Chase sexton ghost ride bike in kawi pits hitting Marchbanks

Sandberm656 wrote:

And it was at this point in the multi page thread where I went looking for the Stop Notifications tab.... 😑

Dirty Points wrote:

If Chase nearly hit Garrett with his bike during his little huff, and Keir decided Garret was the one who needed his behavior adjusted rather than...

If Chase nearly hit Garrett with his bike during his little huff, and Keir decided Garret was the one who needed his behavior adjusted rather than his own son, you really don't need to look much further to understand the dynamic at play.

The Wolf Man wrote:

It's disgraceful that most of the moto 'media' don't actually report anything. It's completely unacceptable. As mentioned earlier, they all say they know what happened, that...

It's disgraceful that most of the moto 'media' don't actually report anything. It's completely unacceptable. As mentioned earlier, they all say they know what happened, that someone told them 'exactly' what happened and yet never tell the public. Are they 'bros' or media? Clearly bros. The exception in this particular case is Weege. He said on the Racer X podcast that he heard it wasn't a ghostride so much as a not putting the bike on the stand and letting it drop to the ground. 

As for Chase's dad. He was lucky Marchbanks didn't drop him...

cappelmans wrote:

Oh come on, I like Weege, he’s great but hes also very much ‘broto media’. Just view one episode of the Weege show.

3strokemx wrote:

I think you're missing context about the "Contractors", there are only 8-10 in the world that can do the job you want, and most of them...

I think you're missing context about the "Contractors", there are only 8-10 in the world that can do the job you want, and most of them are already contracted somewhere else.  If your job is known as the worst one available, then even if you're lucky enough to hire a contractor, it's going to cost a lot more.

3strokemx wrote:

I think you're missing context about the "Contractors", there are only 8-10 in the world that can do the job you want, and most of them...

I think you're missing context about the "Contractors", there are only 8-10 in the world that can do the job you want, and most of them are already contracted somewhere else.  If your job is known as the worst one available, then even if you're lucky enough to hire a contractor, it's going to cost a lot more.

RDnutz wrote:

not sure I understand your point, but there is a list of experienced racers without contracts for next year posted here somewhere. Guys like Mookie and...

not sure I understand your point, but there is a list of experienced racers without contracts for next year posted here somewhere. Guys like Mookie and a couple others that are steady 5-10 racers each week and occasional podium. No worse than Barcia, Ferrandis, and the other guys riding Triumph, Beta, etc. 

Keep in mind the new KX450 drops for next year and supposedly has many or all the changes and fixes people said were needed. Plenty of the unsigned riders would jump at the chance to ride it and if I was Chase I would just lay low and ride the new bike before trying to force an exit- but that's just me.

DonM wrote:

I’m not suggesting that Chase is giving them an ultimatum at all and I doubt he is…Just saying if nothing changes it will not get better...

I’m not suggesting that Chase is giving them an ultimatum at all and I doubt he is…Just saying if nothing changes it will not get better and these morans have already had one top tier rider walk because of their inability to get the bike where it needs to be and to have another one do the same will put this team in a position that nobody will want to ride for them

RDnutz wrote:

I didn't say you did. You suggested Changing MANAGEMENT to resolve a RIDER problem on the team for a 2nd year in a row. A contract...

I didn't say you did. You suggested Changing MANAGEMENT to resolve a RIDER problem on the team for a 2nd year in a row. A contract is a contract is a contract. BOTH parties willing agreed to this contract with their own obligations spelled out. Kawi would be totally within their rights to make Chase honor his obligation under contract here.

DonM wrote:

I’m not suggesting that Chase is giving them an ultimatum at all and I doubt he is…Just saying if nothing changes it will not get better...

I’m not suggesting that Chase is giving them an ultimatum at all and I doubt he is…Just saying if nothing changes it will not get better and these morans have already had one top tier rider walk because of their inability to get the bike where it needs to be and to have another one do the same will put this team in a position that nobody will want to ride for them

RDnutz wrote:

I didn't say you did. You suggested Changing MANAGEMENT to resolve a RIDER problem on the team for a 2nd year in a row. A contract...

I didn't say you did. You suggested Changing MANAGEMENT to resolve a RIDER problem on the team for a 2nd year in a row. A contract is a contract is a contract. BOTH parties willing agreed to this contract with their own obligations spelled out. Kawi would be totally within their rights to make Chase honor his obligation under contract here.

DonM wrote:

Well this management team did choose the last two riders….It’s not a rider problem…

RDnutz wrote:

I didn't say you did. You suggested Changing MANAGEMENT to resolve a RIDER problem on the team for a 2nd year in a row. A contract...

I didn't say you did. You suggested Changing MANAGEMENT to resolve a RIDER problem on the team for a 2nd year in a row. A contract is a contract is a contract. BOTH parties willing agreed to this contract with their own obligations spelled out. Kawi would be totally within their rights to make Chase honor his obligation under contract here.

DonM wrote:

Well this management team did choose the last two riders….It’s not a rider problem…

ando wrote:

It is a rider problem… AND a team management problem.

RDnutz wrote:

I didn't say you did. You suggested Changing MANAGEMENT to resolve a RIDER problem on the team for a 2nd year in a row. A contract...

I didn't say you did. You suggested Changing MANAGEMENT to resolve a RIDER problem on the team for a 2nd year in a row. A contract is a contract is a contract. BOTH parties willing agreed to this contract with their own obligations spelled out. Kawi would be totally within their rights to make Chase honor his obligation under contract here.

LouisianaMotocross wrote:

If you have many employees saying the same thing, you at least look at your management to see if improvements can be made. You can’t put...

If you have many employees saying the same thing, you at least look at your management to see if improvements can be made. You can’t put your head in the sand and not evaluate everyone because they are management. That’s crazy talk. 

RDnutz wrote:

I don't know if there are "many" employees saying the same thing, but even if there was, it's irrelevant. Riders are independent contractors and beyond their...

I don't know if there are "many" employees saying the same thing, but even if there was, it's irrelevant. Riders are independent contractors and beyond their contract terms they have no say in how a company runs the business. This is not like a union here where employees can file grievances, etc. You better hope it never comes to that, or the sport is ruined the same way MLB, NFL, etc. are subject to work stoppages, strikes, etc. You think Feld would ever go for that? Be careful what you advocate for here...

racinstation wrote:

I remember seeing this same statement over and over regarding Suzuki and Roczen.     It is always surprising what a positive atmosphere, testing, and a team...

I remember seeing this same statement over and over regarding Suzuki and Roczen.     

It is always surprising what a positive atmosphere, testing, and a team that gels can do to "fix" a bike.

Renner153 wrote:

Yeah, but if you dont have the right people to make the team gel, you wont get HEP results. Hence why Kawi is about to lose...

Yeah, but if you dont have the right people to make the team gel, you wont get HEP results. Hence why Kawi is about to lose more riders in two years than they have won races.

Kenny Banyan wrote:

You put Jett and Hunter at Kawi and they would be kick’n butt and Chase at Honda, he would still be washing and tucking the frontend...

You put Jett and Hunter at Kawi and they would be kick’n butt and Chase at Honda, he would still be washing and tucking the frontend and talking trash on Honda. And people would say Team Honda was a trash team as well as the bike. 

DonM wrote:

Well this management team did choose the last two riders….It’s not a rider problem…

ando wrote:

It is a rider problem… AND a team management problem.

DonM wrote:

Ultimately they chose problem riders….As everyone has overstated on here, Chase has had issues everywhere he’s been…Kawi knew that going in and their management has shown...

Ultimately they chose problem riders….As everyone has overstated on here, Chase has had issues everywhere he’s been…Kawi knew that going in and their management has shown that they were less capable than the other teams in handling it….I mean one of them literally ran the IJSBA into the ground before he left for Monster….

ando wrote:

It is a rider problem… AND a team management problem.

DonM wrote:

Ultimately they chose problem riders….As everyone has overstated on here, Chase has had issues everywhere he’s been…Kawi knew that going in and their management has shown...

Ultimately they chose problem riders….As everyone has overstated on here, Chase has had issues everywhere he’s been…Kawi knew that going in and their management has shown that they were less capable than the other teams in handling it….I mean one of them literally ran the IJSBA into the ground before he left for Monster….

ando wrote:

I agree with you (although I’ve got no idea what your last sentence means!).In any case both Chase and Kawi are both in highly undesirable positions...

I agree with you (although I’ve got no idea what your last sentence means!).

In any case both Chase and Kawi are both in highly undesirable positions with not many appealing options.  

If Chase leaves without turning this around his market value will tank and his only possible chance of another factory ride is if Star throws him a lifeline but it won’t be on favourable terms to Chase.

Also if Chase leaves no serious title contending rider is going to touch them for the foreseeable future unless they make some radical changes.

Or they both grin and bear it for the next two years with poor results and a lot of wasted money.

Probably the least damaging option is Chase stays, Kawi has a management clean out, and gets a manager that is able to take a no nonsense approach with Chase and gets him back on an even keel.

LouisianaMotocross wrote:

If you have many employees saying the same thing, you at least look at your management to see if improvements can be made. You can’t put...

If you have many employees saying the same thing, you at least look at your management to see if improvements can be made. You can’t put your head in the sand and not evaluate everyone because they are management. That’s crazy talk. 

RDnutz wrote:

I don't know if there are "many" employees saying the same thing, but even if there was, it's irrelevant. Riders are independent contractors and beyond their...

I don't know if there are "many" employees saying the same thing, but even if there was, it's irrelevant. Riders are independent contractors and beyond their contract terms they have no say in how a company runs the business. This is not like a union here where employees can file grievances, etc. You better hope it never comes to that, or the sport is ruined the same way MLB, NFL, etc. are subject to work stoppages, strikes, etc. You think Feld would ever go for that? Be careful what you advocate for here...

ando wrote:

I had a long response written out but something went wrong and I lost it so I’ll shorten it to this:How many times does this need...

I had a long response written out but something went wrong and I lost it so I’ll shorten it to this:

How many times does this need to happen before the team owners stop looking at the riders and start looking at the management?

RDnutz wrote:

I don't know if there are "many" employees saying the same thing, but even if there was, it's irrelevant. Riders are independent contractors and beyond their...

I don't know if there are "many" employees saying the same thing, but even if there was, it's irrelevant. Riders are independent contractors and beyond their contract terms they have no say in how a company runs the business. This is not like a union here where employees can file grievances, etc. You better hope it never comes to that, or the sport is ruined the same way MLB, NFL, etc. are subject to work stoppages, strikes, etc. You think Feld would ever go for that? Be careful what you advocate for here...

ando wrote:

I had a long response written out but something went wrong and I lost it so I’ll shorten it to this:How many times does this need...

I had a long response written out but something went wrong and I lost it so I’ll shorten it to this:

How many times does this need to happen before the team owners stop looking at the riders and start looking at the management?

mattyhamz2 wrote:

Weimer, ET, Ando, Prado, Sexton....Starting with ET and on we've seen Kawi start by doing anything and everything the rider wants...Until they decide it's time to...

Weimer, ET, Ando, Prado, Sexton....

Starting with ET and on we've seen Kawi start by doing anything and everything the rider wants...Until they decide it's time to start doing things their way. That time period seems to have shortened and the team has put up a lot less results since.... And I'm sorry, engineers will only get a bike/car/whatever so far before the rider/driver input needs to be taken seriously. Although with Chase, I feel he is a guy that can easily get lost continuously CHASE-ing settings looking for an unrealistic level of comfort. Kawi has not only a management problem, but quite a bit of a rider/family problem as well. We've already heard from James why he and Chase stopped working together.

Like Yamaha before them, something needs to change to get Kawasaki back to what they once were and consistently competing at the front every weekend. 

DonM wrote:

Ultimately they chose problem riders….As everyone has overstated on here, Chase has had issues everywhere he’s been…Kawi knew that going in and their management has shown...

Ultimately they chose problem riders….As everyone has overstated on here, Chase has had issues everywhere he’s been…Kawi knew that going in and their management has shown that they were less capable than the other teams in handling it….I mean one of them literally ran the IJSBA into the ground before he left for Monster….

Renner153 wrote:

Yeah, but if you dont have the right people to make the team gel, you wont get HEP results. Hence why Kawi is about to lose...

Yeah, but if you dont have the right people to make the team gel, you wont get HEP results. Hence why Kawi is about to lose more riders in two years than they have won races.

Kenny Banyan wrote:

You put Jett and Hunter at Kawi and they would be kick’n butt and Chase at Honda, he would still be washing and tucking the frontend...

You put Jett and Hunter at Kawi and they would be kick’n butt and Chase at Honda, he would still be washing and tucking the frontend and talking trash on Honda. And people would say Team Honda was a trash team as well as the bike. 

Renner153 wrote:

We actually do not know this. We said just two years ago chase can win on anything as well. But we actually have more proof that...

We actually do not know this. We said just two years ago chase can win on anything as well. But we actually have more proof that it would likely go south for them as well then it would go good. We have two prior champions that are extremely talented two years in a row saying the bike isn’t good enough. 

RDnutz wrote:

I don't know if there are "many" employees saying the same thing, but even if there was, it's irrelevant. Riders are independent contractors and beyond their...

I don't know if there are "many" employees saying the same thing, but even if there was, it's irrelevant. Riders are independent contractors and beyond their contract terms they have no say in how a company runs the business. This is not like a union here where employees can file grievances, etc. You better hope it never comes to that, or the sport is ruined the same way MLB, NFL, etc. are subject to work stoppages, strikes, etc. You think Feld would ever go for that? Be careful what you advocate for here...

ando wrote:

I had a long response written out but something went wrong and I lost it so I’ll shorten it to this:How many times does this need...

I had a long response written out but something went wrong and I lost it so I’ll shorten it to this:

How many times does this need to happen before the team owners stop looking at the riders and start looking at the management?

mattyhamz2 wrote:

Weimer, ET, Ando, Prado, Sexton....Starting with ET and on we've seen Kawi start by doing anything and everything the rider wants...Until they decide it's time to...

Weimer, ET, Ando, Prado, Sexton....

Starting with ET and on we've seen Kawi start by doing anything and everything the rider wants...Until they decide it's time to start doing things their way. That time period seems to have shortened and the team has put up a lot less results since.... And I'm sorry, engineers will only get a bike/car/whatever so far before the rider/driver input needs to be taken seriously. Although with Chase, I feel he is a guy that can easily get lost continuously CHASE-ing settings looking for an unrealistic level of comfort. Kawi has not only a management problem, but quite a bit of a rider/family problem as well. We've already heard from James why he and Chase stopped working together.

Like Yamaha before them, something needs to change to get Kawasaki back to what they once were and consistently competing at the front every weekend. 

LouisianaMotocross wrote:

If you have many employees saying the same thing, you at least look at your management to see if improvements can be made. You can’t put...

If you have many employees saying the same thing, you at least look at your management to see if improvements can be made. You can’t put your head in the sand and not evaluate everyone because they are management. That’s crazy talk. 

RDnutz wrote:

I don't know if there are "many" employees saying the same thing, but even if there was, it's irrelevant. Riders are independent contractors and beyond their...

I don't know if there are "many" employees saying the same thing, but even if there was, it's irrelevant. Riders are independent contractors and beyond their contract terms they have no say in how a company runs the business. This is not like a union here where employees can file grievances, etc. You better hope it never comes to that, or the sport is ruined the same way MLB, NFL, etc. are subject to work stoppages, strikes, etc. You think Feld would ever go for that? Be careful what you advocate for here...

ando wrote:

I had a long response written out but something went wrong and I lost it so I’ll shorten it to this:How many times does this need...

I had a long response written out but something went wrong and I lost it so I’ll shorten it to this:

How many times does this need to happen before the team owners stop looking at the riders and start looking at the management?

RDnutz wrote:

I don't know if there are "many" employees saying the same thing, but even if there was, it's irrelevant. Riders are independent contractors and beyond their...

I don't know if there are "many" employees saying the same thing, but even if there was, it's irrelevant. Riders are independent contractors and beyond their contract terms they have no say in how a company runs the business. This is not like a union here where employees can file grievances, etc. You better hope it never comes to that, or the sport is ruined the same way MLB, NFL, etc. are subject to work stoppages, strikes, etc. You think Feld would ever go for that? Be careful what you advocate for here...

ando wrote:

I had a long response written out but something went wrong and I lost it so I’ll shorten it to this:How many times does this need...

I had a long response written out but something went wrong and I lost it so I’ll shorten it to this:

How many times does this need to happen before the team owners stop looking at the riders and start looking at the management?

Thisusernameisavailable wrote:

But the two riders in question are anomalies. Prado- first year stateside. Big personal life changes. Foods, schedule, SX, aluminium frame, lots of things culminated in making...

But the two riders in question are anomalies. 

Prado- first year stateside. Big personal life changes. Foods, schedule, SX, aluminium frame, lots of things culminated in making Prado unhappy. 

Sexton- Proven head case on his two previous brands.

Let’s say the next rider they hire might be like Hunta or JCoop- guys who knuckle down & get on with the task at hand without ego. 

Renner153 wrote:

Yeah, but if you dont have the right people to make the team gel, you wont get HEP results. Hence why Kawi is about to lose...

Yeah, but if you dont have the right people to make the team gel, you wont get HEP results. Hence why Kawi is about to lose more riders in two years than they have won races.

Kenny Banyan wrote:

You put Jett and Hunter at Kawi and they would be kick’n butt and Chase at Honda, he would still be washing and tucking the frontend...

You put Jett and Hunter at Kawi and they would be kick’n butt and Chase at Honda, he would still be washing and tucking the frontend and talking trash on Honda. And people would say Team Honda was a trash team as well as the bike. 

Renner153 wrote:

We actually do not know this. We said just two years ago chase can win on anything as well. But we actually have more proof that...

We actually do not know this. We said just two years ago chase can win on anything as well. But we actually have more proof that it would likely go south for them as well then it would go good. We have two prior champions that are extremely talented two years in a row saying the bike isn’t good enough. 

DonM wrote:

I’m not suggesting that Chase is giving them an ultimatum at all and I doubt he is…Just saying if nothing changes it will not get better...

I’m not suggesting that Chase is giving them an ultimatum at all and I doubt he is…Just saying if nothing changes it will not get better and these morans have already had one top tier rider walk because of their inability to get the bike where it needs to be and to have another one do the same will put this team in a position that nobody will want to ride for them

RDnutz wrote:

I didn't say you did. You suggested Changing MANAGEMENT to resolve a RIDER problem on the team for a 2nd year in a row. A contract...

I didn't say you did. You suggested Changing MANAGEMENT to resolve a RIDER problem on the team for a 2nd year in a row. A contract is a contract is a contract. BOTH parties willing agreed to this contract with their own obligations spelled out. Kawi would be totally within their rights to make Chase honor his obligation under contract here.

yardsailor wrote:

According to RV on his podcast, he claims the bike is plenty fast to be fast on. If Chase struggle with washing the front out, then...

According to RV on his podcast, he claims the bike is plenty fast to be fast on. If Chase struggle with washing the front out, then practice corners and figure out what you’re doing wrong.  
RV had many top 5’s in his career. 

yardsailor wrote:

According to RV on his podcast, he claims the bike is plenty fast to be fast on. If Chase struggle with washing the front out, then...

According to RV on his podcast, he claims the bike is plenty fast to be fast on. If Chase struggle with washing the front out, then practice corners and figure out what you’re doing wrong.  
RV had many top 5’s in his career. 

yardsailor wrote:

According to RV on his podcast, he claims the bike is plenty fast to be fast on. If Chase struggle with washing the front out, then...

According to RV on his podcast, he claims the bike is plenty fast to be fast on. If Chase struggle with washing the front out, then practice corners and figure out what you’re doing wrong.  
RV had many top 5’s in his career. 

SoCalMX70 wrote:

"RV had many top 5s" ... 🤣 What is that supposed to mean?

SoCalMX70 wrote:

"RV had many top 5s" ... 🤣 What is that supposed to mean?

prozach wrote: