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This is brilliant. Feld and MX Sports will make more money.
Weege will look good on his pit walks wearing a Vest when he is working for Racer X.
The riders won't be burnt out by answering the same questions over and over.
I bet if you asked the top dogs they would agree with limiting media access.
But limiting content will not help 'grow the sport.'
Those things you listed are similar to the way they have been with MX and SX for years now. The proposed changes are much more restricting and add the element of paying where its been free for press credentials for reporting for a website like Vital or for the local news to run a clip to hype up the race that's coming to town.
Its dumb and they are going to be killing off a lot of publicity that they have gotten for free. All the random youtubers that have a following of 20 or 30k people are giving fans more info and more reasons to watch the full races. With all the content we have these days it keeps the hype for the next race building all week.
Twenty Three Media said all fan footage will be flagged by NBC next season
Where can I read this? I’m trying to find the part about fan footage? Like if you attend a baseball game and film it, or yoy attend a UFC fight and film a viral KO…you can post it on social media. It’s allowed as long as you aren’t trying to “reproduce a broadcast” or showing the ENTIRE GAME. But I’ve seen people record full Supercross races like Joeman
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This control is all about Feld/MX Sports bending over backwards to get a new NBC deal.
So they are cutting out the alternative media. It’s not even about money it’s about controlling the narrative and product.
But the REAL POINT I wanted to make is… I watched this happen to the UFC in 2015…. The NEXT YEAR they suddenly sold the company for 4.25 BILLION dollars. So NBC might just be the excuse they are using. From what I heard NBC is so happy with views and “video retention” and this is going on the 5th year being on Peacock….
Something big is coming for SMX and they are cuttting all loose ends. It’s a damn shame. Look at UFC without media pushing back, it’s almost completely dead. No superstars were created after the sale. They are following WWE new method of never allowing one person to become as big as the brand (Stone Cold, Hulk Hogan, Undertaker, etc) just like UFC they created mega hype for Ronda Rousey and Conor McGregor that will never be duplicated!. It was all for the sale of the company.
Exactly. NASCAR and INDYCAR are way stricter on what/who you can shoot and don’t even try to license the footage, it’s very pricey.
Why has NASCAR viewership declined so drastically?
1. Stupid Media Rules
2. A “playoff” series created for television, that the fan base despises, ie; SMX.
Like it or not, NASCAR is the biggest motorsport series. There is zero proof that their ratings (which are very high) declined due to their media rules. They’ve had strict rules since the beginning. If anything, they are easier now that every driver has a media guy.
Also, they don’t do the playoffs anymore, it’s back to a points chase.
No legit sport or series is just letting people show up with cameras and make their own content for free.
lol is all I have to say. If I was a race team owner that was funding this business venture for feld, I would find other sports to support. What a shit show.
Could be mistaken but didn’t I see GNCC is doing the same? Is MXSports next with there announcement? Can see the pay for Flo and then no media for LL next
I don't really know much about NASCAR or their revenue steam, but I believe they get a chunk of the TV coverage. The sponsors also get a bigger logo on the car than could be made on a bike so they probably pay more. Presumably the teams are making money.
Historically, SX was mostly funded by the OEMs to sell bikes. The OEMs are paying for the bikes and rider salaries etc. The more media content the better for them.
Isn't that fundamentally a different business model. Or do Ford Chevy etc pitch in money?
In recent times, energy drinks, insurance companies etc have been sponsors of the factory teams so the distinction is less clear, and one could argue the are transitioning to the NASCAR model. It still sounds like the OEMs pitch in the lions share. So maybe it becomes moot if team sponsors begin paying the majority of the costs and the OEMs don't, but right now it seems like the entire sport exists to sell bikes, and to do that they need media coverage as opposed to a controlled narrative.
This would probably be covered by the language associated with the ticket purchase plus any local stadium restrictions. Can’t see anyone going to the extreme of limiting fans in the stands from posting short video clips. Live streaming - yes. Short clips - I doubt it. Think also commercial vs non-commercial use.
NASCAR is a shadow of its former self.
And this referenced article that states precisely
that viewership “dipping to 2.45 million viewers per race across the 38-race slate in 2025 due to a heavily fragmented media rights distribution.”
They ruin their own social media presence because press won't post short videos from practice anymore on these platforms... Silver from the NBA always tells people that those "illegal" highlights and clips from dunks are just free advertising for the NBA. But clearly FELD is thinking something else.
You literally are proving my point. NASCAR at its lowest is about 5-10x ratings that SX. Supercross is usually in the low 6 figures for ratings. (I’m not denying the ratings haven’t dropped since the hay day but it’s not due to randos not being able to create content). In the hay day, only NASCAR Media Group video guys could shoot and they couldn’t leave the track with media, it got turned over to NASCAR immediately.
The fragmented media is referring to the different races being on different networks and streaming vs linear network TV. (FOX get some races, NBC, CW etc)
Don’t take my word for it, go apply for a media credential for NASCAR and tell them you want to stand next to the track and narrate it so you can post on social media and get back to us.
Again, no legit sport or race series lets you just show up and make your own content.
And maybe they should. Look at how Cleetus Mcfarland has impacted Nascar viewing and how they have been working with him and allowing him to use video.
His events allow just anybody to come and film them and make content. No live streaming , but he understands the value of all the channels hyping his races up and covering them. No other "legit" sport has a path for somebody to sign up and compete without having a team and millions of backing. Its been one of the great things about moto. And I personally love seeing the videos from Youtubers going to races.
It was interesting to see and hear what the C boys thought about a real race, and Grind hard plumbing. I've seen other youtubers go to races and record watching some of the racing. And it exposes new markets to the racing and highlights different elements of the racing. I always find it interesting what people that are not familiar with the sport notice and what stands out to them.
Normally Press day has a lot of local media there and historically its been used to hype up the races in the local markets. Local news channels are not going to spend $1k per minute to advertise for SX. Or waste money covering the sport at all. Instead of being in every local news paper and on the local news channels. Its all gone. Too big and no longer many of the things that make the sport great. And I get it nobody cares about those things.
What got F1 a serious bump? Was it extremely tight control of the press?? Or was it a Netflix show that highlighted just the right aspects of the sport and brough it to viewers who normally wouldn't have considered watching?
It all just sounds like a shift towards monster trucks , WWE style BS. And then again, it could also all be BS to keep certain press out and Feld will negotiate rates down to much more reasonable numbers for favored media. And if You don't cover it like they want, BOOM Your now paying out the ass for any footage or access.
“ It all just sounds like a shift towards monster trucks , WWE style BS. And then again, it could also all be BS to keep certain press out and Feld will negotiate rates down to much more reasonable numbers for favored media. And if You don't cover it like they want, BOOM Your now paying out the ass for any footage or access.”
This👆🏻. I couldn’t quote your wall of text……..
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any race series that institutes some imaginary "playoff" format basically screws the pooch....no fan likes it because it is a stupid concept. no different than the off season supercross races held in various parts of the world. if riders want the money let them go for it, but there is nothing important about these races.
i'd rather see an mxon effort than the current expanded areancross events
What's everyone thinking of all of this after the review show? I'm not really convinced, but was happy to hear that Editorial media should be safe.
It sucks that many people who have made a career out of shooting the spot will be getting the short end.
Ping's perspective for Whiskey Throttle at 10:35 here:
https://youtu.be/oHbrD7C1kLk?t=633
Another meeting pending apparently.
You all need to give the Pulp review a listen it will answer many of your concerns and you can now put the pitchforks away....
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..... and # 3. Stupid changes to the Rules and Point system in that Playoff Series !!!
Moogen Ken is not wrong !!!
This is going to impact youtube disproportionately. Which is where i watch a majority of content... and they can piss right off if they think im just going to watch their watered down A.i. driven drivel or their reviews. This is also going to impact instagram posts as well.. Which again is where i get various insights.
for me the information/ media comes from: Vitalmx - instagram - youtube..... I literally only ever go to racer x for the vault. I have not gone to supercrosslive for anything except maybe ticket's and that's for comparing prices.
Anyway what im trying to say is that this is going to fuck up the landscape outside of them. and thats going to cause a decrease in eyeballs furthermore. Also If they think they're going to capitalize on deegans youtube channel and get all of those followers to watch their drivel?!?..fuck no they wont. GenZ and younger have different watching patterns than I, and im a Millennial (1988).
TikToks and Youtube shorts is about to be like playing whack-a-mole for them to enforce their content "rules" also it isn't even their content. The riders are the show.
You obviously didn't listen to the Pulp Review pod.....In a nutshell it affects the people using content to sell a product that will have to pay the fees. Rider blogs, Pulp, Whiskey, Swap and others like them will be unchanged and will not have to pay for their passes. They also stated that they will limit the number of photogs on the floor and will have places for them in the first rows. I'm pretty sure you won't even notice a change and unfortunately it doesn't do anything to stop Kooksey the Klown and his merry band of FB content stealers like MXRyan, Dirtbike Lover and the latest to the content stealing crowd AMA Supercross live update (not sure why they haven't been shut down yet by Feld). So really the outrage is much ado about nothing....
I don't think its as cut and dry as that. Weigandt was making assumptions . Saying he didn't think some stuff would be impacted. It seems like a very gray policy. If the threshold is that the content is for making money, well that is everything. Pulp is not doing his show just for the good of the sport. Anybody doing it for a living is not doing it for free.
Until they have the bigger meeting and they explain how it will or will not impact certain people than I think its still not very clear what the exact policy will be.
I was thinking that it could have a lot to do with insurance and just limiting the number of people on the floor of a race in a stadium. I've loved how accessible a lot is in moto. How anybody who is good enough can sign up and race. How people can start a motocross media company from nothing like Pulp did, and how its not so elite and controlled. How its always kept a lot of the grassroots elements. I can understand policing who is allowed onto the floor of a supercross. But as long as they buy a ticket, what's wrong with allowing press to shoot from the stands? Is the little bit of money that vloggers might make off of that worth the loss of the exposer they give? I know that I've gotten a lot of friends and family to watch races because of photos and video I've taken at races. So even if 1 person is only bringing in 5 or 10 more people that are watching the streams or buying tickets to a live event, isn't that worth allowing the images to be taken and posted?
It seems crazy to think that anybody is making a giant amount of money off of posting a photo or even video clip alone without something being added to it. I know a few people who have made a living shooting moto. and its not as simple as posting a shot of Jett Lawrence with a link to a website and cashing giant checks like the example Steve used. You may get a really good shot here and there that will get a large amount of views. But even the best of the best photographers photos alone are not pulling in the views needed to generate income like Steve was suggesting. Anybody getting consistent levels of views that are high enough to be making decent money off of is adding some sort of value to the images or video , otherwise they would never get the volume of traffic needed to make good money off of people clicking links.
To me, it sounded like they were told they would be fine and nothing would change as far as what they do. And it may end up not being a big deal in the end, but I think its still too early to really know how the changes will really impact everything.
I don’t know man Weege and JT seemed pretty clear on it because they were at the meeting but Matthes, who wasn’t there for the meeting, was the one that was making assumptions he also said he didn’t care and had no issues if they were to require him to pay the fees. Weege did say it would not impact any rider race interviews or any videos that do that and won’t affect any of the main media players and that would include Vital. I do think what has happened is that whenever someone says we are making changes the rumor mill runs rampant and it just spins out of control with misinformation which is what I believe happened here until it was explained in the meeting they had last weekend. I expect that ML will give an update on it soon..
I'll have to relisten because . It did not sound like anything was really solid other than it not impacting the sites like Pulp and racer -x vital. But was less clear on vlogs.
A clear threshold of what would be impacted wasn't established . If somebody posting a photo with a website link would be charged. How is that different from somebody posting a Vlog with a link to buy merch of their own on it? If the threshold is the amount of editorial value added , who decides that? Will it be reasonable or used to penalize people who do not cover the races the way that the promoters want?
Can we download the rules already or did only the media who has been present for 2026 got one?
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