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Oh well.......I for one , think the medics did a good job , and they let him go. It obviously didn't hinder him.....because he was flat out hauling ass after he got going again.
1. while he was sitting there going through the motions of starting his bike they (medics and daytona medics) all were talking looking at him. I think they did what they are to do. helping a little bit like that isn't an issue they are track officials just like flaggers. I have helped riders many times after a crash, while the whole time assessing if he is really hurt or not. It's not exact sience but it's what happens.
2. Before he enters the track, he looks down the track in front of that take off, watch the video he clearly looked then pulled out.
again I am not a big fan of this kid, but man give him the credit he deserves. He rode hard, and crashed and then rode hard some more as salvaged a finish. I may have to relook at my thoughts that he can't take a hit. he did and did well inspite of it.
by the way, for the guy who thinks james isn't able to put the rest of the races together and win out.................Oh i believe he is quite capable. I would rather see either of the red heads win the title but hey, once it's nice outside and daylight savings time kicks in around here..................... I won't be wasting time watching others ride, I will be rideing and playing instead of watching.
1. I am aware of the outside assistant rule that is why when I arrived on scene I had everyone step back. James picked his bike up off the side of the jump. It wasn't until he fell back that I caught the bike so that it would not fall on me. The reason we kept it up was to move it away from the track.
2. There is a saying is MX/SX that the crazier/higher speed crashes tend to produce less severe injuries. In my ten years of going to every single AMA MX/SX race I find this statement to be rather accurate. I did not see the fall and no one mentioned anything with regards to loss of consciousness. I didn't notice his visor being broken, chipped paint , scratches on his helmet that would indicate some type of head trauma. (it's not say he didn't) We take injuries and riders health very seriously, but you also have to remember this is a professional sport as such I will give a rider every opportunity to re-mount their bike and observe them doing so.
Everyone is quick to point how violent the crash was and how JS stumbled to his bike and fell again when trying to get back on. Did it occur to anyone that perhaps an additional increase in heart rate over the 80-90% max heat rate that they race at, sweat splatter/fogged up goggle lenses contributed to JS not seeing his fender jacked up causing him to kick it?
I pointed out all these things , but nobody even bothered to look at the video. It has nothing to do with a incident, it has everything to do with who was involved in the incident.
...and welcome to Vital! Fair warning, there may be a lot of BS slung around, just ignore it
Did you speak to James & was he coherent?
or is there to much noise to make that viable?
You guys do a great job looking after the riders safety.
Thank you very much for your insight on this matter.
Cheers Peter Kirkwood
can you imagine if you decided at that point he was hurt and needed to be looked at longer...............this thread would have exploded on page one.
medics put thier ass on the line to help riders in need. We have really good ones at our races and they do whats best for the rider.
yeah i think he was just winded
My only question was on whether or not this was outside assistance and as you explained clearly that is not the case.
I did notice as you mentioned that you waved off the folks there and didn't help james pick up the bike.
You guys do an excellent job out there.
Pit Row
The only good thing I can think about hoisting him back on the steed when his motor skills and balance were still impaired, is had you guys not assisted him, he might have rode back on the track thirty seconds later when guys were coming over the triple. We should all just be thankful this situation turned out as well as it did.
http://www.headinjury.com/sports.htm
https://youtu.be/dOP-tNBlX-8
He's one tough son of a b... who showed a LOT of heart on saturday night!
Try this, look at your watch. When Princess Ariel's hand leaves the big "12" and gets to the "3", that's fifteen seconds. It's a long time on a SX track.
They did help him up, but James then held the bike, got on, put in neutral, kickstarted, clutched it, put in gear and took off all on his own.
Prior to that he visually found his bike, approached it, lifted it up from a nearly upside down angle, all on his own.
It was when swinging his leg over, and not seeing his rear fender was vertical, his leg hit it and it knocked him off balance.
Would that act alone be unusual? Trying to mount a bike, not seeing the vertical rear fender, having it stop your leg in mid-swing and it knocking you off balance? That alone seems to be a normal reaction to an unexpected occurrence.
All that said, I was standing near there and watched it all in real time, without the benefit of a couch, Tivo, big screen TV, microscope or beer in hand, and while in the initial seconds of him falling on his butt, my reaction was "TKO, he's done" and I questioned his going back out, but that went away fairly quickly when he went through the whoops and easily jumped the finish line jump. I think that in a certain sense, he was on autopilot, and it took him about two laps to snap out of it fully. Is that really any different than a fighter getting clocked and stunned, but then rallies back to win? No, it isn't.
He took a good whack to the melon, no doubt, but like all of us who have really raced, we've all done that and soldiered on (just not going as fast)
I trust Casillas and the Asterisk crew. There is no partiality with them. A rider is a rider, top tier or bottom tier, just like a patient in a hospital, rich or poor, it's a human being and that is their primary concern.
The attack on him now going on goes back to the typical bullshit around here that people just love to attack anyone in the industry, rider, parent, manager and now medical staff, because it gives them "bigger dick syndrome" where they feel that they can just attack and shit on people they know nothing about, question motives without any supporting facts and then go back to their buddies, crack a beer, grab their dicks and say "I told that (insert rider, parent, manager, medical person) that he/she was full of shit....blah de fuckin blah blah"
Folks here say they want the truth, but when they get it, from the horses mouth, they want to argue it.
and again folks wonder why riders, teams, managers, parents and probably now medical personel not only avoid Vital and other forums, but laugh about them (and their members).
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Here is the official AMA incident report. Appears there is a response to all of this specific details on the bike being set back up for him..
AMA Daytona Incident Report 03062011
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