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Everything says they're going stateside in 27', 28 at the latest.
It would be a mistake to wait too long.
Herlings should’ve moved up after 3, 4 years max on a 250, not after 7 years which I think it was for him. Kenny went pro a year before Herlings and was on a 450 in 2014, Herlings should’ve moved up a year after him.
so then Davies counts as a US talent? SMX/Goat Farm developed
Fast forward 2-3 years - who is going to be on your MXoN team?
Look at the top ten from last year's motocross results in the 250 and 450 class.
4 of the top ten in 450's weren't from the US, including the top 2 guys. The American riders were Eli, Justin Cooper, AP, RJ, Stewart and Barcia. Eli and Barcia won't be around then. Stewart is 33, AP is 30, RJ is 30, JCoop is 28; the main reason any of them will still have factory rides in 2-3 years is because there's almost no 250 talent forcing their way up. You will have Deegan and goodness knows where Chase will be (literally and metaphorically). I expect Prado to perform way better outdoors this year and if the Coenen's come in the next year or two Deegan could well be the only American rider fighting for a top 5 position.
250's are worse. Take out Deegan, Shimoda, Vialle and Haarup and you are left with Marchbanks, Kitchen, Hammaker, Vohland, Jordan Smith and Ryder D. Those guys can barely string two good motos together. Marchbanks and Smith have moved up to 450's. Hymas is good if he can stay injury free.
I have no idea if it's a result of the system or just a statistical anomaly but most of the best riders in the world right now aren't coming from the US.
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Marchbanks and Kitchen dog walked Vialle all summer
Using Vialle as a measuring stick, there are a handful of US 250 riders that could go win an MXGP if they wanted to.
Ha! Sure... what's stopping them?
An HRC golden parachute
Did they? Did Marchbanks even get on the podium all summer? (actually just once).
Kitchen got a bunch of 3rds.
Vialle finished 2nd a handful of times.
What stopped the twins from coming and racing Southwick last year?
Using Vialle as a measuring stick there's a bunch of MX2 riders that could come over and bag a few 250SX titles.
So why don’t they?
No idea. Seems like you're implying that a top 5-8 250 guy in the US makes more money than a title contender for MX2.
Wow. Thats an aggressive take, but hard to argue with.
No one.
Agreed. And it still gets my goat that Herlings always includes his 250 GP wins in his overall wins count. Pisses off Cairoli too...
Historically a lot have - Pichon, Roncada, Langston, Townley, Pourcel, Musquin, Roczen, Ferrandis, Vialle.
The fact they are contracted to race an entirely different series...
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I dont know how certain it is that the Coenen's come to the US. But at this point Lucas would be coming over here as a 450 rider right? Even if he doesn't win the MXGP title, he looks too good on a 450 to drop back down to a 250 even for sx. Kinda nuts to jump to a 450 for sx but Prado is looking good so we're watching it currently work. Sasha in sx will be scary. Damn does that kid crash
Whose MXDN team will look great in 2-3 years? Belgium looks good but very top heavy. Australia has the Lawerence's and HRC throwing Webster a bone but are the most top heavy team out there. Germany has no replacement for Roczen. France who seemingly have had the second strongest pipeline in the sport for decades has dried up quite a bit. Vialle has stepped up but he was already on that team. The Dutch are nearly aged out with this generation too. The British who would over achieve at the MxDN are a shell of their former self. Nearly every other team has the same issues has the US team but magnified.
Send any of those boys over to race a SX season and see how they stack up. They'll be getting passed by Friese lmao
I dont know if its fair to day Belguim is very top heavy. I was at Ironman and Everts was very solid on the 450. Belguim is going to be a serious problem going forward even for Australia
I get his point, Prodo, Roczen, both Lawrence's.
That's 4 of the top 6, vialle went back home.
So help me if someone says Lawrence's are Aussie, yes they are, but the learnt to ride more recently in Europe.
Anyway it's the USA verses the world isn't it!
How much did Simon or Kay make last year? McAdoo probably made more than them with the 3 races he raced last year
They had four elite guys, Greets it seems took himself out of that equation and now they have 3. It’s a three man team. If they’re all healthy they will be a serious problem for years. If they lose one there path gets much harder. They don’t have a Lawerence/HRC thing going where a guy gets a factory Honda and gets to train for a month straight.
I think Cairoli should be glad that herlings stayed in mx2 for so long......otherwise he would never have won so much and won so many titles
Herlings should have moved up in 14, 15 at the latest. I don’t see Herlings beating that AC in 2014 He was too polished he dominated the first 3/4 of the season and then backed off in 13 and 14. Which as a AC fan you always felt like he gave race wins away but he never gave titles away. His 14 MxDN injury derailed Tony more than competition did, and after that he became fairly injury prone. 2015 is where Herlings screwed up staying down. But as you said you don’t think Tony would have won so many titles. He only won one more title post 2014 knee injury. Besides Herlings is not exactly known for racking up 450 titles. He has two and this is his tenth season. You could say Febvre and Gajser were the “benefactors” but 3/4 of Gajsers titles came after 2017 and Febvre just won his second well into the “Herlings/Gajser” era.
Yup, Herlings should’ve moved up a lot sooner, I believe he did 7 seasons on the 250 whereas the elite guys in the ama are racing 3 years on a 250, maybe 4. Eli, Kenny, Barcia, RV, Stew, all did 3 years in sx, while Eli and Barcia did 4 years on a 250 outdoors. Herlings was one year behind Kenny going pro, Jeffrey should’ve moved up in ‘15 imo. If you’re going pro and winning at 15 like Kenny and Jeffrey, you don’t stay on a 250 for ages lol
So was Herlings, but that didn't stop him from going to Ironman and making a statement. Very few as bold as him though.
KTM knew they had both classes and paid Herlings very well to stay down.
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