Kailub Russell thieves busted!?

PTshox wrote:

MPJC, Have you ever had your house or car broken into and had items taken from you?And what do you think it just punishment for these...

MPJC, Have you ever had your house or car broken into and had items taken from you?

And what do you think it just punishment for these two in this case, who have been arrested before for similar crimes? Clearly the punishment for the earlier crimes did nothing to scare them from doing it again.. and again.. and again. Keep in mind what they did in this case.. went into a mans home, took a bunch of stuff...etc. So what should be done for punishment to prevent this behavior. 

 

MPJC wrote:

We once had about $20K of canola stolen from a bin on our land once when my dad and I were still farming. I’ll admit that...

We once had about $20K of canola stolen from a bin on our land once when my dad and I were still farming. I’ll admit that in my anger I’d have liked to have seen the thieves strung up by the balls. But that’s not the best time to judge. Upon sober reflection, that’s not the kind of person I want to be. I’d just like the value of our stuff back and put the thieves away so they don’t do it again and so other would be thieves know that if they get caught they will lose their freedom for a long time. I don’t need them to suffer for the sake of my loss - their pain wouldn’t help me. If it did, I’d be concerned. And that’s my point - not so much about punishment and more about our own moral psychology. Do you really want to be the kind of person who wants to see and enjoy things like torture and mutilation? That’s what I’m reacting to: Some of what’s posted here is sadism dressed up as justice. I don’t have to know precisely how justice should look to know that sadism isn’t justice, and that if you find yourself enjoying thoughts of sadistic punishment, that’s probably not something to be proud of. 

truck wrote:

It's not about me taking joy in it, it's a recognition that some people are animals who can only be deterred by the threat of pain...

It's not about me taking joy in it, it's a recognition that some people are animals who can only be deterred by the threat of pain. It takes some small level of intelligence than many of the people committing these crimes do not have for the threat of confinement to be a deterrent. Everyone understands pain. If I calmly put one of my dogs in it's crate the other one doesn't care. If I smack one of my dogs they both run away scared. 

MPJC wrote:

We once had about $20K of canola stolen from a bin on our land once when my dad and I were still farming. I’ll admit that...

We once had about $20K of canola stolen from a bin on our land once when my dad and I were still farming. I’ll admit that in my anger I’d have liked to have seen the thieves strung up by the balls. But that’s not the best time to judge. Upon sober reflection, that’s not the kind of person I want to be. I’d just like the value of our stuff back and put the thieves away so they don’t do it again and so other would be thieves know that if they get caught they will lose their freedom for a long time. I don’t need them to suffer for the sake of my loss - their pain wouldn’t help me. If it did, I’d be concerned. And that’s my point - not so much about punishment and more about our own moral psychology. Do you really want to be the kind of person who wants to see and enjoy things like torture and mutilation? That’s what I’m reacting to: Some of what’s posted here is sadism dressed up as justice. I don’t have to know precisely how justice should look to know that sadism isn’t justice, and that if you find yourself enjoying thoughts of sadistic punishment, that’s probably not something to be proud of. 

PTshox wrote:

MPJC - there are people that are evil and they will hurt you. I m Glad Kailub didn't wake up and go into the garage while they...

MPJC - there are people that are evil and they will hurt you. 

I m Glad Kailub didn't wake up and go into the garage while they were there. 

 

Australia182 wrote:

The south Sudanese aggravated burglary with machetes to people in cars, retired elderly in there homes. Call me what you want.. it is what it is...

The south Sudanese aggravated burglary with machetes to people in cars, retired elderly in there homes. Call me what you want.. it is what it is. They should never been let in to Aus. 

Jeremy Macduff wrote:

Australia would certainly have been far better off had they not imported 160,000 piece of shit criminal Brits and Irish back in the 1800s.160,000 imported stupid...

Australia would certainly have been far better off had they not imported 160,000 piece of shit criminal Brits and Irish back in the 1800s.

160,000 imported stupid poor criminal white people turned into an entire continent of stupid poor white people.

The only thing dumber than a white Australian is their ancestors.

CASH476 wrote:

OK Champ 🙄 You need a better insult than that if you want a proper reaction. Calling us poor & stupid just aint gonna get it done...

OK Champ 🙄 You need a better insult than that if you want a proper reaction. 

Calling us poor & stupid just aint gonna get it done 😉

MPJC wrote:

We once had about $20K of canola stolen from a bin on our land once when my dad and I were still farming. I’ll admit that...

We once had about $20K of canola stolen from a bin on our land once when my dad and I were still farming. I’ll admit that in my anger I’d have liked to have seen the thieves strung up by the balls. But that’s not the best time to judge. Upon sober reflection, that’s not the kind of person I want to be. I’d just like the value of our stuff back and put the thieves away so they don’t do it again and so other would be thieves know that if they get caught they will lose their freedom for a long time. I don’t need them to suffer for the sake of my loss - their pain wouldn’t help me. If it did, I’d be concerned. And that’s my point - not so much about punishment and more about our own moral psychology. Do you really want to be the kind of person who wants to see and enjoy things like torture and mutilation? That’s what I’m reacting to: Some of what’s posted here is sadism dressed up as justice. I don’t have to know precisely how justice should look to know that sadism isn’t justice, and that if you find yourself enjoying thoughts of sadistic punishment, that’s probably not something to be proud of. 

truck wrote:

It's not about me taking joy in it, it's a recognition that some people are animals who can only be deterred by the threat of pain...

It's not about me taking joy in it, it's a recognition that some people are animals who can only be deterred by the threat of pain. It takes some small level of intelligence than many of the people committing these crimes do not have for the threat of confinement to be a deterrent. Everyone understands pain. If I calmly put one of my dogs in it's crate the other one doesn't care. If I smack one of my dogs they both run away scared. 

MPJC wrote:

I get that. A person with fetal alcohol syndrome, for example, isn’t going to have the ability to weigh present reward against future consequences. A buddy...

I get that. A person with fetal alcohol syndrome, for example, isn’t going to have the ability to weigh present reward against future consequences. A buddy of mine works with young offenders and he sees a lot of that from isolated northern Saskatchewan communities. He jokes about how they only understand pleasure and pain, and when he’s around, there’s no pleasure. But if they are that incapable of contemplating future consequences and pain is a future consequence then how does the prospect of pain serve as a deterrent? It would have to be immediate, which judicial action is not. 

You mention dogs: Painful punishment creates an anxious, fearful, dangerous dog and doesn’t work well for training. I’m not sure what lesson to draw humans but it’s not making the point that painful punishment is an effective tool for shaping behaviour. 

I suspect that severity of punishment has diminishing returns as far as deterrence goes. The Romans tortured seditionists to death in the worst way possible and they seemed to always have more seditionists to crucify. But suppose it was effective. Does that, in itself, settle the question of whether it’s morally justified? This is a meta-ethical question. If humans are intrinsically valuable there may be things we ought not do to them regardless of how instrumentally valuable those things may be. 
 

truck wrote:

It's not about me taking joy in it, it's a recognition that some people are animals who can only be deterred by the threat of pain...

It's not about me taking joy in it, it's a recognition that some people are animals who can only be deterred by the threat of pain. It takes some small level of intelligence than many of the people committing these crimes do not have for the threat of confinement to be a deterrent. Everyone understands pain. If I calmly put one of my dogs in it's crate the other one doesn't care. If I smack one of my dogs they both run away scared. 

MPJC wrote:

I get that. A person with fetal alcohol syndrome, for example, isn’t going to have the ability to weigh present reward against future consequences. A buddy...

I get that. A person with fetal alcohol syndrome, for example, isn’t going to have the ability to weigh present reward against future consequences. A buddy of mine works with young offenders and he sees a lot of that from isolated northern Saskatchewan communities. He jokes about how they only understand pleasure and pain, and when he’s around, there’s no pleasure. But if they are that incapable of contemplating future consequences and pain is a future consequence then how does the prospect of pain serve as a deterrent? It would have to be immediate, which judicial action is not. 

You mention dogs: Painful punishment creates an anxious, fearful, dangerous dog and doesn’t work well for training. I’m not sure what lesson to draw humans but it’s not making the point that painful punishment is an effective tool for shaping behaviour. 

I suspect that severity of punishment has diminishing returns as far as deterrence goes. The Romans tortured seditionists to death in the worst way possible and they seemed to always have more seditionists to crucify. But suppose it was effective. Does that, in itself, settle the question of whether it’s morally justified? This is a meta-ethical question. If humans are intrinsically valuable there may be things we ought not do to them regardless of how instrumentally valuable those things may be. 
 

truck wrote:

There are definitely limits to deterrence, but I bet those who can't be deterred are the same ones that can't be rehabilitated, so if a punishment...

There are definitely limits to deterrence, but I bet those who can't be deterred are the same ones that can't be rehabilitated, so if a punishment that most people would find to be a deterrent doesn't prevent someone from planning and committing a crime like this in the first place, I'm OK with them being locked up until they're too old and frail to commit the same crime again. I totally reject that a polite society needs to accept repeat offenders. 

The real problem we have right now is we're not even really trying to deter these crimes. A very reasonable and smart person might conclude that probation and a fine is worth the risk for a chance at a big score. If you happen to live in a community where there's no shame in having a criminal record it becomes even easier. Criminal justice people love to say that severity of punishment isn't a deterrent, but swift and certain punishment can be... well we suck at all of it so not surprising we get so many repeat offenders.

I'm an animal lover and get the dog training thing, but I couldn't find a way to positively reinforce not stealing food off the counter, and they get to run free outside because they don't love the buzz the invisible fence gives them. 

KR557 wrote:

Most fucked up part, my local Yadkin county sheriff is trying to hang his hat on solving this to get re-elected. Dude never got out of...

Most fucked up part, my local Yadkin county sheriff is trying to hang his hat on solving this to get re-elected. Dude never got out of his cruiser to introduce himself to me day of the robbery. I had this thing solved within 2 weeks. 

I took this video nine days after my home was robbed — November 16th.

Let me back up.

On November 7th, my wife woke me up in a panic. Seventeen of my dirt bikes — mine and my children’s — were gone. Vanished from our home. We immediately called 911, and the Yadkin County Sheriff's Office responded promptly. A lengthy and detailed investigation was supposedly set in motion.

Within hours of posting about the theft, I was flooded with messages from people who had experienced similar dirt bike thefts. Every road led to Raleigh. Within 36 hours, I had names, addresses, and photos of individuals on my son’s dirt bike — stripped of its graphics.

I met with a detective and the Sheriff from Yadkin County, along with an agent from the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation. Instead of feeling like I was helping move the case forward, I felt like I was the one being interrogated. I left that room frustrated and in disbelief. So frustrated, in fact, that I told the lead detective to be quiet — that I would go get the evidence myself.

And that’s exactly what I did.

With the help of several resources — and yes, fueled by my obsessive personality — I headed to Raleigh. On the way, I spoke with the SBI agent assigned to the case and made them aware of my plan: to gather evidence and prove where my property was. I was told that attempting to go to the address would be “problematic” and that I’d be in more trouble than the people who stole my bikes.

That didn’t sit right with me.

Eventually, I connected with the Raleigh Police Department Auto Theft Unit — and they became the turning point. The only group that actually made a dent in this case.

I brought them everything I had. I hired a private investigator to work alongside me in Raleigh — and I’m glad I did. We spent four straight days conducting surveillance. During that time, we captured the video you’re watching now. We were sitting on a home that we knew had at least two of my motorcycles inside.

Once I had undeniable evidence — video proof of them handling my property — I assumed law enforcement would move in and help recover it. I called immediately. Sent the footage. Then I waited.

Forty-five minutes later, I got a call back:
“We’re not sending anyone. It’s part of a bigger investigation. We have the opportunity to hit multiple locations at once and maybe recover 50 bikes instead of just two.”

I went home defeated. So did my PI. I had solved my own case and handed them proof. I was so frustrated I wanted to drive my rental car straight through the garage door just to force a response.

Five days later, the Auto Theft Unit executed search warrants at several of the addresses I had already identified. They recovered two of my bikes.

Weeks later, another one turned up — dumped in the woods off Poole Road in Raleigh. A woman walking her dogs found it torn apart and hidden in the trees. Her son reached out to me on Instagram. I contacted the Auto Theft Unit, and they retrieved it for impound.

About a week later, a detective from Yadkin County called me as if he had just broken major news — that they had “found” one of my bikes.

Fast forward to January.

My wife and I were searching for a new Cobra CX50 Jr for our daughter. She happened to check Facebook Marketplace — and there it was. My son Colyn’s bike listed for sale under “Big Al’s Trap Catering.” Location? Raleigh.

With help from several people, I coordinated a meet while I was in Florida. The Raleigh Auto Theft Unit set it up. When the seller showed up, they arrested him on the spot.

A week later, they had enough evidence to go after the individuals responsible — not just for my theft, but for a long list of others across North Carolina.

Here’s the moral of the story:

Don’t let one loud, angry neighbor convince you that everything was handled properly from day one. The truth is, the breakthrough came from persistence, outside help, and a department willing to act.

Some did their job.

Some didn’t.

But I wasn’t going to sit back and let 17 bikes — and my kids’ memories — disappear without a fight

KR557 wrote:

Most fucked up part, my local Yadkin county sheriff is trying to hang his hat on solving this to get re-elected. Dude never got out of...

Most fucked up part, my local Yadkin county sheriff is trying to hang his hat on solving this to get re-elected. Dude never got out of his cruiser to introduce himself to me day of the robbery. I had this thing solved within 2 weeks. 

I took this video nine days after my home was robbed — November 16th.

Let me back up.

On November 7th, my wife woke me up in a panic. Seventeen of my dirt bikes — mine and my children’s — were gone. Vanished from our home. We immediately called 911, and the Yadkin County Sheriff's Office responded promptly. A lengthy and detailed investigation was supposedly set in motion.

Within hours of posting about the theft, I was flooded with messages from people who had experienced similar dirt bike thefts. Every road led to Raleigh. Within 36 hours, I had names, addresses, and photos of individuals on my son’s dirt bike — stripped of its graphics.

I met with a detective and the Sheriff from Yadkin County, along with an agent from the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation. Instead of feeling like I was helping move the case forward, I felt like I was the one being interrogated. I left that room frustrated and in disbelief. So frustrated, in fact, that I told the lead detective to be quiet — that I would go get the evidence myself.

And that’s exactly what I did.

With the help of several resources — and yes, fueled by my obsessive personality — I headed to Raleigh. On the way, I spoke with the SBI agent assigned to the case and made them aware of my plan: to gather evidence and prove where my property was. I was told that attempting to go to the address would be “problematic” and that I’d be in more trouble than the people who stole my bikes.

That didn’t sit right with me.

Eventually, I connected with the Raleigh Police Department Auto Theft Unit — and they became the turning point. The only group that actually made a dent in this case.

I brought them everything I had. I hired a private investigator to work alongside me in Raleigh — and I’m glad I did. We spent four straight days conducting surveillance. During that time, we captured the video you’re watching now. We were sitting on a home that we knew had at least two of my motorcycles inside.

Once I had undeniable evidence — video proof of them handling my property — I assumed law enforcement would move in and help recover it. I called immediately. Sent the footage. Then I waited.

Forty-five minutes later, I got a call back:
“We’re not sending anyone. It’s part of a bigger investigation. We have the opportunity to hit multiple locations at once and maybe recover 50 bikes instead of just two.”

I went home defeated. So did my PI. I had solved my own case and handed them proof. I was so frustrated I wanted to drive my rental car straight through the garage door just to force a response.

Five days later, the Auto Theft Unit executed search warrants at several of the addresses I had already identified. They recovered two of my bikes.

Weeks later, another one turned up — dumped in the woods off Poole Road in Raleigh. A woman walking her dogs found it torn apart and hidden in the trees. Her son reached out to me on Instagram. I contacted the Auto Theft Unit, and they retrieved it for impound.

About a week later, a detective from Yadkin County called me as if he had just broken major news — that they had “found” one of my bikes.

Fast forward to January.

My wife and I were searching for a new Cobra CX50 Jr for our daughter. She happened to check Facebook Marketplace — and there it was. My son Colyn’s bike listed for sale under “Big Al’s Trap Catering.” Location? Raleigh.

With help from several people, I coordinated a meet while I was in Florida. The Raleigh Auto Theft Unit set it up. When the seller showed up, they arrested him on the spot.

A week later, they had enough evidence to go after the individuals responsible — not just for my theft, but for a long list of others across North Carolina.

Here’s the moral of the story:

Don’t let one loud, angry neighbor convince you that everything was handled properly from day one. The truth is, the breakthrough came from persistence, outside help, and a department willing to act.

Some did their job.

Some didn’t.

But I wasn’t going to sit back and let 17 bikes — and my kids’ memories — disappear without a fight

KR557 wrote:

Most fucked up part, my local Yadkin county sheriff is trying to hang his hat on solving this to get re-elected. Dude never got out of...

Most fucked up part, my local Yadkin county sheriff is trying to hang his hat on solving this to get re-elected. Dude never got out of his cruiser to introduce himself to me day of the robbery. I had this thing solved within 2 weeks. 

I took this video nine days after my home was robbed — November 16th.

Let me back up.

On November 7th, my wife woke me up in a panic. Seventeen of my dirt bikes — mine and my children’s — were gone. Vanished from our home. We immediately called 911, and the Yadkin County Sheriff's Office responded promptly. A lengthy and detailed investigation was supposedly set in motion.

Within hours of posting about the theft, I was flooded with messages from people who had experienced similar dirt bike thefts. Every road led to Raleigh. Within 36 hours, I had names, addresses, and photos of individuals on my son’s dirt bike — stripped of its graphics.

I met with a detective and the Sheriff from Yadkin County, along with an agent from the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation. Instead of feeling like I was helping move the case forward, I felt like I was the one being interrogated. I left that room frustrated and in disbelief. So frustrated, in fact, that I told the lead detective to be quiet — that I would go get the evidence myself.

And that’s exactly what I did.

With the help of several resources — and yes, fueled by my obsessive personality — I headed to Raleigh. On the way, I spoke with the SBI agent assigned to the case and made them aware of my plan: to gather evidence and prove where my property was. I was told that attempting to go to the address would be “problematic” and that I’d be in more trouble than the people who stole my bikes.

That didn’t sit right with me.

Eventually, I connected with the Raleigh Police Department Auto Theft Unit — and they became the turning point. The only group that actually made a dent in this case.

I brought them everything I had. I hired a private investigator to work alongside me in Raleigh — and I’m glad I did. We spent four straight days conducting surveillance. During that time, we captured the video you’re watching now. We were sitting on a home that we knew had at least two of my motorcycles inside.

Once I had undeniable evidence — video proof of them handling my property — I assumed law enforcement would move in and help recover it. I called immediately. Sent the footage. Then I waited.

Forty-five minutes later, I got a call back:
“We’re not sending anyone. It’s part of a bigger investigation. We have the opportunity to hit multiple locations at once and maybe recover 50 bikes instead of just two.”

I went home defeated. So did my PI. I had solved my own case and handed them proof. I was so frustrated I wanted to drive my rental car straight through the garage door just to force a response.

Five days later, the Auto Theft Unit executed search warrants at several of the addresses I had already identified. They recovered two of my bikes.

Weeks later, another one turned up — dumped in the woods off Poole Road in Raleigh. A woman walking her dogs found it torn apart and hidden in the trees. Her son reached out to me on Instagram. I contacted the Auto Theft Unit, and they retrieved it for impound.

About a week later, a detective from Yadkin County called me as if he had just broken major news — that they had “found” one of my bikes.

Fast forward to January.

My wife and I were searching for a new Cobra CX50 Jr for our daughter. She happened to check Facebook Marketplace — and there it was. My son Colyn’s bike listed for sale under “Big Al’s Trap Catering.” Location? Raleigh.

With help from several people, I coordinated a meet while I was in Florida. The Raleigh Auto Theft Unit set it up. When the seller showed up, they arrested him on the spot.

A week later, they had enough evidence to go after the individuals responsible — not just for my theft, but for a long list of others across North Carolina.

Here’s the moral of the story:

Don’t let one loud, angry neighbor convince you that everything was handled properly from day one. The truth is, the breakthrough came from persistence, outside help, and a department willing to act.

Some did their job.

Some didn’t.

But I wasn’t going to sit back and let 17 bikes — and my kids’ memories — disappear without a fight

KR557 wrote:

Check my facebook page for video.

Check my facebook page for video.

ridinbeast932 wrote:

I'm not seeing anything. Is it only viewable to your FB friends?

Jeremy Macduff wrote:

Australia would certainly have been far better off had they not imported 160,000 piece of shit criminal Brits and Irish back in the 1800s.160,000 imported stupid...

Australia would certainly have been far better off had they not imported 160,000 piece of shit criminal Brits and Irish back in the 1800s.

160,000 imported stupid poor criminal white people turned into an entire continent of stupid poor white people.

The only thing dumber than a white Australian is their ancestors.

CASH476 wrote:

OK Champ 🙄 You need a better insult than that if you want a proper reaction. Calling us poor & stupid just aint gonna get it done...

OK Champ 🙄 You need a better insult than that if you want a proper reaction. 

Calling us poor & stupid just aint gonna get it done 😉

Village Idiot wrote:

Okay, howzabout if I call you rich, brilliant and handsome? Would that ruffle your feathers?

Or would it just get me asked out on a date? 

😄 👍

CASH476 wrote:

OK Champ 🙄 You need a better insult than that if you want a proper reaction. Calling us poor & stupid just aint gonna get it done...

OK Champ 🙄 You need a better insult than that if you want a proper reaction. 

Calling us poor & stupid just aint gonna get it done 😉

Village Idiot wrote:

Okay, howzabout if I call you rich, brilliant and handsome? Would that ruffle your feathers?

Or would it just get me asked out on a date? 

😄 👍

CASH476 wrote:

I'd be dubious, because that is obviously bullshit. I'd probably still ask about the date though 😆

MPJC wrote:

I get that. A person with fetal alcohol syndrome, for example, isn’t going to have the ability to weigh present reward against future consequences. A buddy...

I get that. A person with fetal alcohol syndrome, for example, isn’t going to have the ability to weigh present reward against future consequences. A buddy of mine works with young offenders and he sees a lot of that from isolated northern Saskatchewan communities. He jokes about how they only understand pleasure and pain, and when he’s around, there’s no pleasure. But if they are that incapable of contemplating future consequences and pain is a future consequence then how does the prospect of pain serve as a deterrent? It would have to be immediate, which judicial action is not. 

You mention dogs: Painful punishment creates an anxious, fearful, dangerous dog and doesn’t work well for training. I’m not sure what lesson to draw humans but it’s not making the point that painful punishment is an effective tool for shaping behaviour. 

I suspect that severity of punishment has diminishing returns as far as deterrence goes. The Romans tortured seditionists to death in the worst way possible and they seemed to always have more seditionists to crucify. But suppose it was effective. Does that, in itself, settle the question of whether it’s morally justified? This is a meta-ethical question. If humans are intrinsically valuable there may be things we ought not do to them regardless of how instrumentally valuable those things may be. 
 

truck wrote:

There are definitely limits to deterrence, but I bet those who can't be deterred are the same ones that can't be rehabilitated, so if a punishment...

There are definitely limits to deterrence, but I bet those who can't be deterred are the same ones that can't be rehabilitated, so if a punishment that most people would find to be a deterrent doesn't prevent someone from planning and committing a crime like this in the first place, I'm OK with them being locked up until they're too old and frail to commit the same crime again. I totally reject that a polite society needs to accept repeat offenders. 

The real problem we have right now is we're not even really trying to deter these crimes. A very reasonable and smart person might conclude that probation and a fine is worth the risk for a chance at a big score. If you happen to live in a community where there's no shame in having a criminal record it becomes even easier. Criminal justice people love to say that severity of punishment isn't a deterrent, but swift and certain punishment can be... well we suck at all of it so not surprising we get so many repeat offenders.

I'm an animal lover and get the dog training thing, but I couldn't find a way to positively reinforce not stealing food off the counter, and they get to run free outside because they don't love the buzz the invisible fence gives them. 

MPJC wrote:

That all sounds reasonable. The only thing I’m hesitant about is making sure swift and certain punishment is also reliably and accurately getting the right person.