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I am just offering a different perspective to consider based on what is shown in the video. This is 1 second snippet in a video that tailors towards the Lawrences/Honda. If you look at other videos and consider the speeds these guys are going, you will see a different perspective.
For example, this video leaves out that the flagger in the sweeper to the right is waving a yellow when Hunter is going by, the flagger at the double before the finish line jump is waving when hunter goes by, and the red lights were on (Hunter confirmed the lights in a podcast). None of these were happening when Tomac, Roczen, and Webb were coming by.
There are other angles in many videos and even posts in this forum showing the red cross official folded his flag briefly after Hunter went by and then tried to display it again, but completely botched it up.
The perspective you see in this video is a fully displayed flag...however what you do not see is that fully displayed flag was not fully visible until Tomac landed on the downside of that double (which is what is shown in the video). Now, I am not professional, but I would imagine locking it up at that speed with three riders right on your tail, going up a huge double face, may not end well. In the end, those three riders were never given the opportunity to shut it down safely, and they shouldn't be penalized because of AMA's incompetence to keep the flags out/lights on or keep the flags down/lights off. So in short, I understand why there was no penalty here even though others may not.
Face it dude, You're hopelessly off the rails and everyone here sees that. For your own good...stop!
One thing that really bothers me about the media and pundits is that no one has called a spade a spade. No one has openly admitted that this entire situation stems from incompetence at the highest level of the AMA specifically under Mike Pelletier. And the reason for that silence seems obvious: personal relationships.
If we look at MotoGP as a comparison, Freddie Spencer served for years as the FIM race director and faced heavy criticism from riders and the media when his decisions were questionable. And that criticism was warranted. It was public, direct, and part of holding leadership accountable. It resulted in Spencer getting to boot and Simon Crafar replaced him in 2025.
In our sport, we don’t see that same level of scrutiny. Instead, the narrative is sympathetic. “AMA is in a tough spot,” or “I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes this Monday.” But accountability isn’t about comfort. Leadership positions come with responsibility, and when mistakes are made at the top, they should be acknowledged and addressed openly.
Until we’re willing to have that honest conversation, nothing will change.
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Watch the Weege show from yesterday
Honest question I don't know the answer too....Why does Feld or MXSports even need the AMA at this point? Couldn't they just tell them to pound sand and do their own thing? Or is there a reason/significant benefit to having the ama involved in pro racing?
Seems like its always the AMA that screws everything up...so I guess the heart of my question is, why not just get rid of them?
Agree 100%. And one name that comes to me when you write this even though he isn’t directly involved or is even relevant in supercross is Davey Coombs. I used to like him and racer x but the last few years that’s swung for me. His take in racerhead over the Brian Moreau accident just after it happened told me it’s about money and not the racers or the series.
He danced around it. He also had Mike Pelletier on record and didn’t push him.
No he didn’t? He said it wasn’t in the rules, it should be in the rules. What do you want him to do, set a rulebook on fire and glue his hands to the AMA trailer?
I don’t understand why he didn’t evaluate how they can impose it when it’s not in rulebook and seemingly just make it up on the fly? Or why earlier riders been penalized in same situations (hammaker last year for example).
For people who maybe don't want to watch the link..... in what world is this a "never mind" situation?
Lars and the team have every right to be upset and feel like the AMA is taking the piss....
Flag Out - Right corner of picture. No yellows flags, no lights. This is a still shot after Hunter rolling, yellow flags stop waving, and lights turn off.
Official folds/grabs flag with opposite hand, flag no longer fully displayed....no lights, no yellows.
Official starts to drop flag again.
Flag fully displayed again.
Not 100% sure why 1 still shot or 1 moment in a video is being used to argue the 450 class, rather than look at the entire situation as a whole. As much as people dislike the AMA at the moment, they got this one right.
250s, not so much.
Again? First time you have addressed me bud.
You're going to preach to me about reading comprehension? OK pal... Believe me there is no issue in ANYONE understanding what you are saying. They are saying that what you said is WRONG, your thought process is WRONG, your assumptions are WRONG, and YOUR ability to comprehend anything anyone else is saying is WRONG.
You never said it was a guess you moron. You spewed it as fact. Show me where you said you where guessing? And then give me something other than your idiotic thoughts to look at as far as what riders or AMA said to support your ignorant argument. If you can't do that, then please stand up and let everyone know you are wrong and an ignorant piece of shit.
I took someone else's word that there was a transcript and that it said nothing about lead in lights. I guess that's my mistake. What do you think I thought was a transcript? and what the fuck are you looking at that you say the AMA must be teleporting about? You don't make any sense when you babble. I found one document (Electronic riders briefing) that says that all riders must attend the riders meeting (which hasn't happened yet for Daytona BTW). I assume this is what will be covered in the riders meeting, no? If there is indeed transcripts of the riders meeting, I would assume it has the exact words used as that is the definition of transcribing something...
And here is the electronic riders briefing from Arlington regarding the white red cross flag OR the red flashing: Please take the cock out of your mouth and focus - Note that there is nothing about special lights/ flags - or anything else you seem to know existed.
"White Flag with Red Cross or Red Flashing Light:
This flag or a red flashing light may be displayed at the beginning of a triple jump or a series of jumps.
Takes precedence over all other flags that may be displayed.
No passing is allowed until clear of the incident.
The riders must do all of the obstacles individually, I.E. NO double, triple, step on/off etc. until clear of the incident.
Riders must exercise extreme caution and not race or accelerate in an unsafe manner until they are clear of the incident.
When used on a triple jump, the area of concern is at a minimum, the whole obstacle, I.E. if a rider is down on the face of the triple or after the first or second jump, you must not jump any section of the triple.
This includes the sighting or cool down laps."
Use your apparent ungodly reading comprehension to show me where it was said that the rules for Arlington are in complete contradiction to the above electronic riders briefing AND the rulebook.
How did you make it this far in life? How old are you BTW? Just wanna make sure I'm not getting into it with a 8 yr old. If you are over the age of 12 then that means you are a complete useless piece of skin and incredibly, incredibly dumb.
Kick rocks,
How late the flag was out and how tough it is to see… is actually irrelevant. (Because the playing field is level, and everyone has the same issue).
All that matters is consistent application of the existing rules. In any sport.
That’s why people are upset and fan trust in the competition itself has been broken.
Inconsistent application of the rules means that the validity of competition is eroded. Why bother watching a rigged game?
I guess you missed, the "i guess" part in my post 😄🍿
Nothing to see here, carry on brother 🤷👋😄
/ "My guess is"
Don't forget this is a response to the riders and teams complaining about that certain flags is hard to see. It's a result after Jett and Honda complained in 2024.
You can't have it both way.
Either remove the early warning, or apply it but then you also have to let it go when the system fails.
That is an interesting take. So with your concept, if the flag comes out when a rider is at the base of a take off they should be penalized. Or I guess slam on the breaks and hope for the best? There is a reason why the AMA is able to make judgement calls, and this specifically is one of them.
Your second-to-last photo shows the flag AND Tomac in a position to roll off the trottle for the takeoff. I don't get your point.
Also, on one hand, they say Jo should have ignored the lead in Red lights becasue there wasn't a flag, and on the other, Tomac, etc. can be let off becasue there was no lead in lights, but there was a flag. It makes no sense. You can't argue one, and then again the opposite for the other.
Furthermore, if there WAS a lead in red light, SHOULDN'T there be a reasonable expectation that there would be a flag!
It's like kids in the school playground teasing someone - "Haha, tricked ya and you fell for it!!!"
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Thanks for putting this together. I fully agree with the AMA cutting the 450 guys a break here.
The 250 one is extremely frustrating, and I frankly will not believe that the lead in light thing ever existed before last Saturday until I see hard evidence. Something so weird about it.
The flag was partially visible, big difference then being fully displayed prior to the first double, like Hunter had.
You’re just going to ignore how they were all over jumping the first double, pretty much landing right on the face of the finish line take off.
I’ll grab my popcorn when I watch you roll off the throttle.
Disagree, BUT saying that is the case, what is Ken and Webb's excuse then?
Exactly yes.
Roll off or cop the AMA punishment. Those are the two options.
Anything else highlights the rules aren’t fit for purpose and should be changed.
If the authority is saying “It’s too hard to apply consistently” then that individual isnt fit for a role that demands accountability and can’t be trusted.
I just recommend you to look at the last photo. Take in consideration of no notice, the flagger removed the flag and tried to put it back out, and Ken is mid air probably over jumping the landing...with all that, ask your self this. Is it reasonable to expect a rider to shut it down in that moment.
For Webb.
Most of the pundits with podcasts are official employees of Feld/AMA/NBC. And then "independent" media guys are simply protecting their seat at the table. Their "credibility" comes from access to these same pundits.
What other sport is there where all the major podcasters are official current active employees of the very same sport they're reviewing? It's basically a conflict of interest.
You're never going to get a honest raw opinion from these guys. Everything starts or finishes with "look I like the AMA. They're great guys" followed by soft criticism.
Yea, but that said authority has discretion, so your point is mute. And in this instance their discretion is correct, sorry.
Even if your supposition regarding discretion is correct, at what point does it become unequal or preferential enforcement? That's one of the questions Honda will be asking...
That's a fair question. We have seen similar situations happen when someone runs off the track and AMA is determining if they maintained speed or accelerated. Unfortunately our perspective of acceleration and theirs may not always align...that's the reality.
The interview with Weege, JT and Mike was scripted and specifically designed so AMA could defend itself. "It's not in the rule book but we talked about it". Damage control.
Well that's the way I see saw it.
Funny watching a group of armchair experts trip over themselves trying to interpret how the rules work and when they apply. Read one sentence and suddenly you are Vinny Gambini.
Every rider I have heard asked about it had no idea about this lead in light concept. Has anyone heard a rider say he was aware of it?
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