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Time to run one class. No further message 

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Bow977 wrote:

Time to run one class. No further message 

I think we need 5 classes. 450 17 rounds. 250 10 rounds each. Women’s and privateer class each get 6 rounds. Smx next 5 rounds

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You casuals are funny 😆 

4 guys in the night show were 15 seconds A LAP slower than the leaders on a 50 second lap track. Think about that. 

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Bow977 wrote:

Time to run one class. No further message 

Agreed. The 'divisions' have run their course. 

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Bow977 wrote:

Time to run one class. No further message 

I think we need 5 classes. 450 17 rounds. 250 10 rounds each. Women’s and privateer class each get 6 rounds. Smx next 5 rounds

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I've said the same for years. The 250 regional classes are a bad product more often than not because of the split.

 

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Im sad to say that I haven't watched any 250 main events since Anaheim this year. The 250 class simply isn't producing what it should to keep me interested.
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The 250 class this season has got to be the most boring one in recent years. The two biggest rivals are in separate coasts (Deegan, Davies). Two other potential equals to Deegan and Davies are injured or came in injured (Beaumer, Shimoda). PC riders once again constantly shitting the bed (Kitchen, Hammaker) or once again picking up injury (McAdoo). Anstie wins A1 then suddenly forgets how to ride. 

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One coast over 25 years of age, one coast under 25 years of age

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Yep Deegs racking up wins in the most inconsistent fields I can remember. 
I may be wrong but Deegs was the only champion in the fields??

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How about just one class, everyone on 250s two or four stroke, and have an A main and B main. 

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Bow977 wrote:

Time to run one class. No further message 

I think we need 5 classes. 450 17 rounds. 250 10 rounds each. Women’s and privateer class each get 6 rounds. Smx next 5 rounds

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Every form auto racing has several different classes but for some reason yall want to shrink the classes down… that’s dumb

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Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated with those teams…

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DonM wrote:
Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated...

Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated with those teams…

Is the purpose of racing to create jobs?  That’s a new one.

Half the guys in the 250 class don’t have “rides”, they are paying their own way to be at the races.

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DonM wrote:
Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated...

Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated with those teams…

ando wrote:
Is the purpose of racing to create jobs?  That’s a new one.Half the guys in the 250 class don’t have “rides”, they are paying their own...

Is the purpose of racing to create jobs?  That’s a new one.

Half the guys in the 250 class don’t have “rides”, they are paying their own way to be at the races.

So you actually believe that 250 teams will continue with 4+ riders if there aren’t two coasts? For what purpose? I’m talking about the riders that are consistently in the night program not the guys that never qualify from the C group….

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250 national SX class and a 250 SX support class.

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21 hours ago Edited Date/Time 21 hours ago

250 national SX class and a 250 SX support class.

 

  • One 450 class, one unified 250 class w/ select Futures events will provide better racing and allow for farm team development of both riders and mechanics
  • No age limit nor championship exclusions on 250 class. Futures champ has to move up.
  • 250 Futures cost-cap, dB limits, and/or key stock parts requirements
  • 22~24 races per year under a unified series - SX, MX and SMX venues combined into one calendar year. This to alleviate early season weather issues, rider burn-out/injury, more manageable travel schedules/financials, riders becoming proficient at one (chosen) discipline, etc.
  • Same gate sizes as present
  • Implementation of a riders union to address officiating, track design/conditions, safety concerns, governance, on-track flaggers/race stewards, etc
  • To the above, institute a rotating 3-party officiating panel at every event consisting of an AMA official (race director), an impartial former AMA (pro licensed) rider, and a per race appointed impartial steward
  • Governing body logistics contact(s) and partners to assist with travel related costs - domestic and abroad.
  • Basic rules package w/ renewal per year - dB levels, starting aid limitations, basic rider safety equipment, etc.
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DonM wrote:
Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated...

Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated with those teams…

Man i hate this argument. Why don't you then argue for splitting the 450 class too if creating the as many job opportunities as possible is this important?

It's a professional sport (or at least tries to be one), the riders and personnel that might be left out will have to race WSX, AX, locally or just forced to get a real job.

 

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DonM wrote:
Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated...

Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated with those teams…

Motofinne wrote:
Man i hate this argument. Why don't you then argue for splitting the 450 class too if creating the as many job opportunities as possible is...

Man i hate this argument. Why don't you then argue for splitting the 450 class too if creating the as many job opportunities as possible is this important?

It's a professional sport (or at least tries to be one), the riders and personnel that might be left out will have to race WSX, AX, locally or just forced to get a real job.

 

If they eliminate the coasts it will not increase the competition as you all believe…if there are fewer factory rides and fewer b team rides you will force the others to do as you have said which doesn’t give you want in SX as the 250’s won’t have the talent they have now. It will dilute the talent more than two coasts because of lack of rides…

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DonM wrote:
Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated...

Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated with those teams…

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One thing no one has mentioned is that if it was a National class, some riders in the 450s , would leave the 450s and have a go in the 250, probably some in the back half of the field. Is that a good thing…. I don’t know, but it may fix the lapper issue many are complaining about recently.

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DonM wrote:
Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated...

Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated with those teams…

Motofinne wrote:
Man i hate this argument. Why don't you then argue for splitting the 450 class too if creating the as many job opportunities as possible is...

Man i hate this argument. Why don't you then argue for splitting the 450 class too if creating the as many job opportunities as possible is this important?

It's a professional sport (or at least tries to be one), the riders and personnel that might be left out will have to race WSX, AX, locally or just forced to get a real job.

 

DonM wrote:
If they eliminate the coasts it will not increase the competition as you all believe…if there are fewer factory rides and fewer b team rides you...

If they eliminate the coasts it will not increase the competition as you all believe…if there are fewer factory rides and fewer b team rides you will force the others to do as you have said which doesn’t give you want in SX as the 250’s won’t have the talent they have now. It will dilute the talent more than two coasts because of lack of rides…

Interesting point to discuss. Genuine question, in your opinion, what would be a team, a rider or two that would suffer if the classes were unified this year?

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250 national SX class and a 250 SX support class.

 One 450 class, one unified 250 class w/ select Futures events will provide better racing and allow for farm team development of both riders and mechanicsNo...

 

  • One 450 class, one unified 250 class w/ select Futures events will provide better racing and allow for farm team development of both riders and mechanics
  • No age limit nor championship exclusions on 250 class. Futures champ has to move up.
  • 250 Futures cost-cap, dB limits, and/or key stock parts requirements
  • 22~24 races per year under a unified series - SX, MX and SMX venues combined into one calendar year. This to alleviate early season weather issues, rider burn-out/injury, more manageable travel schedules/financials, riders becoming proficient at one (chosen) discipline, etc.
  • Same gate sizes as present
  • Implementation of a riders union to address officiating, track design/conditions, safety concerns, governance, on-track flaggers/race stewards, etc
  • To the above, institute a rotating 3-party officiating panel at every event consisting of an AMA official (race director), an impartial former AMA (pro licensed) rider, and a per race appointed impartial steward
  • Governing body logistics contact(s) and partners to assist with travel related costs - domestic and abroad.
  • Basic rules package w/ renewal per year - dB levels, starting aid limitations, basic rider safety equipment, etc.

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Motofinne wrote:
Man i hate this argument. Why don't you then argue for splitting the 450 class too if creating the as many job opportunities as possible is...

Man i hate this argument. Why don't you then argue for splitting the 450 class too if creating the as many job opportunities as possible is this important?

It's a professional sport (or at least tries to be one), the riders and personnel that might be left out will have to race WSX, AX, locally or just forced to get a real job.

 

DonM wrote:
If they eliminate the coasts it will not increase the competition as you all believe…if there are fewer factory rides and fewer b team rides you...

If they eliminate the coasts it will not increase the competition as you all believe…if there are fewer factory rides and fewer b team rides you will force the others to do as you have said which doesn’t give you want in SX as the 250’s won’t have the talent they have now. It will dilute the talent more than two coasts because of lack of rides…

Interesting point to discuss. Genuine question, in your opinion, what would be a team, a rider or two that would suffer if the classes were unified...

Interesting point to discuss. Genuine question, in your opinion, what would be a team, a rider or two that would suffer if the classes were unified this year?

Do you believe that Star would keep 8 riders, or Kaw 4, Club 4? How many will the KTM Group field, How about Phoenix Honda, Partzilla Kaw? I would guarantee that if you combine the coasts you would lose at a minimum of a dozen top tier rides because they would cut back the number of rides available because they don’t need the representation. With the min age going to 18 you would find that the level of comp for 17 races would not be any better than what it is now in each coast….and then everyone would bitch about how boring the 250’s are for 17 rounds without showdowns…. 

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DonM wrote:
Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated...

Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated with those teams…

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If creating jobs for more mechanics is the concern, why don’t we have East & West coast 450s? 

You pair of weirdos.. 

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DonM wrote:
Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated...

Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated with those teams…

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If creating jobs for more mechanics is the concern, why don’t we have East & West coast 450s? 

You pair of weirdos.. 

It’s not about the jobs dipshit…Ok….have a day…

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DonM wrote:
Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated...

Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated with those teams…

ando wrote:
Is the purpose of racing to create jobs?  That’s a new one.Half the guys in the 250 class don’t have “rides”, they are paying their own...

Is the purpose of racing to create jobs?  That’s a new one.

Half the guys in the 250 class don’t have “rides”, they are paying their own way to be at the races.

DonM wrote:
So you actually believe that 250 teams will continue with 4+ riders if there aren’t two coasts? For what purpose? I’m talking about the riders that...

So you actually believe that 250 teams will continue with 4+ riders if there aren’t two coasts? For what purpose? I’m talking about the riders that are consistently in the night program not the guys that never qualify from the C group….

Do they cut riders when they go outdoors?

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DonM wrote:
Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated...

Great idea lets go to one 250 class and eliminate half the rides in the 250’s not to mention all the jobs of the mechanics associated with those teams…

Motofinne wrote:
Man i hate this argument. Why don't you then argue for splitting the 450 class too if creating the as many job opportunities as possible is...

Man i hate this argument. Why don't you then argue for splitting the 450 class too if creating the as many job opportunities as possible is this important?

It's a professional sport (or at least tries to be one), the riders and personnel that might be left out will have to race WSX, AX, locally or just forced to get a real job.

 

DonM wrote:
If they eliminate the coasts it will not increase the competition as you all believe…if there are fewer factory rides and fewer b team rides you...

If they eliminate the coasts it will not increase the competition as you all believe…if there are fewer factory rides and fewer b team rides you will force the others to do as you have said which doesn’t give you want in SX as the 250’s won’t have the talent they have now. It will dilute the talent more than two coasts because of lack of rides…

Are you saying that by combining the regional SX series into a national one that a random half of the talent will disappear?  It won’t.  The bottom half of the talent pool will drop off and you’ll have ALL the top 250 guys competing each week.

If the 250 teams are worried about costs then just have less rounds, say 10-12 instead of 17.

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X2

If creating jobs for more mechanics is the concern, why don’t we have East & West coast 450s? 

You pair of weirdos.. 

DonM wrote:

It’s not about the jobs dipshit…Ok….have a day…

You did just say it was about the jobs…

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One thing no one has mentioned is that if it was a National class, some riders in the 450s , would leave the 450s and have...

One thing no one has mentioned is that if it was a National class, some riders in the 450s , would leave the 450s and have a go in the 250, probably some in the back half of the field. Is that a good thing…. I don’t know, but it may fix the lapper issue many are complaining about recently.

Now this is actually logic I can get behind. I'm not for combining the coasts but I like this. Riders who were never meant to be 450 riders could just be career 250 guys. 

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