many 2 stroke's on the track's around here in Ontario, at the tracks we run anyway (except for the 85's), so I figured with all the 2 stroke talk that takes place on here, I might be surrounded by them down south.

Well I just did a sweep of a whole bunch of tracks in Florida and Georgia over the last 2 weeks and all I saw was a shit load of 4 strokes, 250F's and 450F's from every brand, mostly Red and Green and allot of them were 2011 models!!
Bike sales can't be THAT bad...there are a shit load of new bikes out there.

I did see a young rider on a CR125 with his dad, who looked like he was just moving up from an 85, and I saw a vet rider on a 250, oh and a pretty quick kid on a ktm 144 that stayed together for the entire day, I was very surprised about that!
But other than that, I think the only 2 strokes I saw were 85's.
Most People in Florida and Georgia riding this time of year are probably super serious about the sport and have travelled south to tune up for the upcomming outdoor season. Therefore they probably have money to burn and they got to have the latest and greatest in technological advancements to offset poor riding abilities.
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Nutty C wrote:
Most People in Florida and Georgia riding this time of year are probably super serious about the sport and have travelled south to tune up for...
Most People in Florida and Georgia riding this time of year are probably super serious about the sport and have travelled south to tune up for the upcomming outdoor season. Therefore they probably have money to burn and they got to have the latest and greatest in technological advancements to offset poor riding abilities.
latest and greatest in technological advancements?
Then why don't the OEMs want the old 2-stroke technology to be raced equal cc?
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R-acer wrote:
Do they only [i]post[/i] here on Vital? Or do they actually ride their 2 strokes in a secret location? Or is it just a Cali thing...
Do they only post here on Vital? Or do they actually ride their 2 strokes in a secret location? Or is it just a Cali thing?

I don’t see many 2 stroke's on the track's around here in Ontario, at the tracks we run anyway (except for the 85's), so I figured with all the 2 stroke talk that takes place on here, I might be surrounded by them down south.

Well I just did a sweep of a whole bunch of tracks in Florida and Georgia over the last 2 weeks and all I saw was a shit load of 4 strokes, 250F's and 450F's from every brand, mostly Red and Green and allot of them were 2011 models!!
Bike sales can't be THAT bad...there are a shit load of new bikes out there.

I did see a young rider on a CR125 with his dad, who looked like he was just moving up from an 85, and I saw a vet rider on a 250, oh and a pretty quick kid on a ktm 144 that stayed together for the entire day, I was very surprised about that!
But other than that, I think the only 2 strokes I saw were 85's.
I just helped an up and coming B-class kid from outside Toronto source a 2011 150sx from Cali. Go out to some WNYRacing rounds or the Area 51 LL qualifier and you'll see him (and many other 2-strokes). They're out there.
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3/24/2011 11:10am Edited Date/Time 3/24/2011 11:12am
jmar wrote:
[i]So really don't care who believes or don't believe who is riding what where. Smokers are alive and well in the HS races around here, and...
So really don't care who believes or don't believe who is riding what where. Smokers are alive and well in the HS races around here, and well as long as my family can race our smokers it's all good.

And that's all good, and my best wishes to you and your family, and having a good time is what this sport should be about.

What it shouldn't be about is trying (not saying that you are but others do) to force pro level racing to ride the same bikes that families like yours ride every weekend.
Well my thinking runs similar to what Decoster states in his MXA interview:

WHAT TURNED SUZUKI AROUND??

In 1997, we got Jeremy McGrath. He came to the team very late, and the bike wasn’t very good. It needed some work, but Suzuki fought the changes we needed. We were still running the Showa conventional forks. I told them that we needed the stiffer upside-down forks, but they said that their test riders didn’t think so. I told them that their test riders weren’t hitting the kind of jumps that American Supercross riders were, and that the whole process of testing in Japan wasn’t rigorous enough to build a bike for an AMA Pro. Shockingly, Jeremy could have won the 1997 Championship. He had some issues with Steve Lamson at the Los Angeles Coliseum and a flat tire at Charlotte and, in the end, we only lost the Supercross Championship by seven points.

If left to their own decision making I think the Japanese OEM's, seeing how they don't seem to want to build 2 strokes anyway, would just slap together low end bikes; non-adjustable suspension, lower quality components, etc. Pretty much supply play bikes to the 2st market. Not anything a racer or seasoned rider would really want if given a choice. Hell the Chinese could supply that at a much reduced price point. I think with 2st/4st performance parity in the Pro classes we could see really good 2st designs continually evolve. It may only be from Euro suppliers like KTM and others (with homologation requirement changes) but who wouldn't want to see more machine diversity and teams in the mix.
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R-acer wrote:
Do they only [i]post[/i] here on Vital? Or do they actually ride their 2 strokes in a secret location? Or is it just a Cali thing...
Do they only post here on Vital? Or do they actually ride their 2 strokes in a secret location? Or is it just a Cali thing?

I don’t see many 2 stroke's on the track's around here in Ontario, at the tracks we run anyway (except for the 85's), so I figured with all the 2 stroke talk that takes place on here, I might be surrounded by them down south.

Well I just did a sweep of a whole bunch of tracks in Florida and Georgia over the last 2 weeks and all I saw was a shit load of 4 strokes, 250F's and 450F's from every brand, mostly Red and Green and allot of them were 2011 models!!
Bike sales can't be THAT bad...there are a shit load of new bikes out there.

I did see a young rider on a CR125 with his dad, who looked like he was just moving up from an 85, and I saw a vet rider on a 250, oh and a pretty quick kid on a ktm 144 that stayed together for the entire day, I was very surprised about that!
But other than that, I think the only 2 strokes I saw were 85's.
Nutty C wrote:
Most People in Florida and Georgia riding this time of year are probably super serious about the sport and have travelled south to tune up for...
Most People in Florida and Georgia riding this time of year are probably super serious about the sport and have travelled south to tune up for the upcomming outdoor season. Therefore they probably have money to burn and they got to have the latest and greatest in technological advancements to offset poor riding abilities.
I was just going to say the same thing. More then likely the guys who can pull Johnny out of school for a month and drive their $40k toy hauler 2000 miles and afford to blow off a months worth of work usually will have 3-4 new 4 stroke bikes.
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I don’t know about that, there were a ton of locals riding down south, but yes, there were also a shit load of Canadians.

It's not a big deal, I just had this vision in my head that there was this major 2 stroke revolution going on down south based on the way some people talk on here. So I was expecting to see them all over the place......but I can count on one hand how many I saw in 2 weeks.. That’s all. What I saw down south is about the same ratio as back here in Ontario.

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