DV's take on James' setup at Atlanta

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Edited Date/Time 1/24/2012 10:30am
From http://www.lebigusa.com/interviews/la-chute-datlanta-par-dv.html

Le probleme de James : La base du probleme a Atlanta se trouve dans la Yamaha de Stewart. Je ne sais pas ce quils font avec mais cest du grand nimporte quoi. Il narrive pas aller droit, il fait des ecarts et des erreurs de partout, cest incroyable. Ses suspensions avant sont un morceau de bout de bois et derrire cest une pompe a velo.

James problem: In Atlanta the basic problem is Stewart's Yamaha. I don't know what they are working with, but it is nonsensical. He can't go straight, he is all over the place, he makes mistakes everywhere. It is incomprehensible. His front fork is hard as a 2x4 and his rear is like a bicycle pump.
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3/2/2011 1:53pm Edited Date/Time 3/2/2011 2:05pm
So Stewart likes it hard in the front and soft in the back?.. The 450 i got from Preston was like that.. So hard it would loose the front in soft corners.. Kinda looks like JS had the same problem in Atlanta
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3/2/2011 1:55pm
That's how he's always sets it up.

Ain't nothing new.
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3/2/2011 2:00pm
Yeah his bike has looked like that for a while but I kinda agree with DV in that it looks more so than past years...
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Josh Hill ran his forks stiff like that too, i get that it help you get through the whoops, but ya gotta turn too!

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ive noticed his forks hardly move . they gotta b stiff if i notice this with a dozen beers in me watching on a shitty tv in canada where speed isnt hd yet!
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Could also have something to do with what Ryan Hughes said about his lower body control of the bike.

But yeah, Stewart has always run his forks super stiff compared to the rear shock, or compared to a road bike with no suspension. Guess he would rather be able to jump the big jumps than get through the rough sections in control. The thing is, just like with a road car, the stiffer the suspension the harder you can drive it. But this setup is usually only effective on the track where it is super smooth. On the street, a stiffer setup many times results in slower times due to the rough surface. This is part of what makes the Nissan GTR so quick in rough roads, and why Ferrari made the suspension adjustment independent of traction control so it could run soft suspension even in race mode. And also why your cousin's dropped Civic with 1/2 inch of suspension drives like such a piece of crap.

On soft surfaces like Atlanta, bumps form mid corner and can upset the trajectory of the front wheel if the forks can't absorb mid-corner bumps.
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Had the same issue on the Kawi but seemed to find a happy medium. And reading the susp tech left along with LB I'm wondering if he will get it fixed.
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IceMan446 wrote:
Had the same issue on the Kawi but seemed to find a happy medium. And reading the susp tech left along with LB I'm wondering if...
Had the same issue on the Kawi but seemed to find a happy medium. And reading the susp tech left along with LB I'm wondering if he will get it fixed.
Whats to fix? he's super fast and winning races right? It seems to me he looks damn good and that means the bike is not a problemSmile
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3/2/2011 3:11pm
And people also used to make fun of RC's bike setup...while he was still killing it in the results.

You may have to hold your breath while watching, but you watch.
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3/2/2011 3:18pm
As a rule, Yamahas are hard to turn even when the rear end stays up and the front end dives into a steeper rake. Can't imagine how hard they are to turn in a reverse squat. Of course, that's a relatively stock Yamaha.
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Yeah ,Yeah and who was it that was in here a few months ago saying that the Yamaha 450 had a design flaw so it could not hook up on starts, But now that James has been getting the holeshot or up in the top three on the starts you don't hear about the "design Flaw" anymore.
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3/2/2011 3:53pm
When stewart wins , the bike is great, when he does' nt , the bike is the problem LOL!
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mxb2 wrote:
When stewart wins , the bike is great, when he does' nt , the bike is the problem LOL!
No shit! Exactly..
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3/2/2011 4:39pm
GuyB wrote:
And people also used to make fun of RC's bike setup...while he was still killing it in the results. You may have to hold your breath...
And people also used to make fun of RC's bike setup...while he was still killing it in the results.

You may have to hold your breath while watching, but you watch.
`zactly,


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exsarg wrote:
ive noticed his forks hardly move . they gotta b stiff if i notice this with a dozen beers in me watching on a shitty tv...
ive noticed his forks hardly move . they gotta b stiff if i notice this with a dozen beers in me watching on a shitty tv in canada where speed isnt hd yet!
Speed Is in HD here in Canada, what are you talking about..
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Hey what does a multi-time champion know, he must have won by pure luck!
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He needs to unlock his hips.......And STAT
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mxb2 wrote:
When stewart wins , the bike is great, when he does' nt , the bike is the problem LOL!
raddad wrote:
No shit! Exactly..
that souns more like speedy......when stewart doesn't win, he's crashed
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This week things will change.
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I would think that DV, as a guy who has competed at the highest level, can spot when something isn't right. Like James making a lot more mistake than he used to make (can't go straight, is all over the place...)
So you either blame James riding skills, or you blame the setup. If it is the setup, then more power to James for still being up to speed with a bike he has to fight.
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Hey lostboy819, why do you have a Austin Stroupe as your avatar?
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Wadded_Up wrote:
Hey lostboy819, why do you have a Austin Stroupe as your avatar?
"That's J-Law" - Lostboy819

As far as set up....I think all riders have different preferences with which they are comfortable, some of which may seem odd to most of us (this) weekend warrior(s).
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IceMan446 wrote:
Had the same issue on the Kawi but seemed to find a happy medium. And reading the susp tech left along with LB I'm wondering if...
Had the same issue on the Kawi but seemed to find a happy medium. And reading the susp tech left along with LB I'm wondering if he will get it fixed.
This is true, JS looked way better on the Kawi, it just suited his style better, i miss the days when he used to hang it out and still make it look good, now when he tries to do it on the Yami, he just seems to completely lose control and makes heaps of mistakes. IMO
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winning or not his bike looks horrible........never was one to say different, he makes more mistakes per lap than any of the other top guys........you can visually see he fights the bike everywhere but the whoops and one of these times its gonna cost him........you only get a certain amt of near misses before the big one comes and everyone who rides or races knows this
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3/2/2011 7:00pm Edited Date/Time 3/2/2011 7:01pm
I remember when james tested the new YZF450 on Bubba's world, he was complaining that the front end felt too low. I once felt the same way about my mountain bike/front fork set up, so I put more psi in my fork to keep it diving in the corners and to keep the front end up high as possible. Also, someone mentioned how light the front end of the new Yami's are, which would be a contributing factor why his front end is always sliding out (combined with the two 2X4's on the front).

I've thought about making a new thread about this, but I think James will ditch the YZF450 next.
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Wadded_Up wrote:
Hey lostboy819, why do you have a Austin Stroupe as your avatar?
Spahnzuki wrote:
"That's J-Law" - Lostboy819 As far as set up....I think all riders have different preferences with which they are comfortable, some of which may seem odd...
"That's J-Law" - Lostboy819

As far as set up....I think all riders have different preferences with which they are comfortable, some of which may seem odd to most of us (this) weekend warrior(s).
Ahhhhhh I see it now.....thanks..................
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Maybe DV wants in on Larrys job .....jk
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3/2/2011 7:05pm Edited Date/Time 3/2/2011 7:05pm
To this day I feel that Stewart looked the fastest in 2007. I think even Reed said in an interview that Stewart was untouchable in 2007 and to this day that was his fastest year.

He definitely looked better on the KX-F (imo).

The YZ-F to Stewart is the KX-F to Reed... Wink
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3/2/2011 8:28pm
IceMan446 wrote:
Had the same issue on the Kawi but seemed to find a happy medium. And reading the susp tech left along with LB I'm wondering if...
Had the same issue on the Kawi but seemed to find a happy medium. And reading the susp tech left along with LB I'm wondering if he will get it fixed.
raddad wrote:
Whats to fix? he's super fast and winning races right? It seems to me he looks damn good and that means the bike is not a...
Whats to fix? he's super fast and winning races right? It seems to me he looks damn good and that means the bike is not a problemSmile
You can tell he isn't 100 percent comfortable on the thing. That will take time especially trying to find a setup that works well for him. On the Kawi he found that and look what he could do. Ride Crazyballs like Matthes would say and not have any issues. Do I think he can get the Yamaha set up like that, sure. Hopefully he does soon so we can see some of the finest riding you have ever witnessed.
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3/2/2011 8:53pm Edited Date/Time 3/2/2011 9:11pm
Wadded_Up wrote:
Hey lostboy819, why do you have a Austin Stroupe as your avatar?
Woohoo

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