So the Europen leaders had a video conference call. How to open the Straight with "diplomacy". So what exactly have they been doing in their dealings with Iran in the last half century? It's either appeasement, their version of "diplomacy" or sticking their head in the sand doing nothing at all. What exactly do they think they will accomplish different? They have relied on the US for so long, sat back and whined, "the US is abusing it's power". Now they're going to learn, sometimes you need to use the stick because the US will not jump front and center to solve their problems if they don't help their own cause first.
"During an interview with Bloomberg on Wednesday, NATO Supreme Allied Commander for Transformation Admiral Pierre Vandier said that in the decades after the Cold War, “the Europeans have been, somehow, the free riders of their own security. Today, there is a great change, and now, we need to ramp up in all domains” and that they should do so to make sure they can make do with a smaller U.S. force because the United States has other commitments.
Vandier said, “[T]he U.S. [has] other priorities. They are not only focused on Europe, and the crisis in Iran is a good demonstration of what is said. So, it’s a moment for Europe to stand up and to do largely more than they have been admitted to — they did before. During the post-Cold War decades, the Europeans have been, somehow, the free riders of their own security. Today, there is a great change, and now, we need to ramp up in all domains and to be able, not to do without the U.S., but, largely, with a smaller force of the U.S., given the other commitments these U.S. forces have over the world.”
TM
When was the last time the strait of hormuz was closed?
Why would you focus on only one of their terror activities?
Trump says he's going to cut and run and it's the rest of the world's problem to open the strait, why wouldn't you focus on that?
the war of trump's choice has consequences and he's going to try to TACO out of it, and then blame everyone else for the problems he created
shocker!
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The eternal victim. Pathetic. I’m embarrassed to have trusted this fucking moron at all. Drain the swamp didn’t happen. He is the fucking swamp.
Is diplomacy not just another word for making a deal?
The nice thing is that the last time we were sold a fake story about WMD's, we definitely found lots of them and there weren't any gnarly repercussions down the road, so I'm sure it will be fine. It's almost like there are some really short memories out there. Almost.
"TACO" Trump Always Conquers Others
Nice acronym
So your basing what needs to be done in the present and future on an a single thing they could have done along with the many things they actually did in the past?
TM
this is pathetic, even for someone like you
Would make for a pretty good hat, right?
Do you have a point?
Yes
You're in deep bud.
My god, the beta whining in here just oozes with estrogen. smh
All you trump derangement syndrome guys have brains that are so fried you can't even hold a coherent thought or conversation.
Yes, we want nothing to do to with your retarded wars that only make us poorer, kill our friends and family and send millions of displaced people our way.
Pit Row
Those that fail to study history are doomed to repeat it.
When The West & the Soviets installed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as the Shah in ‘41/WWII & later are said to have initiated the ‘53 coup d’tat and the ‘54 Consortium Agreement…again…all considered western political manipulation of the Iranian oil industry…
All of that is at the root of how the Islamic Revolution took place and shit went downhill in ‘79.
Hence, Western Culpability.
Yet, now…”The West”…especially The British who were at the heart of all of this…now…
They’re not interested in addressing the mess the created.
Oh, and, Yes! We, the U.S. …we were & are a part of The West.
And yet you want our help in Ukraine, hmm
I don’t give a fuck about Ukraine either.
I think the average American who signs up to their military deserves much more respect than to be sent to die on the other side of the world for Israeli by the criminally incompetent pedophilic idiots in the US government.
Good for you
Christ it’s like trying to argue with toddlers. I’m so sick of reading this kind of bollocks.
Yes, Europe has (especially since 2000) underinvested in defense. Something that’s rapidly being turned around right now, but that’s a fucking lot harder to do when your economy is shaky from two major global events outside your control and your biggest ally slaps tariffs on you. Even if 94% of the British public wasn’t against getting involved in Iran, we are dealing with a massive conflict in Europe against a far bigger enemy than the Iranians so we can’t afford to get into a second fight.
On Ukraine, you’ve put nothing in since January last year. Weapons going to Ukraine are being funded by Europe and purchased from US gov, not donated. I’m sure Ukraine would love some help from the country that promised to stand by them, I’m sure some of their drone expertise would be much appreciated right now by countries in the Middle East who are dealing with the Iranians lashing out at everyone…
Lastly, let’s stop pretending that US dominance in NATO hasn’t helped the US out. There’s been heavy British involvement in the F35 programme for a long time, most European countries buy massive amounts of kit from US manufacturers. As I said, yeah we didn’t put enough in for a while and that’s on us but this attitude of ‘freeloading’ is fucking bullshit.
Iran is a war you started against advice of your allies, with no clear objective, no clear end and constant shifting messaging. When you were attacked we went to Afghanistan with you, prior to that we went into Iraq with you (twice). Not to mention Serbia/Bosnia/Kosovo. We left brothers and sisters in that shit alongside your boys and girls. Things ebb and flow, alliances change and adapt. Stop trying to lash out and blame everyone else for a war you were told in advance no-one else thought was a good idea. NATO is a defensive alliance, it’s not there to go starting fights.
I bet they were more than surprised when they learned that iran had ballistic missile systems that could reach everywhere in the European mainland, perhaps even London.
(Once they realized Diego Garcia was within their reach)
You'd think now, more than ever, they'd be thankful for the military support we've been "lending" them all these decades since the end of WW2. And would do, at least, their fair share in ensuring the flow of shipping through hormuz.
The surrounding Arab states damn sure appreciate our actions.
Yeah according to iran originally they didnt have a missile that could make it Diego. That there best is 1,300 miles. Now not only have they shown they have it but publicly confirmed it.
So for those that need a more visual of what this missile can do.
The guess right now is it can travel around 6,000 miles say they can only used at 66% of that distance. Thats 4,000 miles away.
Tehran to Diego 2,400 miles.
Tehran to Loch Ness Scotland 2,900 miles
Tehran to Tokyo 4,400 miles
Tehran to DC 6,300 miles
NYC 6,200 miles
Atlanta 6,900 miles give or take 69 miles
Think about that though right now that missile at 66% distance easily makes it past the UK, Ireland and into Scotland.
I don’t know if you’ve seen this program called “The NEWS” before?
The "news" huh ???
Okay guys, who's going to tell jerry about the television "news" ??
C’mon, JB. You can do better than that!
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Surprised that nobody really cares that the language the president is using is a declaration of crime. So much for words-matter and law-and-order.
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