Edited Date/Time
3/23/2026 6:21pm
Will people declare Trump personally responsible for these casualties in this war of choice the way that they blamed Biden for the 13 Service members killed in the pullout from Afghanistan?
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To be fair, it's either literally impossible, or virtually impossible, for a president or congressmember to exist in their positions without killing someone. Even if they all somehow did nothing, they're killing people through inaction. Not to trivialize it, or minimize it, or excuse it, thousand of people die with every one tenth of one percent of unemployment, so that pulls all monetary related policy into the mix. When we have a country of this size, everything is full of unintended consequences.
Jeez Apple dude as soon as you moved away from Texas and back to the PacWest you went back full Lefty and starting threads non stop expressing as such.
Even Byke is no Trumper but can see the reality of how things work and is pragmatic as such.
Marinate on that my good man
Did these 13 lose thier lives because an incompetent administration decided to evacuate all in-country personnel from a major public unsecured airport in a failing nation? (Bagram Air Base was VERY SECURE, btw).
The worst part, is the extremely poor attempt to compare a successful military campaign to a diplomatic fail.
No worries. This is par for course.
Btw, how many successful sorties, ops and military objectives have been accomplished during Epic Fury compared to ANYTHING “Biden”?
How many BILLIONS did Biden & Obama give to that IRGC led nation?
If the diplomatic efforts of Obama/Biden were so successful, then…why did (does?) the Iranians have 460 Kilos of 60% enriched uranium?
What’s in the Iranian charter about killing all non-believers?
Why do you always side with “Fail”?!
Just curious, you don't think the current administration is incompetent too?
We have a shitty business man/ex television personality running our country, born from a golden spoon.
We have an ex television personality running our department of war.
I found this reddit thread an interesting read on his military credentials.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/1jljfk2/whats_the_deal_with_pete_hegseth_am_i_the_only/
We have a 22yr old former landscaper handling terrorism prevention and threats.
I could've sworn POTUS said we obliterated Iran's nuclear program last summer?
We blew $16.5B after 12 days in our Iran escapade.
What could possibly go wrong?
EDIT - To answer your question (though not directed at me). Yes, unfortunately these people lost their lives due to the decisions of an incompetent administration.
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To enlist in the military and, not expect deployment to a war zone is a fools errand.
Terrible news. Heart goes out to these servicemen’s families and friends 💔 RIP
Dr. Kenny, is the war in Iran the divine intervention you mentioned in the recession thread?
One complainant, identified as a noncommissioned officer (NCO) in a unit that could be deployed “at any moment to join” operations against Iran, told MRFF in a complaint viewed by the Guardian that their commander had “urged us to tell our troops that this was ‘all part of God’s divine plan’ and he specifically referenced numerous citations out of the Book of Revelation referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ”.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/03/us-israel-iran-war-christian-rhetoric
This absolutely tracks with Hegseth's Christian Nationalist Crusade aspirations...
Not sure Donny (who has said multiple times he doesn't think he'll get into heaven) is the special one privy to God's divine plan.
EDIT - Honestly (and I know it sounds nutty professor) I think what we're experiencing is a universal level of heightened awareness and consciousness. It won't happen overnight but the writing is on the wall. The old guard is grasping at straws to maintain power and control in an old and crumbling system, but the ship is sinking. Jesus was just ahead of his time, way more conscious than those around him.
We use things like religion to try and explain shit we didn't have the language to explain yet, or have the understanding of yet.
So I guess I kind of agree we are all dealing with some kind of divine intervention. I just don't think it's gonna have the fireworks or project blue beam vibes that the system is guiding us towards. Let's just hope the powers that be don't kill us all in current form first...The incompetent folks running the show currently will be left in the dust, and they have FOMO.
If you read about the levels of consciousness, the more 'conscious' you become, the less self serving you become.
It's gonna come from within the individual. Focus on what you can control and be a good person.
Basically the world at present is ran by a group of 'hurt inner children' who are developmentally lacking in this regard and it shows.
Quite the tangent, my apologies there.
I enjoy popping in here and having these exchanges. Dipping out for a while, have a good one fellas!
You gotta be fuckin' kidding me ???
No doubt another new york times talking point.
Not to mention the immediate catastrophic results they very day they had nuclear weapons capabilities.
They would have lobbed everything they had towards Israel, with no remorse over the world wide fallout.
But you're wasting your time talking to the "same people" endlessly regurgitating their TDS bullshit in every thread.
Who cares what Israel and Iran do to eachother? They’re both terrorists regime with war criminals as leaders.
Just as it’s a waste of time conversing with people who have never been there, nor done that. The comparisons to Afghanistan and Benghazi are essentially stating that, yes, this Iranian campaign is also a failed venture. The fallout is just now rearing its head, with no endgame in sight. But go ahead and revel at Trump’s majesty from the comfort of your laptop. Thoughts & prayers…
Sometimes you have some reasonable thoughts on things.
This is not one of those times.
Manny,
That’s a lot of Clancy-style detail, but it still doesn’t address the actual question.
When 13 Americans died in Afghanistan, the standard used was simple. The president made the decision, so the president owns the deaths. You have basically implied that Biden was practically guilty of murder of the 13 killed during the withdrawal from Afghanistan
If that’s the rule, then the same logic would apply here. Trump made the decision that led to this conflict.
If that isn’t the rule anymore, then it seems like the standard has changed depending on who the president is.
I will give Trump credit for laying the Afghan evacuation groundwork. And while it did not go entirely to plan, it could have been much worse. The US was not going to recover all military items, and like almost every campaign, stuff was left in-country. There was simply no perfectly clean way to get out of there.
And Chance is correct: military service is inherently risky. Vastly more personnel have died in training accidents than combat over the past decade. The KC-135 midair likely resulted from operating in tight airspace, and is yet another example of the dangerous jobs those men and women face daily.
I do not oppose the strategic use of military force. However, the Iranian deployment doesn’t appear to have a strategy other than brute force. Whether or not the Iranians were close to having a nuclear arsenal is TBD, but there are options other than what is being done.
I'm beginning to think that we would have been better off if Iran was left alone and let to build its Nukes.
This USA & Isreal against Iran war has fucked our economy here and next month we will be paying unheard of fuel prices which is the nail in the coffin for most of us with the exception of the wealthy.
I pray for a fucking nuclear war! I'm tired of this life's fucking struggle. Better to be dead than to struggle like this.
May those serviceman who gave their lives rest in Peace. They are in a better place.
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Living near Camp Pendleton we unfortunately hear news of soldiers dying in training accidents much too often. Out of curiosity I looked up how many died in the past year on bases and it was 98 lives lost in 2025. I have family n the military and they all know it’s a very risky life to be on any military base throughout the world or at home. They all made that choice and not one of them regrets their decision. Sorry t hear we’ve lost 13 brave soldiers n the conflict, hopefully it ends soon.
This is a great watch on this subject, only 20 something minutes.
https://youtu.be/tVNXPMCPnOA?si=k2FqEin9DD8yCM0o
EDIT - Interview with arguably one of the most well informed experts on this very issue.
No, the Divine Intervention I’m referring to is an end of this worldly system ruled by man and replaced with the Heavenly Government that rules over the earth in peace. Daniel 2:44 , Jeremiah10:23, Psalm 37:9 -11, 2Peter 3:13, Revelation 21:3-5 These are just a few, there are many more. This is the light I see at the end of the tunnel, I was also referring to in my post to Soggy.
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"Will people declare Trump personally responsible for these casualties in this war of choice the way that they blamed Biden for the 13 Service members killed in the pullout from Afghanistan?"
Couldn't find the quote button on this post.
Anyway, the people that blamed Biden for that fiasco are expecting me be to believe that he was in the command tent issuing explicit orders to the field commanders on exactly how to carry this out. And at the same time they insisted that he was a mental vegetable and unable to wipe the oatmeal off his chin. OK. You are wasting your time expecting any kind of logic from these people. " You cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into." A quote by Swift I believe.
This where I used to say something to the effect of, low information people like to believe things like the president runs the economy, so if anything bad happens, it's his fault . Well, now, I can't say that anymore because issuing idiotic blanket tariffs did exactly that. "Yeah but look how much money the government is raking in." That's your money they are raking in and you are cheering the act of paying more in taxes so the government can waste it on shit like this war.
Higher gas prices suck for sure, but it’s far from the last nail in the coffin, or a reason to wish / pray for a nuclear war, we’ll all get through this.
I’m just highlighting what MAGA was thinking when it came to international conflicts leading up to the election last year. They didn’t think we should support Ukraine and stay out of international conflicts now they can’t suck it down fast enough.
Now we are Israel’s lap dog. Giving them the belly.
Fuck ya hail satan.
Depends on who we are referring to as “we”, doesn’t it?
Grow up! SMH
My brother was i the air force for 20 years, only went overseas one time. It was early on when North Korea was suspected of having nukes. He never was able to tell us what he was doing. He was sent to South Korea and he gave away everything he owned at the time and we had a going away party. He was expecting to be there longer, maybe never come back home. He was there a year and came back early and shortly after his return there were statements put out that North Korea did not have any nukes at that time. He has never told me what he did while over there except for his off duty activities.
Had my brother been killed or taken prisoner , I would hope that whoever was the current president at the time would speak of his death or capture with respect. And show that they value each and every life that is given for their goals to be met. The way Trump has been causally talking about the deaths of soldier's is wrong. Yes everybody knows that it can happen, but I expect the commander in chief to honor the people who give their lives for the mission. Not just casually say , there will be deaths and make it sound like its no big deal when somebody gives their life up while working towards whatever the end goal is. Every president I can remember owned each and every death and never publicly said its just a cost of doing business in the way Trump has with these recent losses.
I may be nitpicking here, but I feel like it matters . I feel like any loss of life in a war or whatever they want to call it. Should be owned by the president and spoken about with respect. In the past I've thought the ceremonies were a little bit much. But now I understand why they do it. It helps show everybody that is serving that the leaders value Your lives and they are not going to make choices that cost lives lightly . When You speak of the loss of life in the way Trump has, You erode that respect that has been a part of military service. Even if its just an illusion, showing that You value the lives of the military members who are willing to give them up is a part of what makes them willing to have trust in the operations .
My brother always trusted that his commanding officers were going into every operation with the goal of everybody coming back. When You start publicly saying that its just a part of war when people die. You undermine that confidence that Your commanding officer is not just sending You in to die as a part of the bigger plan. I don't think that it will happen overnight, but if they keep it up , it could hurt the trust that is needed.
You guys who downvote me...Its deserved. Forgive my negativity.
Yes, we'd be so much better off with this bumbling, stumbling idiot. 😂
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It’s actually shocking to look back on all of that and that something wasn’t done to remove him from office.
Hey Boom we all know you’re a good guy. Most everyone struggles at some point and it’s easy to say things on the internet to vent, better here than against our loved ones. I wish you nothing but the best in life and I really hope things improve soon. Wish I could help you Boom
The crazy part is because of TDS people would have still voted him in or the kacklin Kamala.
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