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30minmotos wrote:
RD this isn’t an attack but it’s hard to put yourself in a different position.Another part of your perspective that really won’t apply is that line:“A...

RD this isn’t an attack but it’s hard to put yourself in a different position.

Another part of your perspective that really won’t apply is that line:

“A lot of it is luck, but smart planning for decades into your future turned out to be the ticket for us. That and leaving our San Diego home and lifestyle of 50+ years for a more affordable part of the country was instrumental as well.”


So you lived and worked in an incredibly high cost of living and high paying area. Then when your property value was I’m guessing incredibly high due to the exact inflation and issues in describing, you sold it for top dollar, took your 401ks that have done insanely well and moved to middle of nowhere for 1/3 the cost and 3x the property with 1/10th the taxes.


Thats all just a guess on how it went but it’s fairly realistic based on what everyone has done, but that’s exactly what the folks who are starting out won’t have. Like I said, truly try to imagine making 90k at 24 and wanting to buy a house. Who the heck makes 90k at 24 anyway. 


 

RDnutz wrote:
I've BEEN in a different position most of my life: 1st paying job @ age 16 for $1.75/hr in 1974 living with parents. Got my own...

I've BEEN in a different position most of my life: 1st paying job @ age 16 for $1.75/hr in 1974 living with parents. Got my own place 1980 working full time and going to community college and rented a studio apartment subsidized for Seniors. Had friends with parents helping them buy their 1st houses. Not mine! Marriage, kids, buying house were not on my radar at all. Wasn't until 1987 (age 29) I could start establishing credit buying a Ford Ranger through affordable company credit union loan making $8.75/hr. Was renting rooms or low budget apts in bad parts of town. Kept working and going to college and by 1992 thought about maybe affording a condo. Nobody in my situation was looking to buy a house and raise a family at age 24 with single income. Life isn't fair...

So you identified your problem of not being able to buy a house and start a family so young- what are you going to do about it?

30minmotos wrote:
So you didn’t take the time to really explore that scenario.Check.As far as me, I told you, I will provide for my family and we will...

So you didn’t take the time to really explore that scenario.


Check.


As far as me, I told you, I will provide for my family and we will make it. But it’s way harder than cutting out luxuries like you’re saying.


The scenario I painted shows that, but you won’t take the time to look at a perspective other than your lived experience.


It’s ok, I appreciate the conversation, and I’m honestly glad for you. You guys are living the dream and broke out of the rat race, it’s commendable!!

your expectations are out of touch with reality. Luckily you are young and hopefully healthy, so you got time to figure out how to get ahead despite obstacles You got to do more than the average working stiff to make it. Life isn't fair...

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6/2/2026 10:34am
RDnutz wrote:
I've BEEN in a different position most of my life: 1st paying job @ age 16 for $1.75/hr in 1974 living with parents. Got my own...

I've BEEN in a different position most of my life: 1st paying job @ age 16 for $1.75/hr in 1974 living with parents. Got my own place 1980 working full time and going to community college and rented a studio apartment subsidized for Seniors. Had friends with parents helping them buy their 1st houses. Not mine! Marriage, kids, buying house were not on my radar at all. Wasn't until 1987 (age 29) I could start establishing credit buying a Ford Ranger through affordable company credit union loan making $8.75/hr. Was renting rooms or low budget apts in bad parts of town. Kept working and going to college and by 1992 thought about maybe affording a condo. Nobody in my situation was looking to buy a house and raise a family at age 24 with single income. Life isn't fair...

So you identified your problem of not being able to buy a house and start a family so young- what are you going to do about it?

30minmotos wrote:
So you didn’t take the time to really explore that scenario.Check.As far as me, I told you, I will provide for my family and we will...

So you didn’t take the time to really explore that scenario.


Check.


As far as me, I told you, I will provide for my family and we will make it. But it’s way harder than cutting out luxuries like you’re saying.


The scenario I painted shows that, but you won’t take the time to look at a perspective other than your lived experience.


It’s ok, I appreciate the conversation, and I’m honestly glad for you. You guys are living the dream and broke out of the rat race, it’s commendable!!

RDnutz wrote:
your expectations are out of touch with reality. Luckily you are young and hopefully healthy, so you got time to figure out how to get ahead...

your expectations are out of touch with reality. Luckily you are young and hopefully healthy, so you got time to figure out how to get ahead despite obstacles You got to do more than the average working stiff to make it. Life isn't fair...

RD, the scenario I painted is CERTAINLY doing more than the average working stiff and it’s still impossible. That is why there’s such a disconnect between people who bought and owned before 2020 and after.


No debt, make 90k per year, 40k cash saved, still can’t make it.


That’s far more than the average scenario. And still not enough.


That’s a made up scenario using favorable numbers and it still shows how hard/insane it is..:


 

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30minmotos wrote:
RD, the scenario I painted is CERTAINLY doing more than the average working stiff and it’s still impossible. That is why there’s such a disconnect between...

RD, the scenario I painted is CERTAINLY doing more than the average working stiff and it’s still impossible. That is why there’s such a disconnect between people who bought and owned before 2020 and after.


No debt, make 90k per year, 40k cash saved, still can’t make it.


That’s far more than the average scenario. And still not enough.


That’s a made up scenario using favorable numbers and it still shows how hard/insane it is..:


 

so, you admit you're using a "made up scenario using favorable numbers" yet somehow convincing yourself of things without actual proof or 1st hand experience in what you are all worked up about. Here's some friendly advice: Go sit with an actual professional mortgage advisor/writer and give them your REAL personal financials and let them explain exactly what you might qualify for and get REAL information on how much home you could actually afford if you tried to buy- instead of assuming it's not possible. There are simple calculations they use with income to debt to ratios and credit rating. They know all about advising entry level buyers with FHA and other low-cost programs you might qualify for- or give you a set of things to work on to get in a position to actually work your way towards qualifying. My own youngest brother did that and they give him a plan to fix a couple things hurting qualifying status. It actually took him most of a year following the advisors plan but eventually got him to where he could qualify for a home he and wife were happy with.

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6/2/2026 5:24pm
30minmotos wrote:
RD, the scenario I painted is CERTAINLY doing more than the average working stiff and it’s still impossible. That is why there’s such a disconnect between...

RD, the scenario I painted is CERTAINLY doing more than the average working stiff and it’s still impossible. That is why there’s such a disconnect between people who bought and owned before 2020 and after.


No debt, make 90k per year, 40k cash saved, still can’t make it.


That’s far more than the average scenario. And still not enough.


That’s a made up scenario using favorable numbers and it still shows how hard/insane it is..:


 

RDnutz wrote:
so, you admit you're using a "made up scenario using favorable numbers" yet somehow convincing yourself of things without actual proof or 1st hand experience in...

so, you admit you're using a "made up scenario using favorable numbers" yet somehow convincing yourself of things without actual proof or 1st hand experience in what you are all worked up about. Here's some friendly advice: Go sit with an actual professional mortgage advisor/writer and give them your REAL personal financials and let them explain exactly what you might qualify for and get REAL information on how much home you could actually afford if you tried to buy- instead of assuming it's not possible. There are simple calculations they use with income to debt to ratios and credit rating. They know all about advising entry level buyers with FHA and other low-cost programs you might qualify for- or give you a set of things to work on to get in a position to actually work your way towards qualifying. My own youngest brother did that and they give him a plan to fix a couple things hurting qualifying status. It actually took him most of a year following the advisors plan but eventually got him to where he could qualify for a home he and wife were happy with.

Brother you’re so lost on this.


Those are numbers to show an example and are favorable as in less bad than reality actually is.


I don’t need advice, I have a house, I know what it takes, I don’t need a professional anything. You are missing the point and the picture entirely as always: people who bought pre 2022 have zero idea.

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6/2/2026 8:11pm
30minmotos wrote:
RD, the scenario I painted is CERTAINLY doing more than the average working stiff and it’s still impossible. That is why there’s such a disconnect between...

RD, the scenario I painted is CERTAINLY doing more than the average working stiff and it’s still impossible. That is why there’s such a disconnect between people who bought and owned before 2020 and after.


No debt, make 90k per year, 40k cash saved, still can’t make it.


That’s far more than the average scenario. And still not enough.


That’s a made up scenario using favorable numbers and it still shows how hard/insane it is..:


 

RDnutz wrote:
so, you admit you're using a "made up scenario using favorable numbers" yet somehow convincing yourself of things without actual proof or 1st hand experience in...

so, you admit you're using a "made up scenario using favorable numbers" yet somehow convincing yourself of things without actual proof or 1st hand experience in what you are all worked up about. Here's some friendly advice: Go sit with an actual professional mortgage advisor/writer and give them your REAL personal financials and let them explain exactly what you might qualify for and get REAL information on how much home you could actually afford if you tried to buy- instead of assuming it's not possible. There are simple calculations they use with income to debt to ratios and credit rating. They know all about advising entry level buyers with FHA and other low-cost programs you might qualify for- or give you a set of things to work on to get in a position to actually work your way towards qualifying. My own youngest brother did that and they give him a plan to fix a couple things hurting qualifying status. It actually took him most of a year following the advisors plan but eventually got him to where he could qualify for a home he and wife were happy with.

30minmotos wrote:
Brother you’re so lost on this.Those are numbers to show an example and are favorable as in less bad than reality actually is.I don’t need advice...

Brother you’re so lost on this.


Those are numbers to show an example and are favorable as in less bad than reality actually is.


I don’t need advice, I have a house, I know what it takes, I don’t need a professional anything. You are missing the point and the picture entirely as always: people who bought pre 2022 have zero idea.

what color is the sky in your world? 🙃

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6/2/2026 9:18pm
30minmotos wrote:
So you didn’t take the time to really explore that scenario.Check.As far as me, I told you, I will provide for my family and we will...

So you didn’t take the time to really explore that scenario.


Check.


As far as me, I told you, I will provide for my family and we will make it. But it’s way harder than cutting out luxuries like you’re saying.


The scenario I painted shows that, but you won’t take the time to look at a perspective other than your lived experience.


It’s ok, I appreciate the conversation, and I’m honestly glad for you. You guys are living the dream and broke out of the rat race, it’s commendable!!

RDnutz wrote:
your expectations are out of touch with reality. Luckily you are young and hopefully healthy, so you got time to figure out how to get ahead...

your expectations are out of touch with reality. Luckily you are young and hopefully healthy, so you got time to figure out how to get ahead despite obstacles You got to do more than the average working stiff to make it. Life isn't fair...

30minmotos wrote:
RD, the scenario I painted is CERTAINLY doing more than the average working stiff and it’s still impossible. That is why there’s such a disconnect between...

RD, the scenario I painted is CERTAINLY doing more than the average working stiff and it’s still impossible. That is why there’s such a disconnect between people who bought and owned before 2020 and after.


No debt, make 90k per year, 40k cash saved, still can’t make it.


That’s far more than the average scenario. And still not enough.


That’s a made up scenario using favorable numbers and it still shows how hard/insane it is..:


 

Trying to explain life to people who owned homes pre 2020 makes me realize the only viable path forward is class warfare. 

I’m being completely unironic. IMG 3589.png?VersionId=jzY6Kg5BHr7MZsQSY4pcceh1 Nfok

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6/3/2026 5:09pm Edited Date/Time 6/3/2026 5:13pm

Moto is too expensive these days for a hobby sport that needs lots of participants to make good tracks a viable business, in my opinion. 
It’s not to expensive for me, but I’m a life long moto guy, not just getting into it on a whim. But still I ride my mtb waaaaaaaay more because it’s cheap and just as fun. And mainly there are just more places to ride. 

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The AMA needs to do something to help out with places to ride. All they need to do is organize people and I think most people...

The AMA needs to do something to help out with places to ride. All they need to do is organize people and I think most people are willing to help the local tracks but there is no one out there as a real leader for the dirt bike community. The membership should come with some voting rights and your own influence over AMA funds. There could be local chapters of AMA that can just get organized for track owners, track workers and funds. In the whole dirt bike community of people who actually ride very few people race and even fewer people race ama events. I I knew my money was actually going towards real riding areas I would be heavily involved.  

 

There could be local presidents of each district and bylaws and voting rights much like a labor union. 

FYI on a couple of things in this post:

First of all, the AMA has a program to insure tracks that are willing to follow the rules regarding who is on the track together and have minimal medical personnel on site.  What we can't do is put our insurance program on the line for tracks that allow minibikes on the track at the same time as big bikes and have no flaggers or medical staff on site.  We are working with quite a few states to establish inherent risk laws for motorsports.  Even in states where they have passed, allowing kids and adults on the track at the same time is generally considered gross negligence, which is not protected under those laws.

Also, every AMA member has voting rights to elect their local AMA Board of Directors members.  Not a penny is spent that isn't approved by the BOD.  AMA members staff competitions and they make all of the rule changes to the rulebook which are also approved by the AMA BOD.  So, in actuality, you do have a vote on how things work at the AMA.  

All of the areas which have active districts already have the structure you are proposing including discipline chairpersons and executive level positions that are voted on by the districts.

 

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6/6/2026 5:03am Edited Date/Time 6/6/2026 5:10am
SlowOldGuy wrote:
FYI on a couple of things in this post:First of all, the AMA has a program to insure tracks that are willing to follow the rules...

FYI on a couple of things in this post:

First of all, the AMA has a program to insure tracks that are willing to follow the rules regarding who is on the track together and have minimal medical personnel on site.  What we can't do is put our insurance program on the line for tracks that allow minibikes on the track at the same time as big bikes and have no flaggers or medical staff on site.  We are working with quite a few states to establish inherent risk laws for motorsports.  Even in states where they have passed, allowing kids and adults on the track at the same time is generally considered gross negligence, which is not protected under those laws.

Also, every AMA member has voting rights to elect their local AMA Board of Directors members.  Not a penny is spent that isn't approved by the BOD.  AMA members staff competitions and they make all of the rule changes to the rulebook which are also approved by the AMA BOD.  So, in actuality, you do have a vote on how things work at the AMA.  

All of the areas which have active districts already have the structure you are proposing including discipline chairpersons and executive level positions that are voted on by the districts.

 

Quite true. This season for AMA amateur MX, everyone is required to wear a chest protector, youth or adult. Also, any practice attached to a AMA sanctioned must follow all the rules in the AMA rulebook, and must have EMS on site whenever riders are on track. The AMA has nothing to do with people who put on unsanctioned races or practices. More often than not, those are the events where you see kids on track with adults, unnecseeary hazards on or around the course, etc...

Anyone who wants to complain about what the AMA doesn't do should look at their own riding/racing history. How many AMA events have they been to? How many unsanctioned events have they been to? Are they an AMA member? Anyone who wants to make it better can and should refuse to attend unsanctioned events. Problem is, it's easier to complain than it is to take action. It's cheaper too. "But muh $45....derrrr!"

 

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SlowOldGuy wrote:
FYI on a couple of things in this post:First of all, the AMA has a program to insure tracks that are willing to follow the rules...

FYI on a couple of things in this post:

First of all, the AMA has a program to insure tracks that are willing to follow the rules regarding who is on the track together and have minimal medical personnel on site.  What we can't do is put our insurance program on the line for tracks that allow minibikes on the track at the same time as big bikes and have no flaggers or medical staff on site.  We are working with quite a few states to establish inherent risk laws for motorsports.  Even in states where they have passed, allowing kids and adults on the track at the same time is generally considered gross negligence, which is not protected under those laws.

Also, every AMA member has voting rights to elect their local AMA Board of Directors members.  Not a penny is spent that isn't approved by the BOD.  AMA members staff competitions and they make all of the rule changes to the rulebook which are also approved by the AMA BOD.  So, in actuality, you do have a vote on how things work at the AMA.  

All of the areas which have active districts already have the structure you are proposing including discipline chairpersons and executive level positions that are voted on by the districts.

 

Quite true. This season for AMA amateur MX, everyone is required to wear a chest protector, youth or adult. Also, any practice attached to a AMA...

Quite true. This season for AMA amateur MX, everyone is required to wear a chest protector, youth or adult. Also, any practice attached to a AMA sanctioned must follow all the rules in the AMA rulebook, and must have EMS on site whenever riders are on track. The AMA has nothing to do with people who put on unsanctioned races or practices. More often than not, those are the events where you see kids on track with adults, unnecseeary hazards on or around the course, etc...

Anyone who wants to complain about what the AMA doesn't do should look at their own riding/racing history. How many AMA events have they been to? How many unsanctioned events have they been to? Are they an AMA member? Anyone who wants to make it better can and should refuse to attend unsanctioned events. Problem is, it's easier to complain than it is to take action. It's cheaper too. "But muh $45....derrrr!"

 

The ama is complicit in plenty of this. But sure try to make it black or white I guess…

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SlowOldGuy wrote:
FYI on a couple of things in this post:First of all, the AMA has a program to insure tracks that are willing to follow the rules...

FYI on a couple of things in this post:

First of all, the AMA has a program to insure tracks that are willing to follow the rules regarding who is on the track together and have minimal medical personnel on site.  What we can't do is put our insurance program on the line for tracks that allow minibikes on the track at the same time as big bikes and have no flaggers or medical staff on site.  We are working with quite a few states to establish inherent risk laws for motorsports.  Even in states where they have passed, allowing kids and adults on the track at the same time is generally considered gross negligence, which is not protected under those laws.

Also, every AMA member has voting rights to elect their local AMA Board of Directors members.  Not a penny is spent that isn't approved by the BOD.  AMA members staff competitions and they make all of the rule changes to the rulebook which are also approved by the AMA BOD.  So, in actuality, you do have a vote on how things work at the AMA.  

All of the areas which have active districts already have the structure you are proposing including discipline chairpersons and executive level positions that are voted on by the districts.

 

Quite true. This season for AMA amateur MX, everyone is required to wear a chest protector, youth or adult. Also, any practice attached to a AMA...

Quite true. This season for AMA amateur MX, everyone is required to wear a chest protector, youth or adult. Also, any practice attached to a AMA sanctioned must follow all the rules in the AMA rulebook, and must have EMS on site whenever riders are on track. The AMA has nothing to do with people who put on unsanctioned races or practices. More often than not, those are the events where you see kids on track with adults, unnecseeary hazards on or around the course, etc...

Anyone who wants to complain about what the AMA doesn't do should look at their own riding/racing history. How many AMA events have they been to? How many unsanctioned events have they been to? Are they an AMA member? Anyone who wants to make it better can and should refuse to attend unsanctioned events. Problem is, it's easier to complain than it is to take action. It's cheaper too. "But muh $45....derrrr!"

 

The AMA has been at the forefront of motorcycle lobbying for my entire life and the AMA has failed. Pinning public policy failures and insurance carriers backing out on a local track that might clear $300k in total revenue for an entire year is a ridiculous way to explain why our sport is in its current predicament. How many lawsuits would have been prevented by the chest protector regulation the AMA has? You know, the one they just put into place like 6 months ago... I agree that having kids on track with adults isn't a great idea, but I honestly haven't seen that happen for a really long time. I'm also in agreement that there should be EMS with an ambulance at any event, but I really don't see that that has to do with the AMA....

 

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6/6/2026 7:17am Edited Date/Time 6/6/2026 7:18am
SlowOldGuy wrote:
FYI on a couple of things in this post:First of all, the AMA has a program to insure tracks that are willing to follow the rules...

FYI on a couple of things in this post:

First of all, the AMA has a program to insure tracks that are willing to follow the rules regarding who is on the track together and have minimal medical personnel on site.  What we can't do is put our insurance program on the line for tracks that allow minibikes on the track at the same time as big bikes and have no flaggers or medical staff on site.  We are working with quite a few states to establish inherent risk laws for motorsports.  Even in states where they have passed, allowing kids and adults on the track at the same time is generally considered gross negligence, which is not protected under those laws.

Also, every AMA member has voting rights to elect their local AMA Board of Directors members.  Not a penny is spent that isn't approved by the BOD.  AMA members staff competitions and they make all of the rule changes to the rulebook which are also approved by the AMA BOD.  So, in actuality, you do have a vote on how things work at the AMA.  

All of the areas which have active districts already have the structure you are proposing including discipline chairpersons and executive level positions that are voted on by the districts.

 

Quite true. This season for AMA amateur MX, everyone is required to wear a chest protector, youth or adult. Also, any practice attached to a AMA...

Quite true. This season for AMA amateur MX, everyone is required to wear a chest protector, youth or adult. Also, any practice attached to a AMA sanctioned must follow all the rules in the AMA rulebook, and must have EMS on site whenever riders are on track. The AMA has nothing to do with people who put on unsanctioned races or practices. More often than not, those are the events where you see kids on track with adults, unnecseeary hazards on or around the course, etc...

Anyone who wants to complain about what the AMA doesn't do should look at their own riding/racing history. How many AMA events have they been to? How many unsanctioned events have they been to? Are they an AMA member? Anyone who wants to make it better can and should refuse to attend unsanctioned events. Problem is, it's easier to complain than it is to take action. It's cheaper too. "But muh $45....derrrr!"

 

Smuffers wrote:
The AMA has been at the forefront of motorcycle lobbying for my entire life and the AMA has failed. Pinning public policy failures and insurance carriers...

The AMA has been at the forefront of motorcycle lobbying for my entire life and the AMA has failed. Pinning public policy failures and insurance carriers backing out on a local track that might clear $300k in total revenue for an entire year is a ridiculous way to explain why our sport is in its current predicament. How many lawsuits would have been prevented by the chest protector regulation the AMA has? You know, the one they just put into place like 6 months ago... I agree that having kids on track with adults isn't a great idea, but I honestly haven't seen that happen for a really long time. I'm also in agreement that there should be EMS with an ambulance at any event, but I really don't see that that has to do with the AMA....

 

Throw out the crashes and insurance stuff regarding the ama and just look at it from the amateur racing. Nobody wants to go to an amateur race and sit around all day. They seriously can’t think of any way to make it better? 755 classes with 3 riders in each class?? Who is that fun for?


Who wants to line up with 3 other people and have nobody your speed to battle with.

does the ama have anything to do with the classes and formats offered in the ama sanctioned races?
 

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If you want to increase viewership of the pro races, you have to increase turnout at local tracks. People who ride, spin laps, and have done...

If you want to increase viewership of the pro races, you have to increase turnout at local tracks. People who ride, spin laps, and have done some local races are the ones who watch racing. Sure some wives and friends watch to but they only did because the guy who races or rides got them hooked.


The way to get more people riding and racing  is by fixing amateur racing and fixing the local track designs.


Make the tracks safer , more forgiving, more fun, floaty forgiving ski jumps, fun hip jumps, fun turns, less jumps, less risk, more fun.


Make motos 30 minutes for amateurs and have everyone grouped by speed, cap registration to fit maximum of 7-8 classes of 40 riders each. All grouped by speed so you’ll have 10+ riders your speed to battle with.


Make moto what is always should have been instead of this inbred Loretta’s format where there’s 740 classes and you get 6 minute motos after sitting all day.


If you make the race formats worth your while you’ll have race days sold out ahead of time.


If you make practice tracks fun you’ll actually have people who ride willing to go to tracks again.


I know we all have buddies who “used to ride” and are actually pretty skilled but have zero desire to go to the track now a days. The tracks are too peaky, too unforgiving, too many jumps, 

The supercross influence has wrecked local tracks. Tracks should look like Italian gp tracks. Some singles built into hills, a couple forgiving floaters, and just fun turns to link together and RIDE not pilot your dirtbike.



You know how many more people would ride.


90+% of the turnout is youth, vets, and beginners. And yet tracks are built for what seems Loretta’s level c and above.


Look to an off-road race and see their turnout? I guarantee half of those guys wish they were at a motocross track and are only doing off road because the tracks have gone full inbred between design and then the Loretta’s race day class inbredation.



And then the whole “most people can’t even do 5 laps how will they do 35 minute motos?”


Everyone is full panic mode sprinting for these 4 lap races, that isn’t sustainable. Supposed to pace yourself, measure your energy, plan your bursts, it’s supposed to be an actual athletic and mental event. Not just a hold your breath and pin it. 4 lap races aren’t motocross. It’s a joke and it’s a sin against the sport honestly.


Probably need some 125 only vet classes also. 30+ 125 only. Make it so everyone can battle and hold it pinned without the roost and the speeds from the 450s.


Make moto fun again!

Wow, no one has ever said this before. Here. A million times. 

Let's look at Southern California motocross during its peak years, around 1979, when you could race at two different tracks in the same weekend.
Its Economics: 

  • A new 250 cost about $1829, which is roughly $8400 in today's dollars. A comparable new bike today costs around $11,000.
  • Gallon of gas was 86 cents, $3.94 adjusted for inflation. I paid $6 per gallon at the pump recently.
  • A fully equipped Ford Econoline van had a high retail price of about $4,100, which equals roughly $18,000 today. Try finding a new van for that price now. Most start around $60,000.

That's just the basics to get to the races. I haven't even included riding gear, a trailer, camping expenses, race entry fees, parts, or maintenance.

BUT I don't want to be disingenuous. maintenance electrician working for a public utility earned about $10 per hour in 1979, which translates to roughly $46 per hour today. That's not far from what electricians earn now.

Here's why: Wages have generally stayed up with inflation, but racing, bikes and how we get to the track hasn't. This is why racing has left us far behind. Then there is track insurance, housing development and "white liberal women."

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6/6/2026 7:57am
Quite true. This season for AMA amateur MX, everyone is required to wear a chest protector, youth or adult. Also, any practice attached to a AMA...

Quite true. This season for AMA amateur MX, everyone is required to wear a chest protector, youth or adult. Also, any practice attached to a AMA sanctioned must follow all the rules in the AMA rulebook, and must have EMS on site whenever riders are on track. The AMA has nothing to do with people who put on unsanctioned races or practices. More often than not, those are the events where you see kids on track with adults, unnecseeary hazards on or around the course, etc...

Anyone who wants to complain about what the AMA doesn't do should look at their own riding/racing history. How many AMA events have they been to? How many unsanctioned events have they been to? Are they an AMA member? Anyone who wants to make it better can and should refuse to attend unsanctioned events. Problem is, it's easier to complain than it is to take action. It's cheaper too. "But muh $45....derrrr!"

 

Smuffers wrote:
The AMA has been at the forefront of motorcycle lobbying for my entire life and the AMA has failed. Pinning public policy failures and insurance carriers...

The AMA has been at the forefront of motorcycle lobbying for my entire life and the AMA has failed. Pinning public policy failures and insurance carriers backing out on a local track that might clear $300k in total revenue for an entire year is a ridiculous way to explain why our sport is in its current predicament. How many lawsuits would have been prevented by the chest protector regulation the AMA has? You know, the one they just put into place like 6 months ago... I agree that having kids on track with adults isn't a great idea, but I honestly haven't seen that happen for a really long time. I'm also in agreement that there should be EMS with an ambulance at any event, but I really don't see that that has to do with the AMA....

 

30minmotos wrote:
Throw out the crashes and insurance stuff regarding the ama and just look at it from the amateur racing. Nobody wants to go to an amateur...

Throw out the crashes and insurance stuff regarding the ama and just look at it from the amateur racing. Nobody wants to go to an amateur race and sit around all day. They seriously can’t think of any way to make it better? 755 classes with 3 riders in each class?? Who is that fun for?


Who wants to line up with 3 other people and have nobody your speed to battle with.

does the ama have anything to do with the classes and formats offered in the ama sanctioned races?
 

I'm not entirely sure what your point is. I'm talking about public policy failures regarding continued civil liability issues and the associated problems with securing insurance as being a driving factor behind the decline of the sport. The AMA is also going to have to contend with expanding suburbia and the issues that go along with housing developments being built near established tracks. New homeowners won't care that the track was already there and the Courts may not either. MX is easily considered a nuisance and it doesn't always matter if you were there first. I've not seen the AMA address these issues in a meaningful way. Tracks are closing quickly and new ones are not opening. Few places to ride will mean fewer riders when its all said and done. 

As for classes, yes, there are a lot of them out there, but local promoters generally combine classes for a semi-full gate. Race order and combining of classes isn't something that the AMA involves itself in so I wouldn't put that on them. I don't often see a gate-drop with three people unless it's quads or a low turnout day for 65s or something. 

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