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morning_stiffy 3/12/2011 8:41pm
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History shows that Stewart has a championship, Villopoto doesn't. History shows that Stewart is 3rd all-time in wins, Villopoto isn't. History shows that Lites and 450...
History shows that Stewart has a championship, Villopoto doesn't.

History shows that Stewart is 3rd all-time in wins, Villopoto isn't.

History shows that Lites and 450 championships combined, Stewart has Villopoto beat by a long shot.

That's what history shows.
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History also shows that Stewart has a perfect motocross season, and Villopoto has yet to finish one.
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Are you sure you aren't a Stewart fan? You sure fight like one.
You must study them alot to know how a Stewart fan would "fight" huh?

I'm pretty sure I know who I'm a fan of. Just because I'm defending Stewart against all these stupid posts people make about him doesn't mean that I'm a fan.

TC is my rider, sure, I like JS, but I like RV, and RD too.
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morning_stiffy 3/12/2011 8:46pm
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You're drunk aren't you. History shows that Stewart has 2 supercross championships and that he will finish his 7th supercross season this year...we hope. History shows...
You're drunk aren't you.

History shows that Stewart has 2 supercross championships and that he will finish his 7th supercross season this year...we hope.

History shows that Villopto has more MX lites championships than Stewart.

History shows that Villopoto had 1 supercross lites championship and 3 National MX lites championships, for a total of 4 championships in the lites/250f class. Stewart had 2 supercross lites championships, and 2 National MX lites championships, for a total of 4 championships in the lites/250f class.

History shows that Stewart won his first supercross championship in his 3rd year, and that Ryan Villopoto is the favorite to win his first this year, his third.

History also shows that Stewart crossed the white stripe at the end of the start straight first corner in about 10th, not last.

But don't let the facts get in the way of your FanBoy rant--please continue.
I'm not going to sit here and argue. History shows that JS is clearly a more dominant rider.

On top of all that, Stewart has a perfect motocross season, on a 450. RV has YET to finish one.

"About 10th." Why are you even speaking if you don't even know what position he crossed it in? I didn't say he crossed it in last, if you'd read my last post, it will show you that I said he was in LAST on the START STRAIGHT, and passed riders in the FIRST CORNER.
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eb313 3/12/2011 8:49pm
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morning_stiffy wrote:
History also shows that Stewart has a perfect motocross season, and Villopoto has yet to finish one.
eb313 wrote:
Are you sure you aren't a Stewart fan? You sure fight like one.
morning_stiffy wrote:
You must study them alot to know how a Stewart fan would "fight" huh? I'm pretty sure I know who I'm a fan of. Just because...
You must study them alot to know how a Stewart fan would "fight" huh?

I'm pretty sure I know who I'm a fan of. Just because I'm defending Stewart against all these stupid posts people make about him doesn't mean that I'm a fan.

TC is my rider, sure, I like JS, but I like RV, and RD too.
No studying necessary, you haven't been around here long enough to figure it out yet, you just can't get away from them.
Didn't mean to make you bunch your panties, sorry.
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pilotdude 3/12/2011 8:51pm
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morning_stiffy wrote:
I'm not going to sit here and argue. History shows that JS is clearly a more dominant rider. On top of all that, Stewart has a...
I'm not going to sit here and argue. History shows that JS is clearly a more dominant rider.

On top of all that, Stewart has a perfect motocross season, on a 450. RV has YET to finish one.

"About 10th." Why are you even speaking if you don't even know what position he crossed it in? I didn't say he crossed it in last, if you'd read my last post, it will show you that I said he was in LAST on the START STRAIGHT, and passed riders in the FIRST CORNER.
Got to give Stewart credit for that perfect season, especially since it was his one and only championship in the 450 class outdoors in 4 years, and he hasn't ridden one since.

OOOoooohhhh, so your "he went from last to 2nd" statement like a rash across Vital was just a figure of speech I take it? Got it, sorry, should have known.

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morning_stiffy 3/12/2011 8:55pm
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morning_stiffy wrote:
I'm not going to sit here and argue. History shows that JS is clearly a more dominant rider. On top of all that, Stewart has a...
I'm not going to sit here and argue. History shows that JS is clearly a more dominant rider.

On top of all that, Stewart has a perfect motocross season, on a 450. RV has YET to finish one.

"About 10th." Why are you even speaking if you don't even know what position he crossed it in? I didn't say he crossed it in last, if you'd read my last post, it will show you that I said he was in LAST on the START STRAIGHT, and passed riders in the FIRST CORNER.
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Got to give Stewart credit for that perfect season, especially since it was his one and only championship in the 450 class outdoors in 4 years...
Got to give Stewart credit for that perfect season, especially since it was his one and only championship in the 450 class outdoors in 4 years, and he hasn't ridden one since.

OOOoooohhhh, so your "he went from last to 2nd" statement like a rash across Vital was just a figure of speech I take it? Got it, sorry, should have known.
No, he DID go from last to second...

He was in last at one point, and in second at the end. Therefore, he technically DID go from LAST to SECOND...
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eb313 3/12/2011 8:55pm
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morning_stiffy wrote:
I'm not going to sit here and argue. History shows that JS is clearly a more dominant rider. On top of all that, Stewart has a...
I'm not going to sit here and argue. History shows that JS is clearly a more dominant rider.

On top of all that, Stewart has a perfect motocross season, on a 450. RV has YET to finish one.

"About 10th." Why are you even speaking if you don't even know what position he crossed it in? I didn't say he crossed it in last, if you'd read my last post, it will show you that I said he was in LAST on the START STRAIGHT, and passed riders in the FIRST CORNER.
pilotdude wrote:
Got to give Stewart credit for that perfect season, especially since it was his one and only championship in the 450 class outdoors in 4 years...
Got to give Stewart credit for that perfect season, especially since it was his one and only championship in the 450 class outdoors in 4 years, and he hasn't ridden one since.

OOOoooohhhh, so your "he went from last to 2nd" statement like a rash across Vital was just a figure of speech I take it? Got it, sorry, should have known.
They were all tied as the gate began to fall, but wait didn't James get to staging last?
noteethleroy 3/12/2011 8:58pm
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So who actually has come from dead last to 1st?

Hannah?
RJ?
Jeff Ward?
Bradshaw?

It had to have happened a couple times over the years, I remember bradshaw coming close but can't reember if he pulled it off
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noteethleroy wrote:
So who actually has come from dead last to 1st? Hannah? RJ? Jeff Ward? Bradshaw? It had to have happened a couple times over the years...
So who actually has come from dead last to 1st?

Hannah?
RJ?
Jeff Ward?
Bradshaw?

It had to have happened a couple times over the years, I remember bradshaw coming close but can't reember if he pulled it off
Define "dead last".

Dead last 2 feet out of the gate ( by a matter of inches )?

Dead last going into the first turn?

Dead last on lap 5?

And that's just the position. You could be "dead last" by 1 second or 5 minutes.


I declare this topic "dead" ... and Ralphie probably should have simply said JS came back after a poor / bad start.
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Karma 3/12/2011 9:19pm
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noteethleroy wrote:
So who actually has come from dead last to 1st? Hannah? RJ? Jeff Ward? Bradshaw? It had to have happened a couple times over the years...
So who actually has come from dead last to 1st?

Hannah?
RJ?
Jeff Ward?
Bradshaw?

It had to have happened a couple times over the years, I remember bradshaw coming close but can't reember if he pulled it off
James Stewart, crashed in first turn, 125 national, carved though 39 guys like butter. One of the Sickest things I have ever witnessed.
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I was watching Trey on the start...stewart got the jump on him and looked to have missed a gear and trey repassed him
going into the first turn.Trey was shown on the screen to be in 4th(both taking the inside line) and stewart was right behind him.Last place was something Ralph came up with to make stewart bigger than he really is.
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hairy 3/12/2011 11:27pm
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you know why I think there are so many Bubba haters ? It's not Bubba who winds them up, it's the Bubba cocksuckers who have no comprehension of reality. The guy has holeshot more races than he has won this year, in Indy he didn't holeshot but was 5th at turn two, 4th on lap two and still there, going nowhere, until Dungey clipped Reed's rear wheel and went down. RV killed em all last night but some dumb ape on here still claims he has never beaten JS7 straight up; the hate Bubba sadly gets from some quarters is a direct result of that. Wanna know what Bubba thought (from supercrossonline.com)

“I had a rough weekend last week and wasn’t able to ride the way I wanted to,” said Stewart. “I let my team down today. It’s not over. I’m so motivated right now and I have a bunch of guys behind me.”

Doesn't sound like Bubba himself felt he was exactly Mohammed Ali this week !
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pilotdude 3/13/2011 12:35am
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hairy wrote:
you know why I think there are so many Bubba haters ? It's not Bubba who winds them up, it's the Bubba cocksuckers who have no...
you know why I think there are so many Bubba haters ? It's not Bubba who winds them up, it's the Bubba cocksuckers who have no comprehension of reality. The guy has holeshot more races than he has won this year, in Indy he didn't holeshot but was 5th at turn two, 4th on lap two and still there, going nowhere, until Dungey clipped Reed's rear wheel and went down. RV killed em all last night but some dumb ape on here still claims he has never beaten JS7 straight up; the hate Bubba sadly gets from some quarters is a direct result of that. Wanna know what Bubba thought (from supercrossonline.com)

“I had a rough weekend last week and wasn’t able to ride the way I wanted to,” said Stewart. “I let my team down today. It’s not over. I’m so motivated right now and I have a bunch of guys behind me.”

Doesn't sound like Bubba himself felt he was exactly Mohammed Ali this week !
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Mr. G 3/13/2011 1:59am
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I think a lot of people here, me included, think Stewart is the fastest rider. But he can't seem to ride at that speed without making...
I think a lot of people here, me included, think Stewart is the fastest rider. But he can't seem to ride at that speed without making a shit ton of mistakes, so that kind of cancels out the whole "speed" thing a great deal yes?

At least that's what the points and history say, but whatever.
Speaking of that does it not seem that Stewarts MAIN advantage is outdoors. He seems to have this ability to hang it out really far that does not translate as well indoors as it does outdoors. Indoors it seems to get him into trouble but outdoors.......well he does get in trouble but he seems to have a bigger advantage. I probably shouldn't ask as it may be moot but it chaps my hide (what ever that means) that his advantage is missed for the most part. I could be totally wrong but that is what Im thinkin.
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funktree 3/13/2011 3:03am
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noteethleroy wrote:
So who actually has come from dead last to 1st? Hannah? RJ? Jeff Ward? Bradshaw? It had to have happened a couple times over the years...
So who actually has come from dead last to 1st?

Hannah?
RJ?
Jeff Ward?
Bradshaw?

It had to have happened a couple times over the years, I remember bradshaw coming close but can't reember if he pulled it off
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Define "dead last". Dead last 2 feet out of the gate ( by a matter of inches )? Dead last going into the first turn? Dead...
Define "dead last".

Dead last 2 feet out of the gate ( by a matter of inches )?

Dead last going into the first turn?

Dead last on lap 5?

And that's just the position. You could be "dead last" by 1 second or 5 minutes.


I declare this topic "dead" ... and Ralphie probably should have simply said JS came back after a poor / bad start.
Dead last seems pretty obvious, of course dead last doesn't mean 2 feet out of the gate, or into the first turn. I would count getting caught in the gate or tipping over in the first turn though. I doubt anyone has done it from dead last at lap 5 unless they were sandbagging at Loretta Lynn's.
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`ol Ger 3/13/2011 6:02am
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I was there - sat adjacent to the first turn. Stewart was about 9th over the holeshot line. If Ralphie said that Stewart was last at some point - that is the untruth....???????????? What gives with that fellow?

Will there be some sort of brown-nose award at the Banquet, and Ralphie is going for the hole-shot??????? (pardon the pun).

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pilotdude wrote:
Since Stewart crossed the white stripe around the first corner in about 10th, maybe you are the one who should shut up.
Um, yeah, uh, the race starts at the gate, not the "holeshot award stripe"



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jim598 3/13/2011 6:51am
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I am starting to think all speed employees are going to build up Stewart since he is a fellow employee with speedvison... Dave Dispain made me sick as does Ralph
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johnnyg 3/13/2011 6:55am
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He ran into the back of rv2, so i guess that makes rv2 second to last? js7= first looser!

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flarider 3/13/2011 6:57am
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johnnyg wrote:
He ran into the back of rv2, so i guess that makes rv2 second to last? js7= first looser!
what is a "first looser?"

First guy to need a belt?
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BogMasterR 3/13/2011 7:03am
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morning_stiffy wrote:
Did your dumbass NOT read the 2nd post? Jesus some people are such idiots. Whether you're kidding or not, its been said like 4 times in...
Did your dumbass NOT read the 2nd post?

Jesus some people are such idiots. Whether you're kidding or not, its been said like 4 times in the thread already, just shut up. Damn.
pilotdude wrote:
Since Stewart crossed the white stripe around the first corner in about 10th, maybe you are the one who should shut up.
morning_stiffy wrote:
Last time i checked the start straight was part of the race... And since he was in dead last on the start straight (which is part...
Last time i checked the start straight was part of the race... And since he was in dead last on the start straight (which is part of the race), he started in last.

Maybe you should think before you post...
In reality........he started at the same time as everyone else,when the gate dropped!
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It would have been an impressive statement if he had been dead last after the first lap and made it to 2nd by lap 20. Dead last going into the 1st corner means you are about 0.25 seconds behind 1st place. How long does it take Stewart to make up 0.25 seconds?
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flarider 3/13/2011 7:10am
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Void Main wrote:
It would have been an impressive statement if he had been dead last after the first lap and made it to 2nd by lap 20. Dead...
It would have been an impressive statement if he had been dead last after the first lap and made it to 2nd by lap 20. Dead last going into the 1st corner means you are about 0.25 seconds behind 1st place. How long does it take Stewart to make up 0.25 seconds?
More than 20 laps?
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Void Main 3/13/2011 7:14am
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Void Main wrote:
It would have been an impressive statement if he had been dead last after the first lap and made it to 2nd by lap 20. Dead...
It would have been an impressive statement if he had been dead last after the first lap and made it to 2nd by lap 20. Dead last going into the 1st corner means you are about 0.25 seconds behind 1st place. How long does it take Stewart to make up 0.25 seconds?
flarider wrote:
More than 20 laps?
Touche. Smile I guess on the flip side in addition to saying he went from last to 2nd you could say he lost 6.3 seconds to RV from that point which means RV averaged .32 seconds per lap faster than Stewart. Now THAT is impressive.
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Stupendous, Dr.

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pilotdude wrote:
Since Stewart crossed the white stripe around the first corner in about 10th, maybe you are the one who should shut up.
Pilot is back in his element. Tell me not so smart one- where does the race start, on a starting gate or some virtual holeshot line?
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gsxrcr28 3/13/2011 9:10am
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He is last going into the first corner, hugs the inside and is about 10th at the stripe. There is endless attention on James which is good for him, but what about RV that dude rode an amazing race also.
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noteethleroy wrote:
So who actually has come from dead last to 1st? Hannah? RJ? Jeff Ward? Bradshaw? It had to have happened a couple times over the years...
So who actually has come from dead last to 1st?

Hannah?
RJ?
Jeff Ward?
Bradshaw?

It had to have happened a couple times over the years, I remember bradshaw coming close but can't reember if he pulled it off
Karma wrote:
James Stewart, crashed in first turn, 125 national, carved though 39 guys like butter. One of the Sickest things I have ever witnessed.
I remember that race, he was like two turns behind everyone when he took off.
That was a 125 2 stroke riding clinic
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chrisbuehler 3/13/2011 9:37am
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Speaking of that does it not seem that Stewarts MAIN advantage is outdoors. He seems to have this ability to hang it out really far that...
Speaking of that does it not seem that Stewarts MAIN advantage is outdoors. He seems to have this ability to hang it out really far that does not translate as well indoors as it does outdoors. Indoors it seems to get him into trouble but outdoors.......well he does get in trouble but he seems to have a bigger advantage. I probably shouldn't ask as it may be moot but it chaps my hide (what ever that means) that his advantage is missed for the most part. I could be totally wrong but that is what Im thinkin.
Outdoors he has 35min if he gets a bad start. Any mistakes in a 15min sprint SX races and he's pretty much done. NOONE will touch him if he does the Nats
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rgmx-49 3/13/2011 9:55am
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Mr. G wrote:
Speaking of that does it not seem that Stewarts MAIN advantage is outdoors. He seems to have this ability to hang it out really far that...
Speaking of that does it not seem that Stewarts MAIN advantage is outdoors. He seems to have this ability to hang it out really far that does not translate as well indoors as it does outdoors. Indoors it seems to get him into trouble but outdoors.......well he does get in trouble but he seems to have a bigger advantage. I probably shouldn't ask as it may be moot but it chaps my hide (what ever that means) that his advantage is missed for the most part. I could be totally wrong but that is what Im thinkin.
chrisbuehler wrote:
Outdoors he has 35min if he gets a bad start. Any mistakes in a 15min sprint SX races and he's pretty much done. NOONE will touch...
Outdoors he has 35min if he gets a bad start. Any mistakes in a 15min sprint SX races and he's pretty much done. NOONE will touch him if he does the Nats
Who is "NOONE"?
remember last year, he couldn't run Dungey's pace.
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He is last going into the first corner, hugs the inside and is about 10th at the stripe. There is endless attention on James which is...
He is last going into the first corner, hugs the inside and is about 10th at the stripe. There is endless attention on James which is good for him, but what about RV that dude rode an amazing race also.
hell yeah like a champ! took an opportunity built as gap and then managednit till the end-

also as for outdoors james etc...a long time ago James sai night time is bubba time- until this year more guys have beat him outdoors than indoors. (If he stayed up). Now that the championship is slippinmg away to the washington native suddenly he's better outdoors etc. Outdoors hard work can pay dividnds aand talent will only et you soo far-

You know whos much better outdoors? Poto and hes put in a lot of hard work this off season-

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