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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 7:02pm
Every year I get sucked into the SX hype and hold out the hope that this year will be awesome. However, come A1, I am left wanting.

Once again the guy that gets the Holeshot runs away and we are left watching battles for third, fourth and fifth. What do we need to do to see some EPIC racing? Well I will tell you.

We need to award Championship points for qualifying position, laps led, fastest lap and even the Holeshot. However, the gate positions will be reverse order. If you qualify 1st you will receive the most championship points for qualifying but receive last gate pick. By doing this we ensure that we see epic battles. The fastest guys will have to either pull miracle holeshots or work their way through the pack. Can you imagine seeing Stewart, Reed and Dungey have to work their way forward through the pack every race.
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Blake 1/9/2011 10:09am
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Passing Points including, JS7 would have the lead in points.

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Only four months until the Outdoor Nationals start!
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72kiteboarder wrote:
Every year I get sucked into the SX hype and hold out the hope that this year will be awesome. However, come A1, I am left...
Every year I get sucked into the SX hype and hold out the hope that this year will be awesome. However, come A1, I am left wanting.

Once again the guy that gets the Holeshot runs away and we are left watching battles for third, fourth and fifth. What do we need to do to see some EPIC racing? Well I will tell you.

We need to award Championship points for qualifying position, laps led, fastest lap and even the Holeshot. However, the gate positions will be reverse order. If you qualify 1st you will receive the most championship points for qualifying but receive last gate pick. By doing this we ensure that we see epic battles. The fastest guys will have to either pull miracle holeshots or work their way through the pack. Can you imagine seeing Stewart, Reed and Dungey have to work their way forward through the pack every race.
I have said that or similar for years

There should be points for fastest day qualifier (timed), win a night qualifier, holeshot main, fastest lap in main, most laps led in main, and "hard charger" for most riders passed in main.

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jndmx 1/9/2011 10:14am
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It's a race......if you get a good start that is going to help you.
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Stewart and Reed both come from like 15th and finish near the front?

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72kiteboarder 1/9/2011 10:17am
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It's a race......if you get a good start that is going to help you. Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Stewart and Reed both...
It's a race......if you get a good start that is going to help you.
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Stewart and Reed both come from like 15th and finish near the front?
Yes, and that was the best part of the race.
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And Canard went from around 12th or 13th to 3rd (and then passed to finish 4th). Trey had a great run even if he cost me a gay avatar!
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72kiteboarder wrote:
Every year I get sucked into the SX hype and hold out the hope that this year will be awesome. However, come A1, I am left...
Every year I get sucked into the SX hype and hold out the hope that this year will be awesome. However, come A1, I am left wanting.

Once again the guy that gets the Holeshot runs away and we are left watching battles for third, fourth and fifth. What do we need to do to see some EPIC racing? Well I will tell you.

We need to award Championship points for qualifying position, laps led, fastest lap and even the Holeshot. However, the gate positions will be reverse order. If you qualify 1st you will receive the most championship points for qualifying but receive last gate pick. By doing this we ensure that we see epic battles. The fastest guys will have to either pull miracle holeshots or work their way through the pack. Can you imagine seeing Stewart, Reed and Dungey have to work their way forward through the pack every race.
Dumbest shit ever. Let's penalize the fastest riders by giving them a bad gate pick. And let's make James have to put Passes on the slower guys that could get then hurt. Come on man. Do you even ride? And passing points??? What??? Huh??? Passing is part of racing. Part of being up front. RV passed every rider off the start. And he held on for the win. What happens when someone starts last, comes back and gets second? He gets points for second and 1 or 2 points for each rider he passes, suddenly, he is the real winner? I'm sorry but a race is a race. The fast guys are fast because they are fast penalizing them makes no since. The race is every ride against every rider. Who ever finishes the 20 laps in the fastest time wins the race and the most points.
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mcphilly 1/9/2011 10:20am
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leave it the way it is and start building some better tracks ... that track last night sucked
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No big names got hurt, and several guys had to come through the pack... I don't see the problem? There are a bunch more races to go....
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jonesaustin 1/9/2011 10:21am
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I think one of the primary reasons is due to how the tracks are so dialed in by the riders. Youtube something from the 80's - it looks more like an outdoor course inside, in that it's less predictable. I definitely love the technical aspect of a Supercross track design, and they've always had that, but now the predictability for the riders and audience has robbed a lot of the original wild side chaos from the earlier days. Add into that, that the new four stroke machinery just races different. Bombers more than Fighters. Then again there have been some killer races in the last few years so all these innovations are a compelling piece of the modern scene, but "something" just isn't there anymore. I say, track innovation is the best way to address the problem, although not entirely.

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72kiteboarder 1/9/2011 10:21am
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72kiteboarder wrote:
Every year I get sucked into the SX hype and hold out the hope that this year will be awesome. However, come A1, I am left...
Every year I get sucked into the SX hype and hold out the hope that this year will be awesome. However, come A1, I am left wanting.

Once again the guy that gets the Holeshot runs away and we are left watching battles for third, fourth and fifth. What do we need to do to see some EPIC racing? Well I will tell you.

We need to award Championship points for qualifying position, laps led, fastest lap and even the Holeshot. However, the gate positions will be reverse order. If you qualify 1st you will receive the most championship points for qualifying but receive last gate pick. By doing this we ensure that we see epic battles. The fastest guys will have to either pull miracle holeshots or work their way through the pack. Can you imagine seeing Stewart, Reed and Dungey have to work their way forward through the pack every race.
bama205 wrote:
Dumbest shit ever. Let's penalize the fastest riders by giving them a bad gate pick. And let's make James have to put Passes on the slower...
Dumbest shit ever. Let's penalize the fastest riders by giving them a bad gate pick. And let's make James have to put Passes on the slower guys that could get then hurt. Come on man. Do you even ride? And passing points??? What??? Huh??? Passing is part of racing. Part of being up front. RV passed every rider off the start. And he held on for the win. What happens when someone starts last, comes back and gets second? He gets points for second and 1 or 2 points for each rider he passes, suddenly, he is the real winner? I'm sorry but a race is a race. The fast guys are fast because they are fast penalizing them makes no since. The race is every ride against every rider. Who ever finishes the 20 laps in the fastest time wins the race and the most points.
And give them the MOST championship points.
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crewshin 1/9/2011 10:21am
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I like this part...

"If you qualify 1st you will receive the most championship points for qualifying but receive last gate pick. By doing this we ensure that we see epic battles. The fastest guys will have to either pull miracle holeshots or work their way through the pack."

Kind of like how sprints and midgets invert the start based on qualifying. I also think they should stop doing the press days and letting the top guys ride the track before everyone else. It's only giving them more speed come race day... making it easier for them to check out.

... that's on top of the money they make, the parts they get, the flights they receive, unobtainable goods they use, etc... compared to the real privateer's. Oh and for the record, Reed isn't a privateer. It sucks that he's going to take the top privateer award this year.

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rgmx-49 1/9/2011 10:23am
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Outsider wrote:
No big names got hurt, and several guys had to come through the pack... I don't see the problem? There are a bunch more races to...
No big names got hurt, and several guys had to come through the pack... I don't see the problem? There are a bunch more races to go....
what he said.
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Hank_Thrill 1/9/2011 10:26am
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logic should tell you that changing the POINTS SYSTEM won't make the racing any closer.



I'm pretty sure if they were all on 250cc two-stokes the racing would be extremely close, because the top ten guys would be running the bikes wide open, aggressively, and it would be much like restrictor plate racing in Nascar. Some may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one... We all hear pros talk about how slow the two-stroke 250cc are after they ride them. Just imagine if the big five didn't have the extra horsepower that only they utilize in pulling huge gaps on the rest of the field?
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I have been thinking for a long time that many of you guys don't like watching races anymore.
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aFACEdismembered 1/9/2011 10:39am
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You people that expect a race for first at every round are shit brains crazy. It's racing. You get what you get. That's why you tune in and watch every week because you have no idea what is going to happen. We had a room of 6 guys yelling and cheering every time someone made a pass it seemed... I guess we love good racecraft (passing, defending, controlling gaps) and it doesn't matter what position it was for. If it's for first it's just a plus. My dumb ass was even pulling for Tedesco to get a podium for the first few laps.
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toroP 1/9/2011 10:43am
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crewshin wrote:
I like this part... "If you qualify 1st you will receive the most championship points for qualifying but receive last gate pick. By doing this we...
I like this part...

"If you qualify 1st you will receive the most championship points for qualifying but receive last gate pick. By doing this we ensure that we see epic battles. The fastest guys will have to either pull miracle holeshots or work their way through the pack."

Kind of like how sprints and midgets invert the start based on qualifying. I also think they should stop doing the press days and letting the top guys ride the track before everyone else. It's only giving them more speed come race day... making it easier for them to check out.

... that's on top of the money they make, the parts they get, the flights they receive, unobtainable goods they use, etc... compared to the real privateer's. Oh and for the record, Reed isn't a privateer. It sucks that he's going to take the top privateer award this year.

Reed is a privateer. He pays for what he's got. He's just a very rich privateer.Smile
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It has been this way for years-nothing has changed in mx or sx. A guy gets a good start and he has an advantage and so he should. The cream will always rise to the top-always has and always will.

If everyone stays healthy we will see great racing all year long-right thru the entire pack. I thought the racing was excellent in every way.

The only thing I hate is timed qualifying for the outdoors where you hold your gate pick for the 2nd moto regardless of how you finished the first moto. NOW, that sucks balls.

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crewshin 1/9/2011 10:54am
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crewshin wrote:
I like this part... "If you qualify 1st you will receive the most championship points for qualifying but receive last gate pick. By doing this we...
I like this part...

"If you qualify 1st you will receive the most championship points for qualifying but receive last gate pick. By doing this we ensure that we see epic battles. The fastest guys will have to either pull miracle holeshots or work their way through the pack."

Kind of like how sprints and midgets invert the start based on qualifying. I also think they should stop doing the press days and letting the top guys ride the track before everyone else. It's only giving them more speed come race day... making it easier for them to check out.

... that's on top of the money they make, the parts they get, the flights they receive, unobtainable goods they use, etc... compared to the real privateer's. Oh and for the record, Reed isn't a privateer. It sucks that he's going to take the top privateer award this year.

toroP wrote:
Reed is a privateer. He pays for what he's got. He's just a very rich privateer.Smile
Whatever you say dude.

I'm not baggin on the guy btw. I actually gained a fair bit of respect for him with all this. But one thing I can tell you is that he did NOT pay for everything.

It's all about the connections... and Reed has some connections.
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JACK_Schit 1/9/2011 10:58am
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72kiteboarder wrote:
Every year I get sucked into the SX hype and hold out the hope that this year will be awesome. However, come A1, I am left...
Every year I get sucked into the SX hype and hold out the hope that this year will be awesome. However, come A1, I am left wanting.

Once again the guy that gets the Holeshot runs away and we are left watching battles for third, fourth and fifth. What do we need to do to see some EPIC racing? Well I will tell you.

We need to award Championship points for qualifying position, laps led, fastest lap and even the Holeshot. However, the gate positions will be reverse order. If you qualify 1st you will receive the most championship points for qualifying but receive last gate pick. By doing this we ensure that we see epic battles. The fastest guys will have to either pull miracle holeshots or work their way through the pack. Can you imagine seeing Stewart, Reed and Dungey have to work their way forward through the pack every race.
Are you serious? you want to manipulate the outcome of a motocross races. So many people have the answers to EVERY THING......
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Call me a Cro-Magnon, but I kind of like to see 'em line up and race, and the winner gets the most points, second gets a few less, third less and so on. When Nascar started trying to manipulate the point system to make things more dramatic, mostly what they wound up with was a bunch of baloney manipulation.
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lucero10x 1/9/2011 11:45am
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72kiteboarder wrote:
Every year I get sucked into the SX hype and hold out the hope that this year will be awesome. However, come A1, I am left...
Every year I get sucked into the SX hype and hold out the hope that this year will be awesome. However, come A1, I am left wanting.

Once again the guy that gets the Holeshot runs away and we are left watching battles for third, fourth and fifth. What do we need to do to see some EPIC racing? Well I will tell you.

We need to award Championship points for qualifying position, laps led, fastest lap and even the Holeshot. However, the gate positions will be reverse order. If you qualify 1st you will receive the most championship points for qualifying but receive last gate pick. By doing this we ensure that we see epic battles. The fastest guys will have to either pull miracle holeshots or work their way through the pack. Can you imagine seeing Stewart, Reed and Dungey have to work their way forward through the pack every race.
Maybe it's time to follow a new sport.
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MX558 1/9/2011 11:48am
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72kiteboarder wrote:
Every year I get sucked into the SX hype and hold out the hope that this year will be awesome. However, come A1, I am left...
Every year I get sucked into the SX hype and hold out the hope that this year will be awesome. However, come A1, I am left wanting.

Once again the guy that gets the Holeshot runs away and we are left watching battles for third, fourth and fifth. What do we need to do to see some EPIC racing? Well I will tell you.

We need to award Championship points for qualifying position, laps led, fastest lap and even the Holeshot. However, the gate positions will be reverse order. If you qualify 1st you will receive the most championship points for qualifying but receive last gate pick. By doing this we ensure that we see epic battles. The fastest guys will have to either pull miracle holeshots or work their way through the pack. Can you imagine seeing Stewart, Reed and Dungey have to work their way forward through the pack every race.
bama205 wrote:
Dumbest shit ever. Let's penalize the fastest riders by giving them a bad gate pick. And let's make James have to put Passes on the slower...
Dumbest shit ever. Let's penalize the fastest riders by giving them a bad gate pick. And let's make James have to put Passes on the slower guys that could get then hurt. Come on man. Do you even ride? And passing points??? What??? Huh??? Passing is part of racing. Part of being up front. RV passed every rider off the start. And he held on for the win. What happens when someone starts last, comes back and gets second? He gets points for second and 1 or 2 points for each rider he passes, suddenly, he is the real winner? I'm sorry but a race is a race. The fast guys are fast because they are fast penalizing them makes no since. The race is every ride against every rider. Who ever finishes the 20 laps in the fastest time wins the race and the most points.
Excellent point, I swear most of these retards don't f**king ride
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rgmx-49 1/9/2011 11:51am
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seriously stop being so greedy and be thankful that all top five finished the race and are healthy for ready next week.
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So I must be the only one who enjoyed the races. People will complain about anything. Lets just make it WWF racing.
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crewshin wrote:
I like this part... "If you qualify 1st you will receive the most championship points for qualifying but receive last gate pick. By doing this we...
I like this part...

"If you qualify 1st you will receive the most championship points for qualifying but receive last gate pick. By doing this we ensure that we see epic battles. The fastest guys will have to either pull miracle holeshots or work their way through the pack."

Kind of like how sprints and midgets invert the start based on qualifying. I also think they should stop doing the press days and letting the top guys ride the track before everyone else. It's only giving them more speed come race day... making it easier for them to check out.

... that's on top of the money they make, the parts they get, the flights they receive, unobtainable goods they use, etc... compared to the real privateer's. Oh and for the record, Reed isn't a privateer. It sucks that he's going to take the top privateer award this year.

I also think they should stop doing the press days and letting the top guys ride the track before everyone else. It's only giving them more speed come race day... making it easier for them to check out.

Especially now they seem to have started wearing helmet cams, which you can only assume helps them to learn the track layout!
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crewshin 1/9/2011 12:08pm
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[i]I also think they should stop doing the press days and letting the top guys ride the track before everyone else. It's only giving them more...
I also think they should stop doing the press days and letting the top guys ride the track before everyone else. It's only giving them more speed come race day... making it easier for them to check out.

Especially now they seem to have started wearing helmet cams, which you can only assume helps them to learn the track layout!
Exactly!! I'm glad someone else picked up on that!
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JB 19 1/9/2011 12:09pm
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logic should tell you that changing the POINTS SYSTEM won't make the racing any closer. I'm pretty sure if they were all on 250cc two-stokes the...
logic should tell you that changing the POINTS SYSTEM won't make the racing any closer.



I'm pretty sure if they were all on 250cc two-stokes the racing would be extremely close, because the top ten guys would be running the bikes wide open, aggressively, and it would be much like restrictor plate racing in Nascar. Some may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one... We all hear pros talk about how slow the two-stroke 250cc are after they ride them. Just imagine if the big five didn't have the extra horsepower that only they utilize in pulling huge gaps on the rest of the field?
Because the racing was so close back when everyone was on 2 strokes...........? So now the top guys are so fast because of their bikes? With out sounding like a total dick, I will say that 2 strokes are much harder to ride. That means the few guys with elite talent will separate themselves even further from the pack.

Your theory is the opposite of reality.
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bama205 1/9/2011 12:36pm
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
logic should tell you that changing the POINTS SYSTEM won't make the racing any closer. I'm pretty sure if they were all on 250cc two-stokes the...
logic should tell you that changing the POINTS SYSTEM won't make the racing any closer.



I'm pretty sure if they were all on 250cc two-stokes the racing would be extremely close, because the top ten guys would be running the bikes wide open, aggressively, and it would be much like restrictor plate racing in Nascar. Some may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one... We all hear pros talk about how slow the two-stroke 250cc are after they ride them. Just imagine if the big five didn't have the extra horsepower that only they utilize in pulling huge gaps on the rest of the field?
See 1993-2000.
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Hank_Thrill wrote:
logic should tell you that changing the POINTS SYSTEM won't make the racing any closer. I'm pretty sure if they were all on 250cc two-stokes the...
logic should tell you that changing the POINTS SYSTEM won't make the racing any closer.



I'm pretty sure if they were all on 250cc two-stokes the racing would be extremely close, because the top ten guys would be running the bikes wide open, aggressively, and it would be much like restrictor plate racing in Nascar. Some may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one... We all hear pros talk about how slow the two-stroke 250cc are after they ride them. Just imagine if the big five didn't have the extra horsepower that only they utilize in pulling huge gaps on the rest of the field?
I also think 4strokes has made racing quite different. The hook up so well and are so predictable that everyone choose the tightest line in corners. IN SX the made it go insane fast and look and sound like excitbike I used to play on the really old nintendo.

I don't find excitbike very entertaining...

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