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Iran has been sanctioned for 47 years and the government hasn't collapsed, why do you think this time will be any different?
Iran has never been sanctioned or isolated like this before. Watch the news and see what secretary Bessent is doing to their economy. They have been shut off from their access to money. Rampant inflation, can't pay their soldiers, any military moves they make are soundly defeated. Doesn't matter how much you hate President Trump or the US, this strategy will prove to be effective. The collapse of Iran is imminent. The world will be a better place.
"Watch the news"
Are you referring to Fox News or Newsmax, who only provide one side's perspective?
Groundnews. News from every perspective. I do my best to not allow a one sided viewpoint, groundnews allows for this. After looking at all the news sources it doesn't take long to figure out who has credibility.
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Groundnews has been criticized for using false equivalency in their ratings methodology...
Is Ground News a Right Wing Psy OP
Try reading news from countries near Iran, like Turkey, Pakistan, India, Qatar, they aren't trying to push a Republican or Democratic agenda.
I don't care about their rating system, the articles are there for all to read. From the looney left to the radical right.
I don't have that much time or interest in going to Iran or Turkey's country to look for news. All of the countries you mentioned have their own biases whether those biases are left or right determines if they align with the democrat or republican party. Most countries will be biased against America from the foreign articles I have read, I get all the diversity I need from groundnews. My only interest with Iran is how quickly they fall and with Turkey, whether or not America authorizes them to purchase F35's. Hope not.
Regardless, Iran needed to be dealt with. The rest of the world just watched and waited for them to have a nuclear bomb. President Trump had the courage to finally do something about it. The world should be thanking him, including you.
Pretty bold post by the President. If I had made a post like this I’d bet anything there would be folks in here screaming about stolen valor. Instead I suppose I’ll be met with something about having TDS and he’s just trolling. I digress?
https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/trump-fantasizes-about-himself-as-decorated-general-alongside-patton-and-macarthur-in-bonkers-ai-image/
These are all the same things they said about Iraq. The US military went in and crushed them with little loss. Why you think it would be different in Iran, that is far weaker than Iraq was at the time, doesn't make sense. It's obvious you hate America but one thing you can't argue with is America's military being astonishingly powerful and well run.
Not sure that makes sense given the last 75 years. Things only feel new if it's new to us, but we've been in basically the same war for 75 years. Thats why Trump was originally against another forever war and that did well for him in the polls, swing voters were tired of it. They ignored all the other flops, but they're not ignoring this one.
Who are these “resident IRGC/pro-Iran cheerleaders” you are referring to?
Either you love bombing schools and civilian infrastructure or you support terrorism, duh!
"Why you think it would be different in Iran"
Iraq has flat open terrain, making fast overland travel possible, enabling the US's "left hook" which out maneuver the Iraqi army. Iran has mountainous terrain, restricting possible routes, reducing maneuverability, which makes it ideal for ambushing advancing troops.
The US "owned the night" during the Iraq war, Iran has night vision sourced from China and Russia.
Iraq had little intelligence on US troop positions, and few ways to target them, Iran has it's own satellites, access to Chinese and Russian intel and has shown they can target them with drones and missiles.
During the Iraq war Abrams tanks were superior to Iraqi tanks, but vulnerable to RPGs and IEDs, the Ukraine war has shown Abrams tanks are also vulnerable to drone attacks.
I could go on, but I doubt you care, hooah.
All of things you have stated have already been considered by the US military. With the US military recognizing what you have brought up as well as things you have not, the military would make the necessary changes to tactics to nullify any perceived advantage the Iranians nay have. If the American military needed to wage a ground campaign they would absolutely crush the Iranians. The Americans have complete and unopposed control of the air. Try to move troops or armor without any air support. Like I said, they will be crushed.
You seem to be hoping for a quagmire for the US troops. Do you in fact support the current murderous regime in Iran, Sure seems like it.
Regardless, there will be no ground campaign, it will not be necessary. The Iranian regime will collapse upon itself.
They’re just pushing their own agenda. Like most western news outlets.
I don't hope for a quagmire for US troops, I hope the US walks away from this, and lets the Iranian people decide their own fate, without outside interference.
"Like most western news outlets"
Which western outlet do you think is not pushing their own agenda?
Yup. That is what it has come down to.
Ground news does not have a news broadcast. It's a news aggregator like Drudge kind of used to be. I don't need their opinion on bias. The closest thing to an unbiased news source I have ever seen is C-SPAN. Me and twelve other people used to watch it. I don't have a way to watch it now.
I actually quit watching the news.
I either let the Vital experts form my opinion on what’s going on. Joking aside, I read my sons emails “VERY CAREFULLY”…..
I don’t trust any news outlet at the end of the day. Reporting on, isn’t live coverage.
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Can't remember who it was, but some "expert" went on a rant some weeks ago about "air superiority" and what a fake concept it This was some "leading journalist" which tells you the level of awareness and knowledge the fools on TV possess.
Like YOU, bogan.
In short, the side that has air superiority calls the shots. Many, MANY examples in history going back to WW1,
Probably THE most vicious example was the "Falaise Pocket" after the Normandy landings on 6 June 1944. Read up on it, the USAAF and RAF had absolute control of the skies, and slaughtered the retreating German armies in the area of Falaise. Horrific to read about, I'm not going to regurgitate any statistics or stories. Look it up.
Same with D-Day itself, the Allied air forces kept the Luftwaffe away from the kanding beaches, if I remember right the Luftwaffe flew two? sorties over the beaches all day. Or only two got back, rather -- everything else was shot won. Again, look it up, I'm talking off my top of my head....not out my ass 🤣
Like that TV muppet, YOU -- yes YOU, bogan -- clearly understand or know FUCKALL about anything military.
Your U-boob talking points are valid to some extent, but do you clearly don't understand that there's two sides to the story. The same terrain that will impede an attacking force in Iran, will bog down the defenders, especially when the attacker has air superiority.
Drones? Yes, definitely a factor.... for one or two rounds. When a large air force loiters overhead 24/7, you'll only get off 2 or 3 drones before they locate you and wipe you out.
Yes, drones have changed tactics like tank attacks, even infantry, but it's still a technology war, and guess which side dominates that?
Iran has only 3 or 4 ports to import ANYTHING. No planes in and out with US air superiority, the mountainous terrain make railways impossible and/or extremely vulnerable. The what? 1/3? 2/3? (look it up) of their FOOD they can't produce and must import, is a critical choke point.
Point being, a sophisticated military that is serious about fucking Iran up, will have little difficulty in shutting the country down.
While blowing up rocket launchers and patrol boats make for great TV clips, destroying power stations and desal plants and Kharg island -- and all the huge bridges, needed to traverse the same mountainous terrain -- is the way you shut Iran down in a month flat.
Trump and The Gang don't seem very serious about doing that, so.... lots of pyrotechnics and, of course, BLABLABLABLABLABLA....
Sometimes, "making a fantastic deal" is not the way to go. If Trump was serious about this "war' it would have been over months ago. And he wouldn't blab on TV about what the US military is going to do next.
For the record -- everyday Iranians aren't the enemy, it's the goatfuckers who run the place -- IRGC. and Co.
According to the Pentagon, "Air Superiority" was achieved 6 months ago...
It has not stopped Iranian drones, ballistic missiles, or fast attack boats hitting targets.
Well then, Afghanistan should have been a cake walk. What went wrong there?
Tariffs hurt the USA. When a tariff is imposed it raises the cost the WE pay. The other side effect is, using steel as an example, if Tariffs for imported steel goes up 50% the US steel market raises their prices 40%. And who pays this? we do. I build consumables for steel mills and material for 1 item in January was $5200, now it is $8400. Guess what, its domestic steel. The steel mills in the US are making record profits because of tariffs. And then stop and think about that majority of steel mills in the US are foreign owned. All I ask is are tariffs really working or are they hurting us. I believe from my experence they are hurting us.
The amount of missiles, drones, and fast attack boats has been decimated. Air superiority doesn't mean zero enemy air activity. They are able to launch a few here or there but as an offensive force they are done. Of course a few will get through but overall the number of attacks have been minimal compared to the beginning of the war. This is obvious, i'm not sure why you would make a statement that is so wildly misleading. The attacks will not stop completely until the country capitulates. I would expect this will all be over in the next 6 months.
These misleading statements you are making are the tactics Fox, CNN and MSNBC use.
Why do you believe that the Iranian citizens can rise up and remove the current murderous regime? The citizens in Iran have made it clear they want freedom and removal of the current regime. Unfortunately, the last time the citizens rose up, unsupported by outside influence, the Iranian regime murdered an estimated 30 to 40 thousand of it's own citizens. The Iranian citizens want this opportunity for freedom and prosperity just as the Venezulan citizens wanted the help. Damn shame the rest of the world will not join and support President Trump in trying to make the world a better place for people. Hard to understand how people like you will not support freedom for the Iranian people and the end of the Iranian regime. The biggest supporter of terrorism in the world.
That is exactly what you are doing with your ridiculous position, supporting the continuing terrorist regime in Iran. It appears you would have stood by and allowed or even supported Iran obtaining a nuclear bomb. Do you hate the US and lsrael that much that you would have been OK with Iran obtaining a nuclear bomb?
General question: under what terms & conditions would this campaign be labeled a success? Gantry’s post suggests nothing less than an overthrow of the regime. Others only want agreements to contain nuclear development, regardless of who is in charge. I’m curious what the contributors to this post think in regards to a successful outcome.
Removing Iran's legitimacy behind mass-casualty threats against the US and it's allies. Not just short-term for the next administration to deal with, but long-term. To be clear though, the expectation is not utopia in the Middle East.
Thanks for the input. If you would, please define “mass casualty” so we understand the scope of the threat.
Your question would have to be for the proponents of this war. For those of us that were and are against it, that is the point. There is no way to label this a success. That's why I am against it. Trump went into this thinking we drop a few bombs, shoot a few people and Iran would curl up in to a fetal position like Venezuela did. That does not appear to be happening and no serious person ever thought it would. The only way this works out now is for the Iranian people to finish what we started. Had we backed them when Trump promised we would, it might have happened then. I would have been all for that. So Sorry, LL, I have no answers for your question.
Depends on whose yardstick we're using. To that core group where he can do no wrong, then it's all wins all around. To everyone else, we've been losing for decades of varying degrees.
'Trump went into this thinking we drop a few bombs, shoot a few people and Iran would curl up in to a fetal position like Venezuela did."
He did? That's what he was thinking? How do you now what he was thinking? Actually he was quite clear that his objective was to destroy Iran's ability to manufacture a nuclear weapon.
"There is no way to label this a success." it is already a success. The ability for Iran to manufacture a nuclear weapon has been severely curtailed. The mass amount of their rockets have been destroyed. They have lost most of the support or tolerance they once had with the rest of the middle east nations. They are being squeezed so tight they no longer have the financial ability to support their terror proxies Hamas, the Houthis, Hezbollah, etc. The iranian nation is heading for total collapse, what a great day that will be for America, Israel, and the world. Within 6 months this thing is over.
"Had we backed them when Trump promised we would, it might have happened then. I would have been all for that."
I don't believe you would have backed President Trump then, now, or in the future.
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