Trump unharmed after security incident at White House correspondents' dinner

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jemcee wrote:
Why do I find it so hard to believe? A bullet from high powered gun fired from a long way away slightly grazed an ear badly...

Why do I find it so hard to believe? A bullet from high powered gun fired from a long way away slightly grazed an ear badly enough that it required a huge dressing for days but then left zero evidence of any damage.. Ear cartilage doesn't grow back

My explanations of my doubts are telling on me? What, that I question things that don't make sense to me? Oh no..

I don't think accusing a political party of exaggerating a circumstance that would benefit them in the lead up to an election is exactly a conspiracy haha

truck wrote:
Things do make sense if you haven't already decided that they don't make sense. Sorry, this one just annoys me.... there's nothing objectively off about anything...

Things do make sense if you haven't already decided that they don't make sense. Sorry, this one just annoys me.... there's nothing objectively off about anything here but there's no convincing some people.....

Cartilage doesn't grow back but you can oppose the edges and repair the overlying skin pretty easily. It was a 5.56 round.... how big of a hole do you think it leaves? And that's assuming it wasn't a graze wound.

Look at the pictures.... looks like entry could have been under helix and exit out the back. Once the skin is healed, even if there is a hole in cartilage, it is likely not going to be apparent to the naked eye. 7SK3A2WNKVPMJHGNUQRKBXNFNQ133493078 trumpcrop upright7untitled-design-2024-07-13t194524-495240717-trump-law-enforcement-ch-0857-19bb31

jemcee wrote:
See this is how adults interact.. Or things don't make sense unless you've already decided they do make sense haha.. You say they can repair it but...

See this is how adults interact.. Or things don't make sense unless you've already decided they do make sense haha.. 

You say they can repair it but that would require surgery no? Again, honest question..

I have never seen those pictures and they do show it better than I've seen, honestly I don't know if I'm seeing a hole or something that looks like a hole.. I'm still not totally convinced the angles work but I hope that doesn't offend anyone enough to call me names haha.. 

As I said even IF I'm right OR the bullet didn't go near him.. What happened was shocking and scary enough

I honestly didn't think I was saying anything that was gonna upset so many people.. I'll try to leave it, but I probably won't let people call me names though haha

ER likely did nothing other than bandage, maybe a stitch or two to pull the skin together if needed to to control bleeding. Plastic surgeon could have revised it later and even done skin graft sitting in oval office with local anesthetic. 

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4/27/2026 10:24pm
ToolMaker wrote:
And yet we have no history of conservatives trying to gun down the media for their lies. So while you can come up with alternate scenarios...

And yet we have no history of conservatives trying to gun down the media for their lies. So while you can come up with alternate scenarios, with no valid reason for such. When you evaluate the information available, and try to narrow down what and why, who turned out to evaluate the available information correctly?

Score board: squatch 0, TM 1

So if evaluating information, and applying past information that leads to the most logical explanation along with other people, and you interpret that as following the herd. Maybe it's leading the herd. But if we're going to put out unlikely scenarios, did you consider the possibility that it was a plumber that didn't get paid for his services and wanted to damage the hotel reputation? Because that's possible too.

TM nui

T-MAC wrote:
This is starting to get off topic but...Regarding US citizens gunning down fellow US citizens, red states absolutely lead the herd. It is clear you are...

This is starting to get off topic but...

Regarding US citizens gunning down fellow US citizens, red states absolutely lead the herd. It is clear you are under no influence of media, mainstream or not. Any chance you can post where you read the statistics you spoke of in this thread? Sounds like others saw similar on Fox News, which is why I ask. Here is a tidbit for ya, you can package statistics to provide ammo for whatever narrative you are trying to communicate. I see this happen all the time in my line of work. 

I am happy to be proven wrong, eat crow, etc. when information is presented that suggests my beliefs, opinion, and/or understanding of something may be off base. Are you able to honestly say the same to yourself?

Stats below straight from Congress.

  • Republicans have made crime a major selling point over the past several elections. In 2020 and 2022, they ran ads accusing Democratic candidates of wanting to “defund the police”– a position held by only a handful of fringe Democratic officeholders. In October 2022, one-quarter of ads from Republican candidates and PACs focused on crime. Republican-aligned Fox News aired, on average, 141 segments on crime across weekdays in the two months leading up to the midterms. In the week after the midterm, their coverage of violent crime dropped by 50%.
  • In March of 2022, we released a report that found murder rates in 2020 were 40% higher in Trump-voting states than Biden-voting states. In this follow-up report, we studied homicide data going back to 2000 to see if this one-year Red State murder epidemic was an anomaly. It was not. Despite a media narrative to the contrary, a wide and widening Red State murder gap has spanned the past two decades.

Source:

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/115608/documents/HHRG-118-GO00-20230329-SD008.pdf

EDIT - Respectfully, from the outside looking in at the comments you post here, it appears you're following a programmed toolpath quite well. My apologies for singling you out. We are all guilty of this, some more than others.

"In March of 2022, we released a report that found murder rates in 2020 were 40% higher in Trump-voting states than Biden-voting states."

Do those statistics reflect across the whole state or skewed by particular large cities in those states?

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4/27/2026 10:48pm
ToolMaker wrote:
I just read that among lower educated (high school and some college) approx 20-23% believe political violence is justified. Bu when you get to the "educated"...

I just read that among lower educated (high school and some college) approx 20-23% believe political violence is justified. Bu when you get to the "educated" folk with masters degrees, the percentage goes up to 40% believe political violence is justified.

Hmmmm, kind of makes you wonder. Being in college longer makes you more likely to approve of political violence, who knew?

TM

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I'm curious, as a toolmaker do you design and build your own tooling, or follow prints and models provided by others?You program machines to follow the...

I'm curious, as a toolmaker do you design and build your own tooling, or follow prints and models provided by others?

You program machines to follow the toolpath you tell it to. When it crashes due to a bad program or an error in the code, do you blame the machine that was cutting the part, or the programmer?

Think of us humans like machines, but we used to take a lot longer to program and condition than it does today with the technology and resources available to do so.

Well, your interpretation of my screen name is incorrect so anything that follows would also be incorrect. I, in my career was a problem solver. Companies would have me design equipment for them. Sometimes it was just adapt a previous design, sometimes entirely new concept. Prints? I drew, if they were wrong, it was on me. If something didn't move properly, like a incorrectly sized cylinder, valve, motor? That was on me. A glitch in the programming? That to was on me as I wrote the code too. One thing I'm very proud of, 100% successful machines in my career. Now, when there is a problem, over years of experience you learn to check the most obvious things first. It's not always the most obvious, but usually it is, that's why they call it most obvious. Anyway, you rule out the obvious before moving to the next possible cause. It's a process.

TM

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4/27/2026 10:57pm

You started off saying “not really affected by it” then got into an argument with three different people lol

jemcee wrote:

Argument?

One guy asked me a question

and the other called me a nut job 

Chance1216 wrote:

One guy asked me a question

and the other called me a nut job 


Sounds like the first line of a good joke. 

I didn’t call you a nut job.

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4/27/2026 11:15pm Edited Date/Time 4/27/2026 11:26pm
ToolMaker wrote:
"In March of 2022, we released a report that found murder rates in 2020 were 40% higher in Trump-voting states than Biden-voting states."Do those...

"In March of 2022, we released a report that found murder rates in 2020 were 40% higher in Trump-voting states than Biden-voting states."

Do those statistics reflect across the whole state or skewed by particular large cities in those states?

For the past 21 years, the top 10 murder rate states have been dominated by reliably red states, namely Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Missouri. Even when we removed the county with the largest city in Trump-voting states (and kept them in for Biden-voting states), murder rates were still significantly higher in these red states.

EDIT - Sounds like you've done some fun stuff. I'm in a similar boat. I design, and build things - surgical instruments, microprocessor controlled prosthetic limbs (with a crazy hydraulic cylinder in the knee I just did), CTi knee brace,  DNA extraction/sequencing machines, automated production machines (just did a machine to mold lacrosse balls), etc. Lots of problem solving, keeps the brain engaged eh? I'm sure I'd love to talk shop with ya if we crossed paths in the real world.

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4/28/2026 1:34am
Screen grab from the 'Who Is Thomas Crooks?' documentary Tucker Carlson put out a few months ago. Been waiting for a reason to post it.

Screen grab from the 'Who Is Thomas Crooks?' documentary Tucker Carlson put out a few months ago. Been waiting for a reason to post it.

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Guess you all missed the T-shirt then.

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4/28/2026 3:23am
jemcee wrote:
Why do I find it so hard to believe? A bullet from high powered gun fired from a long way away slightly grazed an ear badly...

Why do I find it so hard to believe? A bullet from high powered gun fired from a long way away slightly grazed an ear badly enough that it required a huge dressing for days but then left zero evidence of any damage.. Ear cartilage doesn't grow back

My explanations of my doubts are telling on me? What, that I question things that don't make sense to me? Oh no..

I don't think accusing a political party of exaggerating a circumstance that would benefit them in the lead up to an election is exactly a conspiracy haha

I highly doubt that you have gotten close enough to his ear to make an honest assessment of his ear. You’re like the nut jobs saying...

I highly doubt that you have gotten close enough to his ear to make an honest assessment of his ear. You’re like the nut jobs saying drones flew into the towers because they couldn’t see windows. 😂

jemcee wrote:

That's a decent thing to say to someone you've had absolutely no interactions with.. 

He’s responding to what you’re saying in here.

What else does he have to go on?

And, he’s correct in assuming you’re a bit of a Kook. 

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4/28/2026 3:23am
These type of replies, almost word for word, are all over X last night and today.As if we needed more proof that these punks are nothing...

These type of replies, almost word for word, are all over X last night and today.

As if we needed more proof that these punks are nothing more than blind followers.

rbm33 wrote:
lol unbelievable!!  What do they think happened at Butler? The secret service manipulated that kid into shooting at trump but not shooting him in the face...

lol unbelievable!!  What do they think happened at Butler? The secret service manipulated that kid into shooting at trump but not shooting him in the face, just graze his ear...  And Trump was like yea lets do this, I have complete confidence that this kid is a good enough marksman that he wont shoot my eye out....   and at the same time who cares who gets shot and killed in the background....

Anyone who believes that is truly deraigned and delusional. 

jemcee wrote:
I don't believe the actual shooting/shooter was fake but I don't really believe Trump was shot.. I'm not gonna say he wasn't hit by something but...

I don't believe the actual shooting/shooter was fake but I don't really believe Trump was shot.. I'm not gonna say he wasn't hit by something but he doesn't really talk about it (and he talks about everything), didn't release any medical reports, and Evander Holyfield still has a chunk of ear missing from a bite where Trump doesn't even seem to have a scar..  

Now my problem is they used it politically to make it seem worse.. When really, they didn't need to..   

Maybe you should try and explain to the family of Corey Comperatore that it wasn't really that bad they just made it seem worse.

Also, why should trump or anyone on his team waste one tenth of one second releasing medical records to prove to all the left wing kooks that he was shot. 

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I highly doubt that you have gotten close enough to his ear to make an honest assessment of his ear. You’re like the nut jobs saying...

I highly doubt that you have gotten close enough to his ear to make an honest assessment of his ear. You’re like the nut jobs saying drones flew into the towers because they couldn’t see windows. 😂

jemcee wrote:

That's a decent thing to say to someone you've had absolutely no interactions with.. 

TeamGreen wrote:

He’s responding to what you’re saying in here.

What else does he have to go on?

And, he’s correct in assuming you’re a bit of a Kook. 

Well to be honest you guys thinking I'm a kook or wrong has made me more sure I might be right.. 

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rbm33 wrote:
lol unbelievable!!  What do they think happened at Butler? The secret service manipulated that kid into shooting at trump but not shooting him in the face...

lol unbelievable!!  What do they think happened at Butler? The secret service manipulated that kid into shooting at trump but not shooting him in the face, just graze his ear...  And Trump was like yea lets do this, I have complete confidence that this kid is a good enough marksman that he wont shoot my eye out....   and at the same time who cares who gets shot and killed in the background....

Anyone who believes that is truly deraigned and delusional. 

jemcee wrote:
I don't believe the actual shooting/shooter was fake but I don't really believe Trump was shot.. I'm not gonna say he wasn't hit by something but...

I don't believe the actual shooting/shooter was fake but I don't really believe Trump was shot.. I'm not gonna say he wasn't hit by something but he doesn't really talk about it (and he talks about everything), didn't release any medical reports, and Evander Holyfield still has a chunk of ear missing from a bite where Trump doesn't even seem to have a scar..  

Now my problem is they used it politically to make it seem worse.. When really, they didn't need to..   

rbm33 wrote:
Maybe you should try and explain to the family of Corey Comperatore that it wasn't really that bad they just made it seem worse.Also, why should...

Maybe you should try and explain to the family of Corey Comperatore that it wasn't really that bad they just made it seem worse.

Also, why should trump or anyone on his team waste one tenth of one second releasing medical records to prove to all the left wing kooks that he was shot. 

Definitely didn't say anything of the sort.. Just said a bullet may not have hit Trump

It's good that you guys don't get emotional about all this stuff

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4/28/2026 4:17am

It would seem that another troll had immigrated over from the moto cesspool.

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It would seem that another troll had immigrated over from the moto cesspool.

Haha yes it's definitely me that's over stepping the mark with my posts.. You're suggesting I just ignore the personal insults?

Why do people come to Vital mx to spend more time in non moto anyway? 

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4/28/2026 4:54am Edited Date/Time 4/28/2026 7:42am
ToolMaker wrote:
Squatch,I probably critique your stuff because you're young and impressionable. If you're offended I'll stop. but you really need to do more critical thinking than following...

Squatch,

I probably critique your stuff because you're young and impressionable. If you're offended I'll stop. but you really need to do more critical thinking than following the herd. This theory of yours is kind of like well I'll give an example. You've often asked me why I concluded something, and I've answered you need to think for yourself and not like me. But you also need to think for yourself and not like the herd that you seem to follow.

You're in an office and you see 3 people over 10 minutes walk in with rain coats that are wet. Someone asks you is it raining outside, you think to yourself, if it were one person, it could be they walked past the sprinklers and got sprayed, 3 people, it's possible sprinklers, but why would they all have rain coats on? And the sprinkler cycle is only 5 minutes. So while you don't know that it's raining, and it's possible the sprinklers could be the culprit (if something's wrong with them), most likely not, but possible. So the available information supports it's raining, but to be fair you really don't know. However, you throw out the idea that (with no legitimate reason) a mental patient escaped from the asylum and is standing on the roof pissing on people trying to get in the building. What are you thinking?

TM

      I think You  missed my point.  Using Your analogy  It would be like me telling the person who asked me if it was...

      I think You  missed my point.  Using Your analogy  It would be like me telling the person who asked me if it was raining, that I was going to wait until I could  take a look out the window or confirm that it did indeed rain instead of assuming anything. 

 

 My point is that people  are quick to jump to conclusions that align with their own bias, tehn people take the speculation  and then stuff spreads like the old telephone game. People read it as fact instead of speculation and then extrapolate things that were not even speculated on, nevermind having been reported as facts.

 

I  posted that when even Todd Blanch was still only speculating about who the target was. Media is constantly demonized by Trump.   And that it was also a legit possibility that they could have been a target .I was  trying to show why speculation about the  target isn't a good idea and I thought that showing a reasonable plausibly other possible target  would help people see why I thought it was  a bad Idea to jump to conclusions. And by the replies I see that some people took it the way I intended. 

 

  If You can not see that both  Trump and the media as well as Democrats, are all guilty of demonizing each other , than I am sorry to say that You might just be in a herd Yourself. 

 

ToolMaker wrote:
And yet we have no history of conservatives trying to gun down the media for their lies. So while you can come up with alternate scenarios...

And yet we have no history of conservatives trying to gun down the media for their lies. So while you can come up with alternate scenarios, with no valid reason for such. When you evaluate the information available, and try to narrow down what and why, who turned out to evaluate the available information correctly?

Score board: squatch 0, TM 1

So if evaluating information, and applying past information that leads to the most logical explanation along with other people, and you interpret that as following the herd. Maybe it's leading the herd. But if we're going to put out unlikely scenarios, did you consider the possibility that it was a plumber that didn't get paid for his services and wanted to damage the hotel reputation? Because that's possible too.

TM nui

Missing the point, trolling or ???  Just want to find a win even if its at the cost of looking like You are missing the main point? Who knows, I don't. 

 Its not the alternative I gave . Its the issue of speculation  stated as or presented as facts and the damage it causes by spreading false info. 

 

That same speculation ( when it has been done during live breaking news coverage )is some of what gave Trump legit ammo to spread the "fake news" narrative. 

 

Has't it been reported that he wanted to kill as many Trump admin people as he could other than Cash Patel for some strange reason ?  Or has that changed now too?  Specifically NOT targeting  him sounds like something worth looking into.  I get it that people that get to the point of going after people with weapons have lost it by the time they make that move. But still seems odd. 

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4/28/2026 5:09am

Guess you all missed the T-shirt then.

As told by the Rump Ranger.

 

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      I think You  missed my point.  Using Your analogy  It would be like me telling the person who asked me if it was...

      I think You  missed my point.  Using Your analogy  It would be like me telling the person who asked me if it was raining, that I was going to wait until I could  take a look out the window or confirm that it did indeed rain instead of assuming anything. 

 

 My point is that people  are quick to jump to conclusions that align with their own bias, tehn people take the speculation  and then stuff spreads like the old telephone game. People read it as fact instead of speculation and then extrapolate things that were not even speculated on, nevermind having been reported as facts.

 

I  posted that when even Todd Blanch was still only speculating about who the target was. Media is constantly demonized by Trump.   And that it was also a legit possibility that they could have been a target .I was  trying to show why speculation about the  target isn't a good idea and I thought that showing a reasonable plausibly other possible target  would help people see why I thought it was  a bad Idea to jump to conclusions. And by the replies I see that some people took it the way I intended. 

 

  If You can not see that both  Trump and the media as well as Democrats, are all guilty of demonizing each other , than I am sorry to say that You might just be in a herd Yourself. 

 

ToolMaker wrote:
And yet we have no history of conservatives trying to gun down the media for their lies. So while you can come up with alternate scenarios...

And yet we have no history of conservatives trying to gun down the media for their lies. So while you can come up with alternate scenarios, with no valid reason for such. When you evaluate the information available, and try to narrow down what and why, who turned out to evaluate the available information correctly?

Score board: squatch 0, TM 1

So if evaluating information, and applying past information that leads to the most logical explanation along with other people, and you interpret that as following the herd. Maybe it's leading the herd. But if we're going to put out unlikely scenarios, did you consider the possibility that it was a plumber that didn't get paid for his services and wanted to damage the hotel reputation? Because that's possible too.

TM nui

Missing the point, trolling or ???  Just want to find a win even if its at the cost of looking like You are missing the main...

Missing the point, trolling or ???  Just want to find a win even if its at the cost of looking like You are missing the main point? Who knows, I don't. 

 Its not the alternative I gave . Its the issue of speculation  stated as or presented as facts and the damage it causes by spreading false info. 

 

That same speculation ( when it has been done during live breaking news coverage )is some of what gave Trump legit ammo to spread the "fake news" narrative. 

 

Has't it been reported that he wanted to kill as many Trump admin people as he could other than Cash Patel for some strange reason ?  Or has that changed now too?  Specifically NOT targeting  him sounds like something worth looking into.  I get it that people that get to the point of going after people with weapons have lost it by the time they make that move. But still seems odd. 

I asked that question earlier. I think people may have thought that it was a trap question or something, but I was serious. I’m truly curious why he was specifically singled out for exclusion and I’m sincerely wondering why. I can’t think of any reason why he’d be the one ‘untouchable’ on the list of this whack job. 

I’m not saying that I wish he was on the list, just really curious about the reasoning. It would make understanding the motives just a bit clearer, though, and I’m sure that investigators are going to be trying to answer it, but I think that part will get lost in the knee jerk news cycle. 

On another note, the agent in the video who the perpetrator ran by/into will probably be sitting at a desk for a while. He sure seemed to be totally uninterested in keeping his eyes on the situation until it actually, physically hit him. If he were alert and actively scanning incoming traffic, the perp wouldn’t have even made it past him. 

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4/28/2026 5:55am

Guess you all missed the T-shirt then.

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As told by the Rump Ranger.

 

Love you Michelle 😘

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4/28/2026 5:56am
T-MAC wrote:
For the past 21 years, the top 10 murder rate states have been dominated by reliably red states, namely Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Missouri. Even when...

For the past 21 years, the top 10 murder rate states have been dominated by reliably red states, namely Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Missouri. Even when we removed the county with the largest city in Trump-voting states (and kept them in for Biden-voting states), murder rates were still significantly higher in these red states.

EDIT - Sounds like you've done some fun stuff. I'm in a similar boat. I design, and build things - surgical instruments, microprocessor controlled prosthetic limbs (with a crazy hydraulic cylinder in the knee I just did), CTi knee brace,  DNA extraction/sequencing machines, automated production machines (just did a machine to mold lacrosse balls), etc. Lots of problem solving, keeps the brain engaged eh? I'm sure I'd love to talk shop with ya if we crossed paths in the real world.

Not to get off topic, but mad respect to you for creating things like that. One thing I do know is the challenges going from blank paper to working equipment. One thing that made my designs so successful was "simple is elegant". So outside mechanical things, I tend to think, with what we know so far, what's the most likely (simplest solution) answer? Of course, as more information becomes available, I could either be very wrong or on track. And sometimes, you just have to acknowledge the available information is a starting point. So while you can form an opinion from that, you have to be prepared to branch out, but if you branch out to early, you'll be trying to look in so many directions, you'll never solve the puzzle.

Just my 2 cents.

TM

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ToolMaker wrote:
And yet we have no history of conservatives trying to gun down the media for their lies. So while you can come up with alternate scenarios...

And yet we have no history of conservatives trying to gun down the media for their lies. So while you can come up with alternate scenarios, with no valid reason for such. When you evaluate the information available, and try to narrow down what and why, who turned out to evaluate the available information correctly?

Score board: squatch 0, TM 1

So if evaluating information, and applying past information that leads to the most logical explanation along with other people, and you interpret that as following the herd. Maybe it's leading the herd. But if we're going to put out unlikely scenarios, did you consider the possibility that it was a plumber that didn't get paid for his services and wanted to damage the hotel reputation? Because that's possible too.

TM nui

Missing the point, trolling or ???  Just want to find a win even if its at the cost of looking like You are missing the main...

Missing the point, trolling or ???  Just want to find a win even if its at the cost of looking like You are missing the main point? Who knows, I don't. 

 Its not the alternative I gave . Its the issue of speculation  stated as or presented as facts and the damage it causes by spreading false info. 

 

That same speculation ( when it has been done during live breaking news coverage )is some of what gave Trump legit ammo to spread the "fake news" narrative. 

 

Has't it been reported that he wanted to kill as many Trump admin people as he could other than Cash Patel for some strange reason ?  Or has that changed now too?  Specifically NOT targeting  him sounds like something worth looking into.  I get it that people that get to the point of going after people with weapons have lost it by the time they make that move. But still seems odd. 

APLMAN99 wrote:
I asked that question earlier. I think people may have thought that it was a trap question or something, but I was serious. I’m truly curious...

I asked that question earlier. I think people may have thought that it was a trap question or something, but I was serious. I’m truly curious why he was specifically singled out for exclusion and I’m sincerely wondering why. I can’t think of any reason why he’d be the one ‘untouchable’ on the list of this whack job. 

I’m not saying that I wish he was on the list, just really curious about the reasoning. It would make understanding the motives just a bit clearer, though, and I’m sure that investigators are going to be trying to answer it, but I think that part will get lost in the knee jerk news cycle. 

On another note, the agent in the video who the perpetrator ran by/into will probably be sitting at a desk for a while. He sure seemed to be totally uninterested in keeping his eyes on the situation until it actually, physically hit him. If he were alert and actively scanning incoming traffic, the perp wouldn’t have even made it past him. 

   I do hope they ( investigators) explore that part and see if there is anything to it or if it was just the random reasoning of a mad man.   It brings many questions to mind . It makes me wonder if there are other people involved in some way. I don't want to really get too far off into speculating but it sticks out as something worth looking into .  

 

As I think about my post arguing against speculation its more the jumping to  conclusions  part , Its not that I don't think that discussing reasons why somebody may think something happened is bad. I think that when somebody presents an assumption or speculation as a fact, or is not clear that they are throwing out thoughts and not factual reporting , that is bad and it helps spread false info.  

 

 Yah that was crazy,he had his back turned to the entrance and  jumped out of the way. I've been trackside taking photos and never turn my back to a live track. Seems like somebody in his position should have a similar attitude . A strange reaction for the type of people You normally see running towards the danger.  I was surprised the attacker was able to get running so fast without bringing attention to himself sooner. If it was a bind hallway I'm surprised they didn't have some sort of cameras for the people at the checkpoint to watch. 

If that was the first of multiple checkpoints, it still worked and stopped him from getting to his targets.  It was at a hotel open to the public so there had to be a point that went from open to the public to secure . While it could have gone better, it could have gone much worse.  I think overall it went very well considering what could have happened. No major injuries and the attacker is alive so there is the opportunity to try and understand the true motive better than when the  attacker gets killed. 

 

 They didn't waste anytime using the incident as a reason for building a ballroom. I can see there is a legit need for something like that. But that's another reason that they should have just followed the procedures for doing something like that.  

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T-MAC wrote:
For the past 21 years, the top 10 murder rate states have been dominated by reliably red states, namely Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Missouri. Even when...

For the past 21 years, the top 10 murder rate states have been dominated by reliably red states, namely Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Missouri. Even when we removed the county with the largest city in Trump-voting states (and kept them in for Biden-voting states), murder rates were still significantly higher in these red states.

EDIT - Sounds like you've done some fun stuff. I'm in a similar boat. I design, and build things - surgical instruments, microprocessor controlled prosthetic limbs (with a crazy hydraulic cylinder in the knee I just did), CTi knee brace,  DNA extraction/sequencing machines, automated production machines (just did a machine to mold lacrosse balls), etc. Lots of problem solving, keeps the brain engaged eh? I'm sure I'd love to talk shop with ya if we crossed paths in the real world.

ToolMaker wrote:
Not to get off topic, but mad respect to you for creating things like that. One thing I do know is the challenges going from blank...

Not to get off topic, but mad respect to you for creating things like that. One thing I do know is the challenges going from blank paper to working equipment. One thing that made my designs so successful was "simple is elegant". So outside mechanical things, I tend to think, with what we know so far, what's the most likely (simplest solution) answer? Of course, as more information becomes available, I could either be very wrong or on track. And sometimes, you just have to acknowledge the available information is a starting point. So while you can form an opinion from that, you have to be prepared to branch out, but if you branch out to early, you'll be trying to look in so many directions, you'll never solve the puzzle.

Just my 2 cents.

TM

Exactly. Analysis requires sometimes accepting information as factual despite preconceived strategies. A change in variables can drastically affects the hypothesis and outcome. Assumptions w/o evidence are often risky. 

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Trump ain't a saint himself, the rhetoric he uses against the democrats is often violent. How else did he motivated people to raid the capitol... How he made people chant "Lock her up" about Clinton. How he tried to prosecute democrats. It ain't normal to talk and treat each other like that just because you've another opinion.

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Looks like doormutt finally panhandled enough to pay his internet service provider. 

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MXMattii wrote:
Trump ain't a saint himself, the rhetoric he uses against the democrats is often violent. How else did he motivated people to raid the capitol... How...

Trump ain't a saint himself, the rhetoric he uses against the democrats is often violent. How else did he motivated people to raid the capitol... How he made people chant "Lock her up" about Clinton. How he tried to prosecute democrats. It ain't normal to talk and treat each other like that just because you've another opinion.

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T-MAC wrote:
For the past 21 years, the top 10 murder rate states have been dominated by reliably red states, namely Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Missouri. Even when...

For the past 21 years, the top 10 murder rate states have been dominated by reliably red states, namely Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Missouri. Even when we removed the county with the largest city in Trump-voting states (and kept them in for Biden-voting states), murder rates were still significantly higher in these red states.

EDIT - Sounds like you've done some fun stuff. I'm in a similar boat. I design, and build things - surgical instruments, microprocessor controlled prosthetic limbs (with a crazy hydraulic cylinder in the knee I just did), CTi knee brace,  DNA extraction/sequencing machines, automated production machines (just did a machine to mold lacrosse balls), etc. Lots of problem solving, keeps the brain engaged eh? I'm sure I'd love to talk shop with ya if we crossed paths in the real world.

ToolMaker wrote:
Not to get off topic, but mad respect to you for creating things like that. One thing I do know is the challenges going from blank...

Not to get off topic, but mad respect to you for creating things like that. One thing I do know is the challenges going from blank paper to working equipment. One thing that made my designs so successful was "simple is elegant". So outside mechanical things, I tend to think, with what we know so far, what's the most likely (simplest solution) answer? Of course, as more information becomes available, I could either be very wrong or on track. And sometimes, you just have to acknowledge the available information is a starting point. So while you can form an opinion from that, you have to be prepared to branch out, but if you branch out to early, you'll be trying to look in so many directions, you'll never solve the puzzle.

Just my 2 cents.

TM

LoudLove wrote:
Exactly. Analysis requires sometimes accepting information as factual despite preconceived strategies. A change in variables can drastically affects the hypothesis and outcome. Assumptions w/o evidence are...

Exactly. Analysis requires sometimes accepting information as factual despite preconceived strategies. A change in variables can drastically affects the hypothesis and outcome. Assumptions w/o evidence are often risky. 

Can we agree there's a difference between assumption and evaluating the information at hand and picking the most likely scenario with the limited information available, knowing that as more information becomes available, it will either confirm or change your initial evaluation? I interpret an assumption that there was no information to create the statement. IE: if I see some real ugly guy by with hot chick I might assume he must have big hands (decorum). But if I see same big ugly guy getting out of Lambo with same hot chick. Now with that info (knowing I could still be wrong) I might assess (with limited info) that one option is, he has a big wallet.

In both cases, likely wrong, but in one case, there was zero information, in the other case we start using limited information and make an assessment with what's available to us. If an aircraft came in with a distorted airframe and no other information, you'd have to check other aircraft to confirm it's not a design defect. But if you found out the pilot has a history of operating an aircraft outside of the parameters, you'd assess initially pilot damage and want to check logs to see what maneuvers were done that caused the damage. And if you could confirm that, you'd probably avoid inspections on many other aircraft.

TM

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These type of replies, almost word for word, are all over X last night and today.As if we needed more proof that these punks are nothing...

These type of replies, almost word for word, are all over X last night and today.

As if we needed more proof that these punks are nothing more than blind followers.

rbm33 wrote:
lol unbelievable!!  What do they think happened at Butler? The secret service manipulated that kid into shooting at trump but not shooting him in the face...

lol unbelievable!!  What do they think happened at Butler? The secret service manipulated that kid into shooting at trump but not shooting him in the face, just graze his ear...  And Trump was like yea lets do this, I have complete confidence that this kid is a good enough marksman that he wont shoot my eye out....   and at the same time who cares who gets shot and killed in the background....

Anyone who believes that is truly deraigned and delusional. 

jemcee wrote:
I don't believe the actual shooting/shooter was fake but I don't really believe Trump was shot.. I'm not gonna say he wasn't hit by something but...

I don't believe the actual shooting/shooter was fake but I don't really believe Trump was shot.. I'm not gonna say he wasn't hit by something but he doesn't really talk about it (and he talks about everything), didn't release any medical reports, and Evander Holyfield still has a chunk of ear missing from a bite where Trump doesn't even seem to have a scar..  

Now my problem is they used it politically to make it seem worse.. When really, they didn't need to..   

I don't really believe Trump was shot.”

Period 

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So, if this one was staged, someone had to talk the officer into taking one to the chest fired by a running school teacher that lives with his mom.

That's some serious negotiating right there.

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rbm33 wrote:
lol unbelievable!!  What do they think happened at Butler? The secret service manipulated that kid into shooting at trump but not shooting him in the face...

lol unbelievable!!  What do they think happened at Butler? The secret service manipulated that kid into shooting at trump but not shooting him in the face, just graze his ear...  And Trump was like yea lets do this, I have complete confidence that this kid is a good enough marksman that he wont shoot my eye out....   and at the same time who cares who gets shot and killed in the background....

Anyone who believes that is truly deraigned and delusional. 

jemcee wrote:
I don't believe the actual shooting/shooter was fake but I don't really believe Trump was shot.. I'm not gonna say he wasn't hit by something but...

I don't believe the actual shooting/shooter was fake but I don't really believe Trump was shot.. I'm not gonna say he wasn't hit by something but he doesn't really talk about it (and he talks about everything), didn't release any medical reports, and Evander Holyfield still has a chunk of ear missing from a bite where Trump doesn't even seem to have a scar..  

Now my problem is they used it politically to make it seem worse.. When really, they didn't need to..   

TeamGreen wrote:

I don't really believe Trump was shot.”

Period 

It’s AI BRO!!!! 

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Looks like doormutt finally panhandled enough to pay his internet service provider. 

You are a symptom of what is happening, people who think differently are the enemy. Who learned you that, your great leader?

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Looks like doormutt finally panhandled enough to pay his internet service provider. 

MXMattii wrote:

You are a symptom of what is happening, people who think differently are the enemy. Who learned you that, your great leader?

You lack self-awareness. 

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ToolMaker wrote:
Not to get off topic, but mad respect to you for creating things like that. One thing I do know is the challenges going from blank...

Not to get off topic, but mad respect to you for creating things like that. One thing I do know is the challenges going from blank paper to working equipment. One thing that made my designs so successful was "simple is elegant". So outside mechanical things, I tend to think, with what we know so far, what's the most likely (simplest solution) answer? Of course, as more information becomes available, I could either be very wrong or on track. And sometimes, you just have to acknowledge the available information is a starting point. So while you can form an opinion from that, you have to be prepared to branch out, but if you branch out to early, you'll be trying to look in so many directions, you'll never solve the puzzle.

Just my 2 cents.

TM

LoudLove wrote:
Exactly. Analysis requires sometimes accepting information as factual despite preconceived strategies. A change in variables can drastically affects the hypothesis and outcome. Assumptions w/o evidence are...

Exactly. Analysis requires sometimes accepting information as factual despite preconceived strategies. A change in variables can drastically affects the hypothesis and outcome. Assumptions w/o evidence are often risky. 

ToolMaker wrote:
Can we agree there's a difference between assumption and evaluating the information at hand and picking the most likely scenario with the limited information available, knowing...

Can we agree there's a difference between assumption and evaluating the information at hand and picking the most likely scenario with the limited information available, knowing that as more information becomes available, it will either confirm or change your initial evaluation? I interpret an assumption that there was no information to create the statement. IE: if I see some real ugly guy by with hot chick I might assume he must have big hands (decorum). But if I see same big ugly guy getting out of Lambo with same hot chick. Now with that info (knowing I could still be wrong) I might assess (with limited info) that one option is, he has a big wallet.

In both cases, likely wrong, but in one case, there was zero information, in the other case we start using limited information and make an assessment with what's available to us. If an aircraft came in with a distorted airframe and no other information, you'd have to check other aircraft to confirm it's not a design defect. But if you found out the pilot has a history of operating an aircraft outside of the parameters, you'd assess initially pilot damage and want to check logs to see what maneuvers were done that caused the damage. And if you could confirm that, you'd probably avoid inspections on many other aircraft.

TM

I LOL’d at “decorum”…

As for whether did he/didn’t he get hit:  I had a minuscule Mesquite thorn prick my left ear while doing yard work and you would have thought a major artery was severed. Literally was unaware until my left shoulder felt wet. My wife thought I’d gone Mano a Mano with a raccoon. 

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MXMattii wrote:

You are a symptom of what is happening, people who think differently are the enemy. Who learned you that, your great leader?

vet323 wrote:

You lack self-awareness. 

Hello pot, meet kettle 

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